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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-25 21:39:49
April 25 2019 21:39 GMT
#27761
Biden was bad at campaigning back in the day and always will be. And he is from that old school style of democrat that does dumb things like make jokes about West Virginia joining the the confederacy, but getting lost on the way there. He will do great things for the party.
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18822 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-25 22:00:45
April 25 2019 21:55 GMT
#27762
The reporting on it is spotty so far, but it appears that Biden will be kicking off his campaign with a fundraiser hosted by Comcast's top in-company lobbyist and a ticket cost of $2,800.00 a head. Some of the other, less mainstream sources detail additional non-political attendees, like a Blue Cross insurance lobbyist and a leader in anti-union policy implementation. In any case, Joe clearly ain't woke.

Source

On April 26 2019 04:42 IgnE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2019 03:23 farvacola wrote:
Seems to me that armchair psychology aimed at positing traits or tendencies with reference to wealth is a distracting, hollow endeavor. I don’t care whether the wealthy are predetermined towards negative personality traits, I just want them and the entities they benefit from to pay their fair share. There’s no need to go down quasi-Lacanian rabbit holes.


there doesn’t seem to be any specifically Lacanian theorizing being done here


I contemplated typing out a screed in which I discuss how GH's connection of wealth with particular kinds of personality disorders implicates a materialist take on how desire and its constituent drives are bound up in the animating vectors of active social and commercial transactions, but meh, I'll concede that I could have left that bit out of my original post.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15586 Posts
April 25 2019 22:02 GMT
#27763
On April 26 2019 06:55 farvacola wrote:
The reporting on it is spotty so far, but it appears that Biden will be kicking off his campaign with a fundraiser hosted by Comcast's top in-company lobbyist and a ticket cost of $2,800.00 a head. Some of the other, less mainstream sources detail additional non-political attendees, like a Blue Cross insurance lobbyist and a leader in anti-union policy implementation. In any case, Joe clearly ain't woke.

Source


And this is why he has no chance. All the "wait and see" people are like "mmmmm ok yeah no". I honestly wanted to give Biden a chance, even though I was insanely cynical and gave him basically 1% chance of running on a platform that redeems himself at least slightly. But this whole idea of trying to hide fundraising numbers while starting things off with some ridiculous Comcast lobbyist...he's absolutely deaf. Biden clearly has no idea the extent to which the party has shifted. Multiple people are running "no PAC" campaigns. By choosing to milk lobbyists as hard as he can, he has put a timer on his campaign. As time goes on and mud get slung more and more, he is at a disadvantage. His campaign does not have long-term viability. There is not a single thing about his campaign or fundraising strategy that gives his campaign additional life. He is starting off as "hey remember Obama?" and that's the best he'll ever be.

Part of me honestly thinks this is just a cash grab before retirement. To me, choosing to start things off with Comcast (of all companies, lmao) lobbyists is just insane. It is almost satire. It is hard to understate how bad of a start this is.
Kyadytim
Profile Joined March 2009
United States886 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-25 23:57:31
April 25 2019 22:39 GMT
#27764
On April 26 2019 06:55 farvacola wrote:
The reporting on it is spotty so far, but it appears that Biden will be kicking off his campaign with a fundraiser hosted by Comcast's top in-company lobbyist and a ticket cost of $2,800.00 a head. Some of the other, less mainstream sources detail additional non-political attendees, like a Blue Cross insurance lobbyist and a leader in anti-union policy implementation. In any case, Joe clearly ain't woke.

Source

I'd heard about the Comcast exec hosting it, but didn't hear about the other people.

BIDEN is an acronym for Business Interests Dominate Everything Now.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44139 Posts
April 26 2019 00:27 GMT
#27765
I really don't even like Biden's announcement video. To beat Trump, this election cannot be about "Don't vote for Trump because he's a bad guy and you're a bad person if you vote for him... so vote for me instead". It has to be about promoting liberal and progressive platforms that are supported by everyone, and it has to be about substance. This is not the way to announce a presidential run, and although Biden is currently polling high because of his familiarity and centrism, I'm really worried about the Democrats' chances for a victory against Trump if Biden wins the primary.
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23116 Posts
April 26 2019 00:32 GMT
#27766
On April 26 2019 09:27 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I really don't even like Biden's announcement video. To beat Trump, this election cannot be about "Don't vote for Trump because he's a bad guy and you're a bad person if you vote for him... so vote for me instead". It has to be about promoting liberal and progressive platforms that are supported by everyone, and it has to be about substance. This is not the way to announce a presidential run, and although Biden is currently polling high because of his familiarity and centrism, I'm really worried about the Democrats' chances for a victory against Trump if Biden wins the primary.


