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On February 12 2019 04:38 youngjiddle wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2019 04:16 Acrofales wrote:On February 12 2019 04:10 youngjiddle wrote:On February 12 2019 03:59 Sermokala wrote:
He could have gotten 25 billion for the wall without a fight if he accepted DACA a few months ago. Now hes bleeding out the last of his moderate support for a tenth of that. Dems should have made a deal by now IMO. Not much has changed from those few months ago, and if Trump brings a proper DACA deal (not the old one, a longer term one), the media should report it fairly, that way we avoid a shutdown. If the media reported that the Dems then refused a proper DACA deal, a lot of democrats would be mad. Instead the media will just blame Trump again. I saw a youtube video of someone going out on the streets asking if people would support a DACA trade for wall funding, and they all said yes to it, but were not informed it was even on the table... Insofar as I understand this, Pelosi has repeatedly mentioned DACA for the wall as an option, and Trump and/or McConnell have repeatedly shot it down. So if you want that, the ball appears to be in the Republicans' court. Pelosi said in the meeting with Trump no wall talk whatsoever, so obviously she is sending mixed messages. As for McConnell, yeah, that's why I said "if Trump brings a proper DACA deal" ...
If we are thinking of the same meeting, that was after the government was shut down. Once that happened, the Democrats took the hard line that no discussion about the wall would take place until the government reopened.
Democrats have been willing to trade a lot for the dumb wall. But all of the “offers” Trump has put forth have been created by people like Steve Miller, which effectively assures they contain things Democrats can't agree to.
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On February 12 2019 04:41 RvB wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2019 02:20 Mohdoo wrote:On February 12 2019 02:14 Introvert wrote:
so that's the spin the Democrats are putting on fewer beds? Selectivity? lol. why not just announce you are for open bordsrs and as many people coming in as possible and be done with it. Are you saying you actually think democrats want open borders? How are you defining "open borders"? What do democrats want immigration wise? What is their policy?
Manpower, technology, and allowing people to pursue legal asylum claims (and be processed in a reasonable amount of time) is a pretty big part of it. It's not rocket science. "Common sense" sums it up.
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On February 12 2019 05:00 Ayaz2810 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2019 04:41 RvB wrote:On February 12 2019 02:20 Mohdoo wrote:On February 12 2019 02:14 Introvert wrote:
so that's the spin the Democrats are putting on fewer beds? Selectivity? lol. why not just announce you are for open bordsrs and as many people coming in as possible and be done with it. Are you saying you actually think democrats want open borders? How are you defining "open borders"? What do democrats want immigration wise? What is their policy? Manpower, technology, and allowing people to pursue legal asylum claims (and be processed in a reasonable amount of time) is a pretty big part of it. It's not rocket science. "Common sense" sums it up.
or as you could put it, what every democrate has been saying for the last 3 months now.
If you don't know the dems position, it's because you're not listening to when they are asked.
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All of Donald's offers would have relied on Democrats to do everything and then trust that Donald wouldn't just go back on his word after they delivered the votes. Don has no credibility because he has been a dealbreaker his whole life, and especially during his Presidency. No one on the opposite side of the table trusts him to follow through on anything he promises (aside from evangelicals who have Pence to guarantee their judges). Any real offers would be coming from McConnell and he has never offered anything.
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On February 12 2019 05:02 IyMoon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2019 05:00 Ayaz2810 wrote:On February 12 2019 04:41 RvB wrote:On February 12 2019 02:20 Mohdoo wrote:On February 12 2019 02:14 Introvert wrote:
so that's the spin the Democrats are putting on fewer beds? Selectivity? lol. why not just announce you are for open bordsrs and as many people coming in as possible and be done with it. Are you saying you actually think democrats want open borders? How are you defining "open borders"? What do democrats want immigration wise? What is their policy? Manpower, technology, and allowing people to pursue legal asylum claims (and be processed in a reasonable amount of time) is a pretty big part of it. It's not rocket science. "Common sense" sums it up. or as you could put it, what every democrate has been saying for the last 3 months now. If you don't know the dems position, it's because you're not listening to when they are asked.
