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Slander is spoken. If it is in print, it is libel. - JJJ
But it is nice that the champions of Free Speech turn to the goverment to silence other groups and people through lawsuits. Because free speech is all well and good if it is them, but it isn't for anyone else.
Seriously, the most amusing part of all of this is that their arguments are the same arguments used to create hate speech legislation. They want to be protected from speech that would harm their ability to function in a free society, while they employ speech that does the exact same thing.
But is always nice when people cheer on the racists and white supremacists, not because they agree with racism, but because they want to see a group dedicated to fighting racism taken down a couple pegs.
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On February 06 2019 03:15 Taelshin wrote:The SPLC is nothing but a slander throwing wing of the democrat party at this point. Look at what they did to Maajid Nawaz + Show Spoiler +https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/06/maajid-nawaz-v-splc/562646/ luckily there is some sanity left in this world and he won out. They also tried to label Tim Pool Alt-Right + Show Spoiler +All that said I don't think Gavin Mcinnes or the proud boys are likely to win anything here, but I hope they do, the SPLC needs to be knocked down a few pegs.
They apologized.
https://www.splcenter.org/news/2018/06/18/splc-statement-regarding-maajid-nawaz-and-quilliam-foundation
But this is really just you back to bring us more reactionary concern trolling after it didn't work in the Canadian politics thread isn't it?
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Man, I forgot about Tim Pool going to Sweden to prove the idiot Paul Joseph Watson wrong. One of the worst reasons to write a story about anything, to prove uneducated conspiracy theorist wrong. His time would have been better spent reporting on how Paul Joseph Watson does not live in reality and makes up stories.
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On February 06 2019 03:54 rexxO wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2019 03:15 Taelshin wrote:The SPLC is nothing but a slander throwing wing of the democrat party at this point. Look at what they did to Maajid Nawaz + Show Spoiler +https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/06/maajid-nawaz-v-splc/562646/ luckily there is some sanity left in this world and he won out. They also tried to label Tim Pool Alt-Right + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tkcd_MQgEL8 All that said I don't think Gavin Mcinnes or the proud boys are likely to win anything here, but I hope they do, the SPLC needs to be knocked down a few pegs. They apologized. https://www.splcenter.org/news/2018/06/18/splc-statement-regarding-maajid-nawaz-and-quilliam-foundationBut this is really just you back to bring us more reactionary concern trolling after it didn't work in the Canadian politics thread isn't it?
The SPLC was wrong in the case of Nawaz, but they are right about the proud boys imo. Not that it matters because this case is stupid.
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On February 06 2019 03:32 Plansix wrote:
Slander is spoken. If it is in print, it is libel. - JJJ
But it is nice that the champions of Free Speech turn to the goverment to silence other groups and people through lawsuits. Because free speech is all well and good if it is them, but it isn't for anyone else.
Seriously, the most amusing part of all of this is that their arguments are the same arguments used to create hate speech legislation. They want to be protected from speech that would harm their ability to function in a free society, while they employ speech that does the exact same thing.
But is always nice when people cheer on the racists and white supremacists, not because they agree with racism, but because they want to see a group dedicated to fighting racism taken down a couple pegs.
whatever source you are reading that is giving you this free speech talking point is probably one you should ignore, it's really dumb.
I dont think there is a person on the right alive right now who wants to do away with things like libel laws. but for you to conflate the issues is itself revealing and really funny.
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On February 06 2019 05:43 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2019 03:32 Plansix wrote:
Slander is spoken. If it is in print, it is libel. - JJJ
But it is nice that the champions of Free Speech turn to the goverment to silence other groups and people through lawsuits. Because free speech is all well and good if it is them, but it isn't for anyone else.
Seriously, the most amusing part of all of this is that their arguments are the same arguments used to create hate speech legislation. They want to be protected from speech that would harm their ability to function in a free society, while they employ speech that does the exact same thing.
But is always nice when people cheer on the racists and white supremacists, not because they agree with racism, but because they want to see a group dedicated to fighting racism taken down a couple pegs. whatever source you are reading that is giving you this free speech talking point is probably one you should ignore, it's really dumb. I dont think there is a person on the right alive right now who wants to do away with things like libel laws. but for you to conflate the issues is itself revealing and really funny.
That would be lawyers reading the dumb dumb pleadings by the Proud Boys and their fans who think that speech should be without consequences. Did you think I was talking about the entire concept of free speech?