He didn't even make it through the news cycle before they moved on to Buttigieg so I don't think it's going to take long for his numbers to tank.
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland24945 Posts
April 26 2019 00:36 GMT
#27767
How does a professional politician start a campaign off so out of sync with current trends in opinion?
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
April 26 2019 00:44 GMT
#27768
Biden's making enough political missteps this early that I don't think he'll have the chance to build up a good campaign for another few weeks. He's famously centrist and constantly apologizing for past unwoke positions. So campaign on centrism and make a few progressive overtures to play to his strengths.
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
April 26 2019 00:46 GMT
#27769
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Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4720 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-26 01:00:13
April 26 2019 00:52 GMT
#27770
On April 26 2019 09:27 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I really don't even like Biden's announcement video. To beat Trump, this election cannot be about "Don't vote for Trump because he's a bad guy and you're a bad person if you vote for him... so vote for me instead". It has to be about promoting liberal and progressive platforms that are supported by everyone, and it has to be about substance. This is not the way to announce a presidential run, and although Biden is currently polling high because of his familiarity and centrism, I'm really worried about the Democrats' chances for a victory against Trump if Biden wins the primary.


Yes, it seems brave to try the Hillary strategy when you are supposed to the man to win back the white working class. Maybe this is just primary fodder. Stay in the lead, win, then try and talk all folksy to the people in rural Pennsylvania. Recall he is the most popular candidate with black voters by a mile. That might also have something to do with it.

I instead suspect he will really be running on "I'm a return to the comfortable Obama presidency" platform in the primary.
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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-26 01:53:32
April 26 2019 01:46 GMT
#27771
Biden actually has what appears to be a credible corruption case against him, at least if you believe the news reports. I mean, he actually said it with his own words, and really, this should be game set match against him. He engaged in corruption, you can pretty much infer it from what you read.

Two years after leaving office, Joe Biden couldn’t resist the temptation last year to brag to an audience of foreign policy specialists about the time as vice president that he strong-armed Ukraine into firing its top prosecutor.

In his own words, with video cameras rolling, Biden described how he threatened Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko in March 2016 that the Obama administration would pull $1 billion in U.S. loan guarantees, sending the former Soviet republic toward insolvency, if it didn’t immediately fire Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin.


thehill.com

Biden admitted to the act of forcing Ukraine to fire its prosecutor. At the time this happened, Biden's son was on the board of a company being investigated by the Ukraine prosecutor's office. Here is what the NYT reported back in 2015:

When Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. traveled to Kiev , Ukraine, on Sunday for a series of meetings with the country’s leaders, one of the issues on his agenda was to encourage a more aggressive fight against Ukraine’s rampant corruption and stronger efforts to rein in the power of its oligarchs.

But the credibility of the vice president’s anticorruption message may have been undermined by the association of his son, Hunter Biden, with one of Ukraine’s largest natural gas companies, Burisma Holdings, and with its owner, Mykola Zlochevsky, who was Ukraine’s ecology minister under former President Viktor F. Yanukovych before he was forced into exile.

Hunter Biden, 45, a former Washington lobbyist, joined the Burisma board in April 2014. That month, as part of an investigation into money laundering, British officials froze London bank accounts containing $23 million that allegedly belonged to Mr. Zlochevsky.

Britain’s Serious Fraud Office, an independent government agency, specifically forbade Mr. Zlochevksy, as well as Burisma Holdings, the company’s chief legal officer and another company owned by Mr. Zlochevsky, to have any access to the accounts.

But after Ukrainian prosecutors refused to provide documents needed in the investigation, a British court in January ordered the Serious Fraud Office to unfreeze the assets. The refusal by the Ukrainian prosecutor general’s office to cooperate was the target of a stinging attack by the American ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey R. Pyatt, who called out Burisma’s owner by name in a speech in September.


