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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-22 20:06:15
July 22 2016 20:05 GMT
#141
from SüdDeutsches liveticker:
Drei Schwerverletzte, mehrere mittelschwer Verletzte im Klinikum Rechts der Isar:
Das Krankenhaus hat den Katastrophenalarm ausgelöst. Alle verfügbaren Ärzte sind zur Schicht einberufen worden. Patienten werden in Zimmern zusammengelegt, um Platz zu schaffen für möglichst viele Verletzte. Bisher sind drei Schwerstverletzte eingetroffen, eine von ihnen, ein 15-jähriges Mädchen, ist mittlerweile gestorben. Außerdem wurden einige mittelschwer Verletze eingeliefert.


The one who died in the hospital apparently was a 15 year old girl
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
TRAP[yoo]
Profile Joined December 2009
Hungary6026 Posts
July 22 2016 20:05 GMT
#142
On July 23 2016 05:02 m4ini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2016 04:59 TRAP[yoo] wrote:
On July 23 2016 04:58 Makro wrote:
On July 23 2016 04:57 m4ini wrote:
On July 23 2016 04:53 Toadesstern wrote:
On July 23 2016 04:46 Clonester wrote:
On July 23 2016 04:45 Nyxisto wrote:
On July 23 2016 04:41 WhiteDog wrote:
On July 23 2016 04:36 JoeCool wrote:
On July 23 2016 04:34 SK.Testie wrote:
Don't know what I'm looking at but sharing anyway. Looks like two men with guns. Not exactly shooting anyone they see though.


Apparantly these are policemen.

Very weird. Civilians who decided to come with their weapon when their hear about the attack maybe ?

On July 23 2016 04:36 Plansix wrote:
On July 23 2016 04:35 sharkie wrote:
[quote]

Japanese are starving? o.o That's new to me

Have have in and out of one of the longest recessions in human history. But I don't think they are "starving" on mass.

It's not a recession it's a stagnation, very different (the lost decade). And it's not the longest in history, by far.


public TV also had some footage of police only in orange/yellowish warning wests and one guy in shorts. Just seems to be very low equipped police or whatever. But seems somewhat strange to have them run around in that situation, yes.


It is friday evening. These guys are literally coming from their dining tables and have been called to their duty. There was no time to catch all the uniforms and equipments, guns, wests, com units must be enough.


somewhat related since people asked why they look that way, from BBC:
German tabloid Bild says police are being drafted in from Austria to help in Munich. The Germany-Austria border is just 42 miles (72km) away.

so yeah, they're probably sending out everyone they can spare


That's surprising actually. I heard that police was drafted from Nuremberg, i wouldn't have thought that austrian policemen are allowed to do their job in germany, too.

a big manhunt has started, i just hope they are gonna find them extremely fast

multiple suspects are not confirmed (yet)


That's not true. Munich Police clearly stated "suspects on the run" etc.

the bavarian minister of the interior just said that its AT LEAST 1 suspect and not 3
FTD
TheNewEra
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany3128 Posts
July 22 2016 20:06 GMT
#143
On July 23 2016 05:02 m4ini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2016 04:59 TRAP[yoo] wrote:
On July 23 2016 04:58 Makro wrote:
On July 23 2016 04:57 m4ini wrote:
On July 23 2016 04:53 Toadesstern wrote:
On July 23 2016 04:46 Clonester wrote:
On July 23 2016 04:45 Nyxisto wrote:
On July 23 2016 04:41 WhiteDog wrote:
On July 23 2016 04:36 JoeCool wrote:
On July 23 2016 04:34 SK.Testie wrote:
Don't know what I'm looking at but sharing anyway. Looks like two men with guns. Not exactly shooting anyone they see though.
https://twitter.com/berkhoff85/status/756549808182140928


Apparantly these are policemen.

Very weird. Civilians who decided to come with their weapon when their hear about the attack maybe ?

On July 23 2016 04:36 Plansix wrote:
On July 23 2016 04:35 sharkie wrote:
[quote]

Japanese are starving? o.o That's new to me

Have have in and out of one of the longest recessions in human history. But I don't think they are "starving" on mass.

It's not a recession it's a stagnation, very different (the lost decade). And it's not the longest in history, by far.


public TV also had some footage of police only in orange/yellowish warning wests and one guy in shorts. Just seems to be very low equipped police or whatever. But seems somewhat strange to have them run around in that situation, yes.