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On February 06 2019 05:52 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2019 05:43 Introvert wrote:On February 06 2019 03:32 Plansix wrote:
Slander is spoken. If it is in print, it is libel. - JJJ
But it is nice that the champions of Free Speech turn to the goverment to silence other groups and people through lawsuits. Because free speech is all well and good if it is them, but it isn't for anyone else.
Seriously, the most amusing part of all of this is that their arguments are the same arguments used to create hate speech legislation. They want to be protected from speech that would harm their ability to function in a free society, while they employ speech that does the exact same thing.
But is always nice when people cheer on the racists and white supremacists, not because they agree with racism, but because they want to see a group dedicated to fighting racism taken down a couple pegs. whatever source you are reading that is giving you this free speech talking point is probably one you should ignore, it's really dumb. I dont think there is a person on the right alive right now who wants to do away with things like libel laws. but for you to conflate the issues is itself revealing and really funny. That would be lawyers reading the dumb dumb pleadings by the Proud Boys and their fans who think that speech should be without consequences. Did you think I was talking about the entire concept of free speech?
See, that's why lawyers should be wary of offering political commentary in the course of doing their jobs.
as I said, I'm not sure how.many people you could find saying [all] speech should be w/o consequence. If that actually was the PB stance it would indeed be funny, but I'm willing to bet it's not. Look at all this other stuff you've entwined into it so effortlessly.
but I have no love of the PB so I'll leave it there, cause it's clear where this is coming from and where it's going.
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On February 06 2019 06:00 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2019 05:52 Plansix wrote:On February 06 2019 05:43 Introvert wrote:On February 06 2019 03:32 Plansix wrote:
Slander is spoken. If it is in print, it is libel. - JJJ
But it is nice that the champions of Free Speech turn to the goverment to silence other groups and people through lawsuits. Because free speech is all well and good if it is them, but it isn't for anyone else.
Seriously, the most amusing part of all of this is that their arguments are the same arguments used to create hate speech legislation. They want to be protected from speech that would harm their ability to function in a free society, while they employ speech that does the exact same thing.
But is always nice when people cheer on the racists and white supremacists, not because they agree with racism, but because they want to see a group dedicated to fighting racism taken down a couple pegs. whatever source you are reading that is giving you this free speech talking point is probably one you should ignore, it's really dumb. I dont think there is a person on the right alive right now who wants to do away with things like libel laws. but for you to conflate the issues is itself revealing and really funny. That would be lawyers reading the dumb dumb pleadings by the Proud Boys and their fans who think that speech should be without consequences. Did you think I was talking about the entire concept of free speech? See, that's why lawyers should be wary of offering political commentary in the course of doing their jobs. as I said, I'm not sure how.many people you could find saying [all] speech should be w/o consequence. If that actually was the PB stance it would indeed be funny, but I'm willing to bet it's not. Look at all this other stuff you've entwined into it so effortlessly. but I have no love of the PB so I'll leave it there, cause it's clear where this is coming from and where it's going.
These lawyers are people I follow on twitter that are commenting on the pleadings and merits of the case. They are allowed to make political statements because they are Americans. And I have no idea what your objection is really. Do you think the SPLC is wrong and the courts should find they have committed libel?
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Sure looks like a smoking gun to me as far as the campaign working with Russia. It remains to be seen how involved Trump was, but you'd have to be an idiot to assume he wasn't just because we haven't seen the proof yet. This runs so deep that it's just bonkers.
From page 202 of Buzzfeed's FOIA data dump this morning:
Message
From: Felix (redacted)
Sent: 11/3/2015 12:40:21 PM
To: Michael D. Cohen [/O=TRUMP ORG/OU=FirstAdministrativeGroup/cn=Recipients/cn=mcohen
Subject: Re: Putin/Trump
I just watched President Obama on NBC exclusive say how are the Republicans can negotiate with Putin and the Chinese when they can't stare down CNBC debate moderators. GET THAT C1IP. Michael we can own this story. Donald doesn't stare down, he negotiates and understands the economic issues and Putin only want to deal with a pragmatic leader, and a successful business man is a good candidate for someone who knows how to negotiate. "Business, politics, whatever it all is the same for someone who knows how to deal." I think I can get Putin to say that at the Trump Moscow press conference. If he says it we own this election. Americas most difficult adversary agreeing that Donald is a good guy to negotiate. ISIS, oil, Middle East, etc. etc. We can own this election. Michael my next steps are very sensitive with Putin's very very close people, we can pull this off. Michael lets go. 2 boys from Brooklyn getting a USA president elected. This is good really good.