He's from another country and asked. I didn't expect him to know.
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On February 12 2019 04:41 RvB wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2019 02:20 Mohdoo wrote:On February 12 2019 02:14 Introvert wrote:
so that's the spin the Democrats are putting on fewer beds? Selectivity? lol. why not just announce you are for open bordsrs and as many people coming in as possible and be done with it. Are you saying you actually think democrats want open borders? How are you defining "open borders"? What do democrats want immigration wise? What is their policy?
https://democrats.org/about/party-platform/#broken-immigration
google is pretty hard.
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On February 12 2019 05:11 ThaddeusK wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2019 04:41 RvB wrote:On February 12 2019 02:20 Mohdoo wrote:On February 12 2019 02:14 Introvert wrote:
so that's the spin the Democrats are putting on fewer beds? Selectivity? lol. why not just announce you are for open bordsrs and as many people coming in as possible and be done with it. Are you saying you actually think democrats want open borders? How are you defining "open borders"? What do democrats want immigration wise? What is their policy? https://democrats.org/about/party-platform/#broken-immigrationgoogle is pretty hard.
rude much?
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That was a bit rude. However, it is also frustrating to constantly have to answer “What do the democrats want?” on immigration. Their plans and policies have been out there forever. But because the discussion is dominated by Republicans falsely claiming democrats want open borders, we get to have the same discussion over and over and over.
Edit: I find the whole Ilhan Omar thing amusing. She already apologized and has moved on. But some folks are desperate to keep that flame going because they need something to go after the Democrats about.
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Conservative Twitter has blown up over Ilhan Omar's use of an anti semitic trope. But the below tweet was merely a sherriffs star, and Diane Feinstein sure is sneaky.
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On February 12 2019 02:24 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2019 02:20 Plansix wrote:On February 12 2019 02:14 Introvert wrote:
so that's the spin the Democrats are putting on fewer beds? Selectivity? lol. why not just announce you are for open bordsrs and as many people coming in as possible and be done with it. Dude, can you put more effort into these? I get it that you dislike immigration of any kind, but the whole "open borders" is kinda lazy at this point. No one buys into this argument, including you. On February 12 2019 02:20 Mohdoo wrote:On February 12 2019 02:14 Introvert wrote:
so that's the spin the Democrats are putting on fewer beds? Selectivity? lol. why not just announce you are for open bordsrs and as many people coming in as possible and be done with it. Are you saying you actually think democrats want open borders? How are you defining "open borders"? WHY WOULD YOU ENGAGE WITH THIS, YOU KNOW IT IS BULLSHIT!?!?!?!?! I imagine he defines open borders as something other than every single person on the planet being granted free entry to the US, so I want to at least know what he is arguing against.
it was semi sarcastic. the idea that the Democrats have a good reason for opposing things like more beds is facially asinine. trying to hamstring law enforcement is not acting on good faith on this issue. you'd think after all we heard about "concentration camps" on the border the Democrats would be all for things like bigger and better accommodations. but nope.
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On February 12 2019 05:40 Doodsmack wrote:Conservative Twitter has blown up over Ilhan Omar's use of an anti semitic trope. But the below tweet was merely a sherriffs star, and Diane Feinstein sure is sneaky.
the image you linked wont work for me, but good on you for turning the story into right wing reaction to her multiple statements instead of her statements themselves. a classic. strangely enough, the dog whistle experts are nowhere to be found.