It is friday evening. These guys are literally coming from their dining tables and have been called to their duty. There was no time to catch all the uniforms and equipments, guns, wests, com units must be enough.


somewhat related since people asked why they look that way, from BBC:
German tabloid Bild says police are being drafted in from Austria to help in Munich. The Germany-Austria border is just 42 miles (72km) away.

so yeah, they're probably sending out everyone they can spare


That's surprising actually. I heard that police was drafted from Nuremberg, i wouldn't have thought that austrian policemen are allowed to do their job in germany, too.

a big manhunt has started, i just hope they are gonna find them extremely fast

multiple suspects are not confirmed (yet)


That's not true. Munich Police clearly stated "suspects on the run" etc.


Both.

Police has also detained 3 people who are called suspects. It's becoming incresingly clear though that they have nothing to do with it
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WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-22 20:06:46
July 22 2016 20:06 GMT
#144
On July 23 2016 05:04 Incognoto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2016 05:00 Makro wrote:
On July 23 2016 04:59 WhiteDog wrote:
People are more and more tired about those killings, whoever is the perpetrator. On all the place I read things, the comments are way more belligerant than before. If things go on, politics will have to do something significant.

hollande called the 9k reserve force, we are saved


Thank God for Hollande!

What a fucking piece of shit holy lmao

I think I'd spit on him if he were in front of me

Like 80 % of the french. We're united in that at least

On July 23 2016 05:05 Toadesstern wrote:
from SüdDeutsches liveticker:
Show nested quote +
Drei Schwerverletzte, mehrere mittelschwer Verletzte im Klinikum Rechts der Isar:
Das Krankenhaus hat den Katastrophenalarm ausgelöst. Alle verfügbaren Ärzte sind zur Schicht einberufen worden. Patienten werden in Zimmern zusammengelegt, um Platz zu schaffen für möglichst viele Verletzte. Bisher sind drei Schwerstverletzte eingetroffen, eine von ihnen, ein 15-jähriges Mädchen, ist mittlerweile gestorben. Außerdem wurden einige mittelschwer Verletze eingeliefert.


The one who died in the hospital apparently was a 15 year old girl

Sad.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
July 22 2016 20:06 GMT
#145
On July 23 2016 05:00 Makro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2016 04:59 WhiteDog wrote:
People are more and more tired about those killings, whoever is the perpetrator. On all the place I read things, the comments are way more belligerant than before. If things go on, politics will have to do something significant.

hollande called the 9k reserve force, we are saved
Did he give a reason, or is he just playing out some sort of authoritarian wish fulfilment fantasy?
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
July 22 2016 20:08 GMT
#146
Agreed whitedog

lol i don't even remember why i disliked you. i guess i don't anymore?

i digress

anyway, from what i understand, the attacks are over and suspects are on the run. what are the amount of casualties? 6 or 15? :s
maru lover forever
TRAP[yoo]
Profile Joined December 2009
Hungary6026 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-22 20:10:15
July 22 2016 20:10 GMT
#147
On July 23 2016 05:08 Incognoto wrote:
Agreed whitedog

lol i don't even remember why i disliked you. i guess i don't anymore?

i digress

anyway, from what i understand, the attacks are over and suspects are on the run. what are the amount of casualties? 6 or 15? :s

6 is the official number for now
FTD
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
July 22 2016 20:10 GMT
#148
Seven confirmed dead, motive completely unclear until now.
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-22 20:15:36
July 22 2016 20:10 GMT
#149
On July 23 2016 05:06 TheNewEra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2016 05:02 m4ini wrote:
On July 23 2016 04:59 TRAP[yoo] wrote:
On July 23 2016 04:58 Makro wrote:
On July 23 2016 04:57 m4ini wrote:
On July 23 2016 04:53 Toadesstern wrote:
On July 23 2016 04:46 Clonester wrote:
On July 23 2016 04:45 Nyxisto wrote:
On July 23 2016 04:41 WhiteDog wrote:
On July 23 2016 04:36 JoeCool wrote:
[quote]

Apparantly these are policemen.

Very weird. Civilians who decided to come with their weapon when their hear about the attack maybe ?

On July 23 2016 04:36 Plansix wrote:
[quote]
Have have in and out of one of the longest recessions in human history. But I don't think they are "starving" on mass.

It's not a recession it's a stagnation, very different (the lost decade). And it's not the longest in history, by far.


public TV also had some footage of police only in orange/yellowish warning wests and one guy in shorts. Just seems to be very low equipped police or whatever. But seems somewhat strange to have them run around in that situation, yes.