Thank you, Felix Sater
On Nov 3, 2015, at 12:14 PM, Felix (redacted) wrote:
Got the signed LOI for Trump Moscow, I am on a plane to Nassau, Bahamas to spend 8 days with Andrey and I just watched the Trump press conference. Loved Putin/Russia reference. I need that part of the press conference cut into a short clip to be played for Putin. Please get it done I would but can't as I'm in the Bahamas with Andrey for the next week, but he wants to send it to the Kremlin. BTW a very close person & partner to Putins closest friend, partner and advisor who has been with Putin since teenage years his friend and partner (on the largest shopping center in Moscow) is flying in to the private island in the Bahamas Andrey rented next week. Everything will be negotiated and discussed not with flunkies but with people who will have dinner with Putin and discuss the issues and get a go ahead. Michael I arranged for Ivanka to sit in Putins private chair at his desk and office in the Kremlin. I will get Putin on this program and we will get Donald elected. We both know no one else knows how to pull this off without stupidity or greed getting in the way. I know how to play it and we will get this done. Buddy our boy can become President of the USA and we can engineer it. I will get all of Putins team to buy in on this, I will manage this process. There is no one on this planet who wants Donald elected more than I do a) for selfish reasons, pretty cool to get a USA President elected, b) because he will be a great president. C) after that I can tell all that negative nasty gangster bullshit press to kiss my ass. I guess that's part of a) the selfish part. We will manage this process better than anyone. You and I will get Donald and Vladimir on a stage together very shortly. That the game changer. Get me the clip I will get it to Putin and his people quickly and it will help our cause and process. Thanks for getting the Trump LOI signed by Donald. Now the hard work begins.
Thank you,
Felix Sater
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So Trump paid the $25 million settlement over his fake Trump University shortly after being elected. All the scuttlebutt seems to point to the possibility that the $26 million paid to Melania's friend (a company that came into existence one month before the inauguration) was actually 25 for the settlement and a cool million for laundering it. I can't even right now...
And the latest news seems to have stemmed from another recording. This was a recording of an apparent conversation between Cohen and Stephanie Wolkoff, a former aide to Melania Trump whose company WIS received $26 million from the Trump inaugural committee.
(1) Cohen is a cooperating witness, who was apparently recording - I don't know, this is an assistant to his boss's wife, so pretty much every god damned phone conversation he ever had?
(2) The Inauguration's Deputy Chairman Rick Gates, who was asking vendors to take direct payments from donors to conceal the identities of those donors, is a cooperating witness.
(3) Stephanie Wolkoff has not been implicated criminally, but Melania cut all ties with her back in February, and she sent emails warning Ivanka (who ignored her) that what they were doing was potentially illegal.
And here are all the crimes the subpoena is investigating:
[The subpoena] discloses that prosecutors are investigating a litany of potential crimes: conspiracy against the US, false statements, mail fraud, wire fraud, money laundering, inaugural committee disclosure violations, and violations of laws prohibiting contributions by foreign nations and contributions in the name of another person, also known as straw donors.
SDNY is no joke. They are not limited by the scope of a mandate. They cannot be fired. They do not have to ask the AG what they can and cannot disclose. They are going to expose everything that happened with that inauguration money
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The thing that really gets me, that I forget too often, is that if this was anyone besides Trump he would've been forced out months ago. He has created such a toxic environment that this is just another day.
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On February 06 2019 07:23 Saryph wrote:
The thing that really gets me, that I forget too often, is that if this was anyone besides Trump he would've been forced out months ago. He has created such a toxic environment that this is just another day.
We are all becoming numb to his corruption. Pick any one of his dozens and dozens of scandals. Any one of them would have brought down another President. This all stems from the campaign and being bombarded by his shit day in and day out.
I guess I should have been more specific. Other people are numb. I am not. I still get pissed enough to educate people on a daily basis at work, at home, or online. I've followed every minute detail of this saga and read everything I could find about the last 40 years of Trump's life, his father, Mogilevich, Putin, Bob Levinson, the oligarchs, and various other secondary figures. The more you know, the worse this looks, believe me.
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Yeah. From the outside, it is just really confusing that nothing seems to happen. There is about one incident every 1-2 weeks since the start of the Trump campaign that should have removed him from politics completely. And yet nothing seems to happen. It is very weird.