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On February 12 2019 05:51 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2019 02:24 Mohdoo wrote:On February 12 2019 02:20 Plansix wrote:On February 12 2019 02:14 Introvert wrote:
so that's the spin the Democrats are putting on fewer beds? Selectivity? lol. why not just announce you are for open bordsrs and as many people coming in as possible and be done with it. Dude, can you put more effort into these? I get it that you dislike immigration of any kind, but the whole "open borders" is kinda lazy at this point. No one buys into this argument, including you. On February 12 2019 02:20 Mohdoo wrote:On February 12 2019 02:14 Introvert wrote:
so that's the spin the Democrats are putting on fewer beds? Selectivity? lol. why not just announce you are for open bordsrs and as many people coming in as possible and be done with it. Are you saying you actually think democrats want open borders? How are you defining "open borders"? WHY WOULD YOU ENGAGE WITH THIS, YOU KNOW IT IS BULLSHIT!?!?!?!?! I imagine he defines open borders as something other than every single person on the planet being granted free entry to the US, so I want to at least know what he is arguing against. it was semi sarcastic. the idea that the Democrats have a good reason for opposing things like more beds is facially asinine. trying to hamstring law enforcement is not acting on good faith on this issue. you'd think after all we heard about "concentration camps" on the border the Democrats would be all for things like bigger and better accommodations. but nope.
Are they hamstringing law enforcement? Or are they telling the administration they don’t have a blank check to detain all 11 million legal immigrants for an unlimited period of time while the tiny number of immigration judges works through the backlog?
Because, that is the way I see it. ICE and the administration doesn’t get a blank check. In fact, I bet they could get a lot more immigration judges if they wanted. But they don’t seem to be asking for judges at all. They want a wall.
On February 12 2019 05:54 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2019 05:40 Doodsmack wrote:Conservative Twitter has blown up over Ilhan Omar's use of an anti semitic trope. But the below tweet was merely a sherriffs star, and Diane Feinstein sure is sneaky. the image you linked wont work for me, but good on you for turning the story into right wing reaction to her multiple statements instead of her statements themselves. a classic. strangely enough, the dog whistle experts are nowhere to be found.
They have been found. It as called the Democratic party leadership. They got on her as fast as they got on Steve King. And unlike King, she apologized.
https://www.npr.org/2019/02/11/693480995/house-democrats-urge-party-leaders-to-condemn-anti-semitism
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On February 12 2019 05:54 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2019 05:40 Doodsmack wrote:Conservative Twitter has blown up over Ilhan Omar's use of an anti semitic trope. But the below tweet was merely a sherriffs star, and Diane Feinstein sure is sneaky. the image you linked wont work for me, but good on you for turning the story into right wing reaction to her multiple statements instead of her statements themselves. a classic. strangely enough, the dog whistle experts are nowhere to be found.
Omar apologized, dem leadership called her out. Trumps use of tropes still stands though. Just the media making a sheriffs star out to be the star of David (set against a background of dollar Bills in a trump tweet).
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On February 12 2019 06:00 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2019 05:54 Introvert wrote:On February 12 2019 05:40 Doodsmack wrote:Conservative Twitter has blown up over Ilhan Omar's use of an anti semitic trope. But the below tweet was merely a sherriffs star, and Diane Feinstein sure is sneaky. the image you linked wont work for me, but good on you for turning the story into right wing reaction to her multiple statements instead of her statements themselves. a classic. strangely enough, the dog whistle experts are nowhere to be found. Omar apologized, dem leadership called her out. Trumps use of tropes still stands though. Just the media making a sheriffs star out to be the star of David (set against a background of dollar Bills in a trump tweet).
she's been doing this for weeks.
but again, that is not the point. also her apology was a joke. Steve King got all his assignments stripped away, I'm still waiting for that here.
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On February 12 2019 06:05 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2019 06:00 Doodsmack wrote:On February 12 2019 05:54 Introvert wrote:On February 12 2019 05:40 Doodsmack wrote:Conservative Twitter has blown up over Ilhan Omar's use of an anti semitic trope. But the below tweet was merely a sherriffs star, and Diane Feinstein sure is sneaky. the image you linked wont work for me, but good on you for turning the story into right wing reaction to her multiple statements instead of her statements themselves. a classic. strangely enough, the dog whistle experts are nowhere to be found. Omar apologized, dem leadership called her out. Trumps use of tropes still stands though. Just the media making a sheriffs star out to be the star of David (set against a background of dollar Bills in a trump tweet). she's been doing this for weeks. but again, that is not the point. also her apology was a joke. Steve King got all his assignments stripped away, I'm still waiting for that here.