Notice the bolded report. John Solomon of The Hill now reports, with apparently credible, named sources, that the Obama administration placed not-so-subtle pressure on Ukraine, in late 2015 and early 2016, to (1) drop the investigation of Burisma and let the FBI handle it, and (2) investigate alleged illegal payments made to Paul Manafort by Ukrainian oligarchs. That 2nd part raises some interesting questions (interestingly, Manafort was investigated by the FBI back in 2014 for these payments but he wasn't charged at that time). The 1st part, though, combined with the other stuff, pretty much tells us that Biden is corrupt.



As Donald Trump began his meteoric rise to the presidency, the Obama White House summoned Ukrainian authorities to Washington to coordinate ongoing anti-corruption efforts inside Russia’s most critical neighbor.

The January 2016 gathering, confirmed by multiple participants and contemporaneous memos, brought some of Ukraine’s top corruption prosecutors and investigators face to face with members of President Obama’s National Security Council (NSC), the FBI, State Department and Department of Justice (DOJ).

The agenda suggested the purpose was training and coordination. But Ukrainian participants said it didn’t take long — during the meetings and afterwards — to realize the Americans’ objectives included two politically hot investigations: one that touched Vice President Joe Biden’s family, and one that involved a lobbying firm linked closely to then-candidate Trump.

Telizhenko, who no longer works for the Ukraine embassy, said U.S. officials volunteered during the meetings — one of which was held in the White House’s Old Executive Office Building — that they had an interest in reviving a closed investigation into payments to U.S. figures from Ukraine’s Russia-backed Party of Regions.

That 2014 investigation was led by the FBI and focused heavily on GOP lobbyist Paul Manafort, whose firm long had been tied to Trump through his partner and Trump pal, Roger Stone.

...

Kulyk said Ukrainian authorities had evidence that other Western figures, such as former Obama White House counsel Greg Craig, also received money from Yanukovich’s party. But the Americans weren’t interested: “They just discussed Manafort. This was all and only what they wanted. Nobody else.”

...

The other case raised at the January 2016 meeting, he said, involved Burisma Holdings, a Ukrainian energy company under investigation in Ukraine for improper foreign transfers of money. At the time, Burisma allegedly was paying Vice President Joe Biden’s son, Hunter, as both a board member and a consultant. More than $3 million flowed from Ukraine to an American firm tied to Hunter Biden in 2014-15, bank records show.

Telizhenko said U.S. officials told the Ukrainians they would prefer that Kiev drop the Burisma probe and allow the FBI to take it over. The Ukrainians did not agree. But then Joe Biden pressured Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko to fire Ukraine’s chief prosecutor in March 2016, as I previously reported. The Burisma case was transferred to NABU, then shut down.


thehill.com
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
April 26 2019 01:49 GMT
#27772
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iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4329 Posts
April 26 2019 01:53 GMT
#27773
On April 26 2019 06:11 Mohdoo wrote:
By being disliked by every single other candidates followings, everyone is laser focused on stomping Biden.

What do Beto/Yang/Bernie/Warren fans all agree on? No Biden.

Trump was the same.
Interested to see polls after his announcement, he’s shot past Bernie i’m guessing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
Ayaz2810
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2763 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-26 02:22:28
April 26 2019 02:22 GMT
#27774
On April 26 2019 10:49 JimmiC wrote:
Arrest him. Get all the corrupt fucks out of office. I don't care what "team" they are on.


Seconded. One thing I've noticed about the left vs the right: we are willing to hold our folks accountable. Lock every law-breaker up. I don't care if it's a D or an R.
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23116 Posts
April 26 2019 02:40 GMT
#27775
On April 26 2019 11:22 Ayaz2810 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2019 10:49 JimmiC wrote:
Arrest him. Get all the corrupt fucks out of office. I don't care what "team" they are on.


Seconded. One thing I've noticed about the left vs the right: we are willing to hold our folks accountable. Lock every law-breaker up. I don't care if it's a D or an R.