It is friday evening. These guys are literally coming from their dining tables and have been called to their duty. There was no time to catch all the uniforms and equipments, guns, wests, com units must be enough.


somewhat related since people asked why they look that way, from BBC:
German tabloid Bild says police are being drafted in from Austria to help in Munich. The Germany-Austria border is just 42 miles (72km) away.

so yeah, they're probably sending out everyone they can spare


That's surprising actually. I heard that police was drafted from Nuremberg, i wouldn't have thought that austrian policemen are allowed to do their job in germany, too.

a big manhunt has started, i just hope they are gonna find them extremely fast

multiple suspects are not confirmed (yet)


That's not true. Munich Police clearly stated "suspects on the run" etc.


Both.

Police has also detained 3 people who are called suspects. It's becoming incresingly clear though that they have nothing to do with it


Three armed people were reported to the police, that's what they go by. As is clearly stated on their twitter as well as their facebook.

While it's true that nobody actually knows how many people in the end did this, the police at the moment is assuming three people. While the three shooters are not confirmed, the reports of them are.

edit:

Die Polizei spricht von einer «akuten Terrorlage» in München. Das gab die Münchner Polizei in einer offiziellen Mitteilung bekannt. Nach dem Attentat in München sind nach Angaben der Polizei drei Täter mit «Langwaffen» auf der Flucht.


The police is talking of an "acute terrorsituation" in munich. That was stated in an official statement of the munich police department. After the attack in munich, three perps with "long-weapons" (rifles of any sort, shotguns, everything with a long barrel) are on the run, munich police reports.
On track to MA1950A.
AngryMag
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany1040 Posts
July 22 2016 20:12 GMT
#150
Guess the fun will continue tomorrow if the perpetrators survive the night.
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
July 22 2016 20:14 GMT
#151
On July 23 2016 05:12 AngryMag wrote:
Guess the fun will continue tomorrow if the perpetrators survive the night.


would be surprising given that Germany is taking Austrian law enforcement in to help the man hunt
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
July 22 2016 20:15 GMT
#152
On July 23 2016 05:12 AngryMag wrote:
Guess the fun will continue tomorrow if the perpetrators survive the night.

i just hope they catch them fast, otherwise it's gonna end with a hostage crisis, as always in that kind of situation
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
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SoSexy
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Italy3725 Posts
July 22 2016 20:18 GMT
#153
Bbc said that special forces are coming to Munich. I don't get this - it's been nearly 4 hours. What were they waiting for? How come they still didn't get them and had to call police from Austria too??
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m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-22 20:21:15
July 22 2016 20:18 GMT
#154
On July 23 2016 05:14 amazingxkcd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2016 05:12 AngryMag wrote:
Guess the fun will continue tomorrow if the perpetrators survive the night.


would be surprising given that Germany is taking Austrian law enforcement in to help the man hunt


Still doubting that.

edit: only source stating this is http://www.bild.de/ - might wanna have a look at their general webpage, and then judge.

edit2

Bbc said that special forces are coming to Munich. I don't get this - it's been nearly 4 hours. What were they waiting for? How come they still didn't get them and had to call police from Austria too??


That's two hour old news.
On track to MA1950A.
REDBLUEGREEN
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Germany1904 Posts
July 22 2016 20:18 GMT
#155
On July 23 2016 04:49 Incognoto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2016 04:31 REDBLUEGREEN wrote:
On July 23 2016 03:44 amazingxkcd wrote:
On July 23 2016 03:43 NihiLStarcraft wrote:
On July 23 2016 03:40 amazingxkcd wrote:
On July 23 2016 03:39 sharkie wrote:
On July 23 2016 03:38 OtherWorld wrote:
On July 23 2016 03:33 sharkie wrote:
On July 23 2016 03:31 Dan HH wrote:
On July 23 2016 03:29 sharkie wrote:
[quote]

No but I am sick of people saying this is a one time thing only. Of course this is horrible but we need to start doing stuff to stop this shit.

What stuff would that be?


Close off borders and start searching flats and houses and get rid of any weapons.
My house is wide open for police to search, I got nothing to hide.

and yes that would take ages, its still better than doing nothing ffs

A knife can be a weapon, a truck can be a weapon, anything can be a weapon. Do we prevent people from having cutting objects and cars as well?


Fine, guns. You happy?


i prefer the remove kebab route. aint gonna give up my guns when they're around


Straight up racism when nobody even knows any details yet. And you can't be reported because of mod status(?). Nice.


ill retact this comment if the shooter isnt a muslim

Dude are you fucking serious? Think about what you are saying here, you prefer ethnic cleansing over giving up your guns? Actually very close to emailing Afreeca...


He's right to.

It's not ethnic cleansing as much as it's making sure that all people in society have common values.

My grandfather visited today and he took out his pocket knife and showed it to me as we were on the couch together. He explained what a German person had once told him on how to properly sharpen a knife. I just realized that I was chill on the couch with my grandfather while he had a lethal weapon in his hand. I realized it was perfectly fine because I've known my grandfather my entire life.