Did she overtly support a hate movement bent on the oppression and subjugation of all other races and the unjust empowerment of her own? I was real busy this weekend, so I might have missed that.
And to be like King, wouldn't she have to have been doing this for years without any consequence before having her appointments stripped?
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On February 12 2019 06:05 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2019 06:00 Doodsmack wrote:On February 12 2019 05:54 Introvert wrote:On February 12 2019 05:40 Doodsmack wrote:Conservative Twitter has blown up over Ilhan Omar's use of an anti semitic trope. But the below tweet was merely a sherriffs star, and Diane Feinstein sure is sneaky. the image you linked wont work for me, but good on you for turning the story into right wing reaction to her multiple statements instead of her statements themselves. a classic. strangely enough, the dog whistle experts are nowhere to be found. Omar apologized, dem leadership called her out. Trumps use of tropes still stands though. Just the media making a sheriffs star out to be the star of David (set against a background of dollar Bills in a trump tweet). she's been doing this for weeks. but again, that is not the point. also her apology was a joke. Steve King got all his assignments stripped away, I'm still waiting for that here.
Steve King has 20 + years of being a racist asshole, shes fucked up one time and apologized. Let's see if it continues before we kick her out of congress
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On February 12 2019 05:58 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2019 05:51 Introvert wrote:On February 12 2019 02:24 Mohdoo wrote:On February 12 2019 02:20 Plansix wrote:On February 12 2019 02:14 Introvert wrote:
so that's the spin the Democrats are putting on fewer beds? Selectivity? lol. why not just announce you are for open bordsrs and as many people coming in as possible and be done with it. Dude, can you put more effort into these? I get it that you dislike immigration of any kind, but the whole "open borders" is kinda lazy at this point. No one buys into this argument, including you. On February 12 2019 02:20 Mohdoo wrote:On February 12 2019 02:14 Introvert wrote:
so that's the spin the Democrats are putting on fewer beds? Selectivity? lol. why not just announce you are for open bordsrs and as many people coming in as possible and be done with it. Are you saying you actually think democrats want open borders? How are you defining "open borders"? WHY WOULD YOU ENGAGE WITH THIS, YOU KNOW IT IS BULLSHIT!?!?!?!?! I imagine he defines open borders as something other than every single person on the planet being granted free entry to the US, so I want to at least know what he is arguing against. it was semi sarcastic. the idea that the Democrats have a good reason for opposing things like more beds is facially asinine. trying to hamstring law enforcement is not acting on good faith on this issue. you'd think after all we heard about "concentration camps" on the border the Democrats would be all for things like bigger and better accommodations. but nope. Are they hamstringing law enforcement? Or are they telling the administration they don’t have a blank check to detain all 11 million legal immigrants for an unlimited period of time while the tiny number of immigration judges works through the backlog? Because, that is the way I see it. ICE and the administration doesn’t get a blank check. In fact, I bet they could get a lot more immigration judges if they wanted. But they don’t seem to be asking for judges at all. They want a wall. Show nested quote +On February 12 2019 05:54 Introvert wrote:On February 12 2019 05:40 Doodsmack wrote:Conservative Twitter has blown up over Ilhan Omar's use of an anti semitic trope. But the below tweet was merely a sherriffs star, and Diane Feinstein sure is sneaky. the image you linked wont work for me, but good on you for turning the story into right wing reaction to her multiple statements instead of her statements themselves. a classic. strangely enough, the dog whistle experts are nowhere to be found. They have been found. It as called the Democratic party leadership. They got on her as fast as they got on Steve King. And unlike King, she apologized. https://www.npr.org/2019/02/11/693480995/house-democrats-urge-party-leaders-to-condemn-anti-semitism
Yes, you want them to have fewer beds so when they get flooded they must release people into the country. instrqd of having sufficient means to deal with a problem, you'd rather they have yo guess and work under prepared. and this is the moral stance. oh, and by the way, the administration is asking for, and is prob going to get, more immigration judges. they've had that on their wishlist for months.