I think one of the most important things I've learned here is that they aren't going to arrest themselves.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
April 26 2019 04:13 GMT
#27776
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IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
April 26 2019 05:06 GMT
#27777
On April 26 2019 06:55 farvacola wrote:
The reporting on it is spotty so far, but it appears that Biden will be kicking off his campaign with a fundraiser hosted by Comcast's top in-company lobbyist and a ticket cost of $2,800.00 a head. Some of the other, less mainstream sources detail additional non-political attendees, like a Blue Cross insurance lobbyist and a leader in anti-union policy implementation. In any case, Joe clearly ain't woke.

Source

Show nested quote +
On April 26 2019 04:42 IgnE wrote:
On April 26 2019 03:23 farvacola wrote:
Seems to me that armchair psychology aimed at positing traits or tendencies with reference to wealth is a distracting, hollow endeavor. I don’t care whether the wealthy are predetermined towards negative personality traits, I just want them and the entities they benefit from to pay their fair share. There’s no need to go down quasi-Lacanian rabbit holes.


there doesn’t seem to be any specifically Lacanian theorizing being done here


I contemplated typing out a screed in which I discuss how GH's connection of wealth with particular kinds of personality disorders implicates a materialist take on how desire and its constituent drives are bound up in the animating vectors of active social and commercial transactions, but meh, I'll concede that I could have left that bit out of my original post.


so what you are saying is that we need some Lacanian theorizing to temper GH's vulgar materialism
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7881 Posts
April 26 2019 08:20 GMT
#27778
On April 26 2019 10:53 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2019 06:11 Mohdoo wrote:
By being disliked by every single other candidates followings, everyone is laser focused on stomping Biden.

What do Beto/Yang/Bernie/Warren fans all agree on? No Biden.

Trump was the same.
Interested to see polls after his announcement, he’s shot past Bernie i’m guessing.

Trump got the biggest free media coverage in history because some big media thought he was entertaining. Being a clueless outrageous clown got him there.

Biden won’t have whole channels playing his speeches in a sequence because he doesn’t say nearly enough dumb stuff that it has the potential to becomes entertainment in the eyes of big TV stations.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7881 Posts
April 26 2019 08:23 GMT
#27779
On April 26 2019 14:06 IgnE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2019 06:55 farvacola wrote:
The reporting on it is spotty so far, but it appears that Biden will be kicking off his campaign with a fundraiser hosted by Comcast's top in-company lobbyist and a ticket cost of $2,800.00 a head. Some of the other, less mainstream sources detail additional non-political attendees, like a Blue Cross insurance lobbyist and a leader in anti-union policy implementation. In any case, Joe clearly ain't woke.

Source

On April 26 2019 04:42 IgnE wrote:
On April 26 2019 03:23 farvacola wrote:
Seems to me that armchair psychology aimed at positing traits or tendencies with reference to wealth is a distracting, hollow endeavor. I don’t care whether the wealthy are predetermined towards negative personality traits, I just want them and the entities they benefit from to pay their fair share. There’s no need to go down quasi-Lacanian rabbit holes.


there doesn’t seem to be any specifically Lacanian theorizing being done here


I contemplated typing out a screed in which I discuss how GH's connection of wealth with particular kinds of personality disorders implicates a materialist take on how desire and its constituent drives are bound up in the animating vectors of active social and commercial transactions, but meh, I'll concede that I could have left that bit out of my original post.


so what you are saying is that we need some Lacanian theorizing to temper GH's vulgar materialism

Lacan is like, the postmodern Godwin point. You know the discussion is virtually over whenever he is mentioned.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4329 Posts
April 26 2019 09:25 GMT
#27780
On April 26 2019 17:20 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2019 10:53 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On April 26 2019 06:11 Mohdoo wrote:
By being disliked by every single other candidates followings, everyone is laser focused on stomping Biden.

What do Beto/Yang/Bernie/Warren fans all agree on? No Biden.

Trump was the same.
Interested to see polls after his announcement, he’s shot past Bernie i’m guessing.

Trump got the biggest free media coverage in history because some big media thought he was entertaining.

He was entertaining.I still go back and watch the Jeb Bush/Trump debate clips for a laugh.

I don’t think Biden will be as entertaining, unless his scandals manage to bring him down.Let’s see how this Ukraine deal plays out.I hear Ukraine elected a comedian as leader so who knows? Things seem to be getting crazier.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
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