You replace him with someone else, then I'd not be as comfortable seeing a sharp knife so close to me.

You replace him with someone who is known for violence and who doesn't agree with the values I have (secularism, free speech, women aren't to be treated like shit, etc.), then I'm going to nope the fuck away from that couch.

It's the same thing with firearms. amazingxkcd is explaining how he's more than fine living in harmony with people who he can trust easily, even if they're armed with firearms. Fuck's sake. I'm Ok with walking on a side-walk even if 10 trucks pass me during the walk, because I know the trucker drivers are sane people who aren't planning mass murder. Trucks aren't the problem, firearms aren't the problem. People are the problem and that is what amazingxkcd is explaining.

Obviously not all Muslims are like this and also statistically speaking the chances of dying to a terrorist attack are low. That's why most people don't actually support extreme right wing parties or actual segregation and whatnot. However equally stupid would be pretending that there isn't a problem. I agree with amazingxkcd, I'd rather see problem people leave than give up my right to own firearms. 110% agree.

What are you on about? "remove kebab" is a stupid meme about ethnically cleansing muslim bosniaks or muslims in general. It's not about fucking living in harmony with your neighbour or whatever the fuck you just wrote.

I would have taken it just as shitposting a stupid meme until his second post... :S
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-22 20:21:45
July 22 2016 20:20 GMT
#156
On July 23 2016 05:18 m4ini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2016 05:14 amazingxkcd wrote:
On July 23 2016 05:12 AngryMag wrote:
Guess the fun will continue tomorrow if the perpetrators survive the night.


would be surprising given that Germany is taking Austrian law enforcement in to help the man hunt


Still doubting that.

edit: only source stating this is http://www.bild.de/ - might wanna have a look at their general webpage, and then judge.

it's certainly odd... but this part of it seems pretty trustworthy
Münchner Polizei fordert GSG9 und andere Spezialeinheiten an

München (dpa) - Nach dem Attentat in einem Münchner Einkaufszentrum hat die Polizei Spezialeinheiten aus mehreren anderen Bundesländern angefordert. Darunter ist auch das GSG9 der Bundespolizei, wie ein Polizeisprecher der dpa sagte. Die GSG 9 ist ein Spezialkommando der Bundespolizei und wird auch im Anti-Terrorkampf eingesetzt.

basicly what SoSexy said.

Maybe since it's already been some time ago they're afraid that the guys can get out of germany through Austria and the "help" from austrian police is just at the border to ensure they don't get through there? idk
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 22 2016 20:20 GMT
#157
On July 23 2016 05:18 REDBLUEGREEN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2016 04:49 Incognoto wrote:
On July 23 2016 04:31 REDBLUEGREEN wrote:
On July 23 2016 03:44 amazingxkcd wrote:
On July 23 2016 03:43 NihiLStarcraft wrote:
On July 23 2016 03:40 amazingxkcd wrote:
On July 23 2016 03:39 sharkie wrote:
On July 23 2016 03:38 OtherWorld wrote:
On July 23 2016 03:33 sharkie wrote:
On July 23 2016 03:31 Dan HH wrote:
[quote]
What stuff would that be?


Close off borders and start searching flats and houses and get rid of any weapons.
My house is wide open for police to search, I got nothing to hide.

and yes that would take ages, its still better than doing nothing ffs

A knife can be a weapon, a truck can be a weapon, anything can be a weapon. Do we prevent people from having cutting objects and cars as well?


Fine, guns. You happy?


i prefer the remove kebab route. aint gonna give up my guns when they're around


Straight up racism when nobody even knows any details yet. And you can't be reported because of mod status(?). Nice.


ill retact this comment if the shooter isnt a muslim

Dude are you fucking serious? Think about what you are saying here, you prefer ethnic cleansing over giving up your guns? Actually very close to emailing Afreeca...


He's right to.

It's not ethnic cleansing as much as it's making sure that all people in society have common values.

My grandfather visited today and he took out his pocket knife and showed it to me as we were on the couch together. He explained what a German person had once told him on how to properly sharpen a knife. I just realized that I was chill on the couch with my grandfather while he had a lethal weapon in his hand. I realized it was perfectly fine because I've known my grandfather my entire life.

You replace him with someone else, then I'd not be as comfortable seeing a sharp knife so close to me.

You replace him with someone who is known for violence and who doesn't agree with the values I have (secularism, free speech, women aren't to be treated like shit, etc.), then I'm going to nope the fuck away from that couch.

