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On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
February 14 2019 21:41 GMT
#22361
Based on his rhetoric in recent days and weeks, imo, his next pivot will be to abortion. That will be the next red meat issue to keep cult satiated.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 14 2019 21:48 GMT
#22362
I’m sure all the GOP Senators running for re-election will love that. Especially Collins. That will go real well for her.
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18843 Posts
February 14 2019 21:54 GMT
#22363
Collins is a fool who has already gotten played by Trump, she’ll get played again I’m sure.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 14 2019 22:04 GMT
#22364
I'm just thinking in 2020 terms. Having a full blown fight about abortion is not a friend of the moderate Republican in a state gearing up to fight them.
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18843 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-14 22:11:38
February 14 2019 22:08 GMT
#22365
The middle ground that moderate Republicans have stood on is falling away by the day thanks to Trump and the likes of the Freedom Caucus. They've devoted themselves to a variety of wedge issues that have become so one-dimensional that there's no room for moderates to differentiate themselves any longer; they either have to go along with loudest true blood schlump in the room or they'll lose.

Edit: Dems, on the other hand, are facing a similar issue at an earlier stage in the process, so I hope that something a bit more heterogeneous emerges there, say a coalition of broad support that includes folks focused on at least one of a handful of issues like environment, labor, finance/taxation.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 14 2019 22:22 GMT
#22366
The one thing the Democrats have going for them is all of the goals they have require legislation, which naturally requires coalition building in congress. The Republican dominance in the House was born out of opposition to Obama and Democrats accomplishing anything, ever. All that took was a minority of the majority in the House to kill any legislation, so the Freedom Caucus held so much power I doubt the democrats will form “Progressive Caucus” of 40 members like the Freedom Caucus, because it just won’t have the power that they had. You can’t get legislation passed through obstruction. Smaller voting blocs with similar interest will form and make legislative needs known.

But it will all have to wait until Trump is out of office. Nothing is getting done while that man is in the White House.
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Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
February 14 2019 22:39 GMT
#22367
Oh well, it's better than invading Venezuela as an artifically manufactured distraction.
Slydie
Profile Joined August 2013
1928 Posts
February 15 2019 00:58 GMT
#22368
The scary part is how Trump can keep abusing this in the future if he gets away with it this time. Unjustified "states of emergency" is a tried and trusted way to destroy democratic institutions. I see nothing funny about this!
Buff the siegetank
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
February 15 2019 01:13 GMT
#22369
On February 15 2019 09:58 Slydie wrote:
The scary part is how Trump can keep abusing this in the future if he gets away with it this time. Unjustified "states of emergency" is a tried and trusted way to destroy democratic institutions. I see nothing funny about this!


It's true. Theres a reason our constitution contains no clause providing for its suspension.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45182 Posts
February 15 2019 04:22 GMT
#22370
On February 15 2019 06:41 On_Slaught wrote:
Based on his rhetoric in recent days and weeks, imo, his next pivot will be to abortion. That will be the next red meat issue to keep cult satiated.


It's a Thursday, so does that mean that Trump is pro-choice? Or pro-life? Or pro-life + criminal charges for mothers who have abortions? Or pro-life + blaming the doctors and not the mothers? He's flip-flopped on abortion so many times that it's hard to keep track. ( https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/04/03/donald-trumps-ever-shifting-positions-on-abortion/?utm_term=.5929f5562137 )
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Starlightsun
Profile Blog Joined June 2016
United States1405 Posts
February 15 2019 05:19 GMT
#22371
On February 15 2019 07:39 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Oh well, it's better than invading Venezuela as an artifically manufactured distraction.


I'm really worried they are going to attack Iran.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-15 23:40:16
February 15 2019 05:45 GMT
#22372
There truly is a tweet for everything Trump does. Here he refers to Obama's DACA action and points out that Obama attempted to negotiate with Congress on the same matter on which he took unilateral action. Once again the hypocrisy could not be more clear. This man's word has no value.

american_lies
Profile Joined February 2019
1 Post
February 15 2019 07:30 GMT
#22373
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iamthedave
Profile Joined February 2011
England2814 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-15 10:13:51
February 15 2019 10:12 GMT
#22374
On February 15 2019 14:45 Doodsmack wrote:
There truly is a tweet for everything Trump does. Once again the hypocrisy could not be more clear. This man's word has no value.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/535441553079431168


Trump is an irrelevance. It's the public embracing of his actions that's the problem.

On this site most of the main Conservative posters heartily endorsed Trump using a state of national emergency to override Congress. Figures in the media have done the same (though that seems a bit more muted). That's the dangerous part.

Once the standard becomes 'if my side's doing it it's okay' then the entire system is on brittle ground. We've already seen in this presidency that the whole issue with government checks and balances is that the President gets to appoint who is in charge of them. All the machinery meant to keep the President in line can be turned to protecting him.

America's got such a history of interaction with failed states and tyrannies, you'd think by now more of the populace would see the warning signs. But I know that's rhetorical. Most of the populace aren't politically engaged and don't do research. You're heading towards a very dangerous place.

Still, should be a decent talking point in 2020. The 'dealmaker in chief' couldn't handle the basic process of making a deal with Congress and had to cheat.
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Slydie
Profile Joined August 2013
1928 Posts
February 15 2019 10:27 GMT
#22375
Still, should be a decent talking point in 2020. The 'dealmaker in chief' couldn't handle the basic process of making a deal with Congress and had to cheat.


I hope the court system and maybe Senate does its job on this, and fast!

I would love "gundeath" state of emergency in the future in the face of the Republicans, that is actually a very real problem!
Buff the siegetank
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
February 15 2019 10:48 GMT
#22376
So according to the WH schedule Trump will declare a national emergency, and then go to Mar-a-Lago for the weekend. I know he thinks 'signature on something = job done' but even he must understand how this makes the emergency look?
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22009 Posts
February 15 2019 11:00 GMT
#22377
On February 15 2019 19:48 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
So according to the WH schedule Trump will declare a national emergency, and then go to Mar-a-Lago for the weekend. I know he thinks 'signature on something = job done' but even he must understand how this makes the emergency look?
Doesn't matter to his cultists and no one else believes the emergency exists anyway.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 15 2019 12:06 GMT
#22378
Wonder which Federal Court decides if this is a valid National Emergency or not, or do the Democrats have to take it to court in order to start things?
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On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
February 15 2019 12:25 GMT
#22379
I imagine the person least happy about this declaration is CJ Roberts. SCOTUS going to be tossed a political hand grenade with this one.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
February 15 2019 13:39 GMT
#22380
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