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On February 06 2019 08:20 Ayaz2810 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2019 07:23 Saryph wrote:
The thing that really gets me, that I forget too often, is that if this was anyone besides Trump he would've been forced out months ago. He has created such a toxic environment that this is just another day. We are all becoming numb to his corruption. Pick any one of his dozens and dozens of scandals. Any one of them would have brought down another President. This all stems from the campaign and being bombarded by his shit day in and day out. I guess I should have been more specific. Other people are numb. I am not. I still get pissed enough to educate people on a daily basis at work, at home, or online. I've followed every minute detail of this saga and read everything I could find about the last 40 years of Trump's life, his father, Mogilevich, Putin, Bob Levinson, the oligarchs, and various other secondary figures. The more you know, the worse this looks, believe me.
Keep fighting the good fight, dawg.
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On February 06 2019 08:31 Simberto wrote:
Yeah. From the outside, it is just really confusing that nothing seems to happen. There is about one incident every 1-2 weeks since the start of the Trump campaign that should have removed him from politics completely. And yet nothing seems to happen. It is very weird.
With how hyper partisan things have gotten you have to shine a light on things so bright that a blind man would see it, and you only get one swing at it.
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On February 06 2019 08:46 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2019 08:20 Ayaz2810 wrote:On February 06 2019 07:23 Saryph wrote:
The thing that really gets me, that I forget too often, is that if this was anyone besides Trump he would've been forced out months ago. He has created such a toxic environment that this is just another day. We are all becoming numb to his corruption. Pick any one of his dozens and dozens of scandals. Any one of them would have brought down another President. This all stems from the campaign and being bombarded by his shit day in and day out. I guess I should have been more specific. Other people are numb. I am not. I still get pissed enough to educate people on a daily basis at work, at home, or online. I've followed every minute detail of this saga and read everything I could find about the last 40 years of Trump's life, his father, Mogilevich, Putin, Bob Levinson, the oligarchs, and various other secondary figures. The more you know, the worse this looks, believe me. Keep fighting the good fight, dawg.
Can't tell if sarcasm... but I haven't seen anyone type dawg in so long haha.
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On February 06 2019 08:54 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2019 08:31 Simberto wrote:
Yeah. From the outside, it is just really confusing that nothing seems to happen. There is about one incident every 1-2 weeks since the start of the Trump campaign that should have removed him from politics completely. And yet nothing seems to happen. It is very weird. With how hyper partisan things have gotten you have to shine a light on things so bright that a blind man would see it, and you only get one swing at it.
When you come at the king, you best not miss. I think that's how the saying goes. Mueller gets one shot to show people the truth in such a way that there is no choice but to remove Trump. Anything after that will be viewed as politically motivated and will further embolden Trump and his base.
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On February 06 2019 09:19 Ayaz2810 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2019 08:54 Gahlo wrote:On February 06 2019 08:31 Simberto wrote:
Yeah. From the outside, it is just really confusing that nothing seems to happen. There is about one incident every 1-2 weeks since the start of the Trump campaign that should have removed him from politics completely. And yet nothing seems to happen. It is very weird. With how hyper partisan things have gotten you have to shine a light on things so bright that a blind man would see it, and you only get one swing at it. When you come at the king, you best not miss. I think that's how the saying goes. Mueller gets one shot to show people the truth in such a way that there is no choice but to remove Trump. Anything after that will be viewed as politically motivated and will further embolden Trump and his base.
Yeah, my impression is that there is some jewel of evidence that makes everyone's eyes go wide that is ultra top secret, so the investigation continues. But everyone knows to convince the truly partisan, it needs to be 900%.
This is for sure something the government has wargame scenarios for. There is no way this isn't just a protocol going into effect. They have wargames for truly everything.
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On February 06 2019 05:43 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2019 03:32 Plansix wrote:
Slander is spoken. If it is in print, it is libel. - JJJ
But it is nice that the champions of Free Speech turn to the goverment to silence other groups and people through lawsuits. Because free speech is all well and good if it is them, but it isn't for anyone else.
Seriously, the most amusing part of all of this is that their arguments are the same arguments used to create hate speech legislation. They want to be protected from speech that would harm their ability to function in a free society, while they employ speech that does the exact same thing.
But is always nice when people cheer on the racists and white supremacists, not because they agree with racism, but because they want to see a group dedicated to fighting racism taken down a couple pegs. whatever source you are reading that is giving you this free speech talking point is probably one you should ignore, it's really dumb. I dont think there is a person on the right alive right now who wants to do away with things like libel laws. but for you to conflate the issues is itself revealing and really funny.
Posters on this site think I am "right wing" and I am fully in favor of abolishing libel and slander laws. I wouldn't consider myself right wing, but hey, I've even been called a Trump supporter here lol.
PS: The SPLC is a joke of an institution - rancid partisanship with hypocritical hatred.
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I don't get where this WW2 stuff is going? Is it just to mark the 75 years?
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