It's the same thing with firearms. amazingxkcd is explaining how he's more than fine living in harmony with people who he can trust easily, even if they're armed with firearms. Fuck's sake. I'm Ok with walking on a side-walk even if 10 trucks pass me during the walk, because I know the trucker drivers are sane people who aren't planning mass murder. Trucks aren't the problem, firearms aren't the problem. People are the problem and that is what amazingxkcd is explaining.

Obviously not all Muslims are like this and also statistically speaking the chances of dying to a terrorist attack are low. That's why most people don't actually support extreme right wing parties or actual segregation and whatnot. However equally stupid would be pretending that there isn't a problem. I agree with amazingxkcd, I'd rather see problem people leave than give up my right to own firearms. 110% agree.

What are you on about? "remove kebab" is a stupid meme about ethnically cleansing muslim bosniaks or muslims in general. It's not about fucking living in harmony with your neighbour or whatever the fuck you just wrote.

I would have taken it just as shitposting a stupid meme until his second post... :S

I learn something new every day. But I am not shocked considering the poster in question.
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Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-22 20:29:14
July 22 2016 20:21 GMT
#158
On July 23 2016 05:18 REDBLUEGREEN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2016 04:49 Incognoto wrote:
On July 23 2016 04:31 REDBLUEGREEN wrote:
On July 23 2016 03:44 amazingxkcd wrote:
On July 23 2016 03:43 NihiLStarcraft wrote:
On July 23 2016 03:40 amazingxkcd wrote:
On July 23 2016 03:39 sharkie wrote:
On July 23 2016 03:38 OtherWorld wrote:
On July 23 2016 03:33 sharkie wrote:
On July 23 2016 03:31 Dan HH wrote:
[quote]
What stuff would that be?


Close off borders and start searching flats and houses and get rid of any weapons.
My house is wide open for police to search, I got nothing to hide.

and yes that would take ages, its still better than doing nothing ffs

A knife can be a weapon, a truck can be a weapon, anything can be a weapon. Do we prevent people from having cutting objects and cars as well?


Fine, guns. You happy?


i prefer the remove kebab route. aint gonna give up my guns when they're around


Straight up racism when nobody even knows any details yet. And you can't be reported because of mod status(?). Nice.


ill retact this comment if the shooter isnt a muslim

Dude are you fucking serious? Think about what you are saying here, you prefer ethnic cleansing over giving up your guns? Actually very close to emailing Afreeca...


He's right to.

It's not ethnic cleansing as much as it's making sure that all people in society have common values.

My grandfather visited today and he took out his pocket knife and showed it to me as we were on the couch together. He explained what a German person had once told him on how to properly sharpen a knife. I just realized that I was chill on the couch with my grandfather while he had a lethal weapon in his hand. I realized it was perfectly fine because I've known my grandfather my entire life.

You replace him with someone else, then I'd not be as comfortable seeing a sharp knife so close to me.

You replace him with someone who is known for violence and who doesn't agree with the values I have (secularism, free speech, women aren't to be treated like shit, etc.), then I'm going to nope the fuck away from that couch.

It's the same thing with firearms. amazingxkcd is explaining how he's more than fine living in harmony with people who he can trust easily, even if they're armed with firearms. Fuck's sake. I'm Ok with walking on a side-walk even if 10 trucks pass me during the walk, because I know the trucker drivers are sane people who aren't planning mass murder. Trucks aren't the problem, firearms aren't the problem. People are the problem and that is what amazingxkcd is explaining.

Obviously not all Muslims are like this and also statistically speaking the chances of dying to a terrorist attack are low. That's why most people don't actually support extreme right wing parties or actual segregation and whatnot. However equally stupid would be pretending that there isn't a problem. I agree with amazingxkcd, I'd rather see problem people leave than give up my right to own firearms. 110% agree.

What are you on about? "remove kebab" is a stupid meme about ethnically cleansing muslim bosniaks or muslims in general. It's not about fucking living in harmony with your neighbour or whatever the fuck you just wrote.

I would have taken it just as shitposting a stupid meme until his second post... :S

Ah right, that's what "remove kebab" means. I literally thought he was insane and hates food. Why is this guy even allowed to say this scot free? I would imagine that any other forum member which decided to advocate ethnic cleansing would be instabanned.
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Zurich15365 Posts
July 22 2016 20:22 GMT
#160
On July 23 2016 05:18 SoSexy wrote:
Bbc said that special forces are coming to Munich. I don't get this - it's been nearly 4 hours. What were they waiting for? How come they still didn't get them and had to call police from Austria too??

Police from Austria is there to block the borders, not to be called into Munich.

Special forces refers to GSG9 - federal police - to assist SEK, the special forces of the state police.
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