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From a book written by Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino President John R. O’Donnell:
“Yeah, I never liked the guy. I don’t think he knows what the f––– he’s doing. My accountants up in New York are always complaining about him. He’s not responsive. And isn’t it funny, I’ve got black accountants at the Trump Castle and at Trump Plaza. Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. Those are the kind of people I want counting my money. No one else.”
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“The stuff O’Donnell wrote about me is probably true,” he told Playboy in an interview published in May 1997.
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US Republican presidential candidate and billionaire Donald Trump on Thursday...joked about Jewish stereotypes and suggested Jewish Republicans would not support him in his bid for the White House because he did not want their money, according to Politico.
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On February 12 2019 06:09 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2019 05:58 Plansix wrote:On February 12 2019 05:51 Introvert wrote:On February 12 2019 02:24 Mohdoo wrote:On February 12 2019 02:20 Plansix wrote:On February 12 2019 02:14 Introvert wrote:
so that's the spin the Democrats are putting on fewer beds? Selectivity? lol. why not just announce you are for open bordsrs and as many people coming in as possible and be done with it. Dude, can you put more effort into these? I get it that you dislike immigration of any kind, but the whole "open borders" is kinda lazy at this point. No one buys into this argument, including you. On February 12 2019 02:20 Mohdoo wrote:On February 12 2019 02:14 Introvert wrote:
so that's the spin the Democrats are putting on fewer beds? Selectivity? lol. why not just announce you are for open bordsrs and as many people coming in as possible and be done with it. Are you saying you actually think democrats want open borders? How are you defining "open borders"? WHY WOULD YOU ENGAGE WITH THIS, YOU KNOW IT IS BULLSHIT!?!?!?!?! I imagine he defines open borders as something other than every single person on the planet being granted free entry to the US, so I want to at least know what he is arguing against. it was semi sarcastic. the idea that the Democrats have a good reason for opposing things like more beds is facially asinine. trying to hamstring law enforcement is not acting on good faith on this issue. you'd think after all we heard about "concentration camps" on the border the Democrats would be all for things like bigger and better accommodations. but nope. Are they hamstringing law enforcement? Or are they telling the administration they don’t have a blank check to detain all 11 million legal immigrants for an unlimited period of time while the tiny number of immigration judges works through the backlog? Because, that is the way I see it. ICE and the administration doesn’t get a blank check. In fact, I bet they could get a lot more immigration judges if they wanted. But they don’t seem to be asking for judges at all. They want a wall. On February 12 2019 05:54 Introvert wrote:On February 12 2019 05:40 Doodsmack wrote:Conservative Twitter has blown up over Ilhan Omar's use of an anti semitic trope. But the below tweet was merely a sherriffs star, and Diane Feinstein sure is sneaky. the image you linked wont work for me, but good on you for turning the story into right wing reaction to her multiple statements instead of her statements themselves. a classic. strangely enough, the dog whistle experts are nowhere to be found. They have been found. It as called the Democratic party leadership. They got on her as fast as they got on Steve King. And unlike King, she apologized. https://www.npr.org/2019/02/11/693480995/house-democrats-urge-party-leaders-to-condemn-anti-semitism Yes, you want them to have fewer beds so when they get flooded they must release people into the country. instrqd of having sufficient means to deal with a problem, you'd rather they have yo guess and work under prepared. and this is the moral stance. oh, and by the way, the administration is asking for, and is prob going to get, more immigration judges. they've had that on their wishlist for months.
The democrats have already agreed to everything except the wall. If the administration wanted that they could have had it 2 months ago. Jesus christ man do you not even listen to what dems have been saying this whole time? Do you just make it up in your head and go 'That's the dems position!'
Seriously, More money for ports of entry security? Check
More officers? check
More judges? Check
Check check check on things dems have agreed to.
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