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U.S. Supreme Court legalizes same-sex marriage - Page 11
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DarkPlasmaBall
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DarkPlasmaBall
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On June 28 2015 07:17 Steveling wrote: Disgusting and sad. Going backwards is "progressive" now apparently. User was temp banned for this post and a poor moderation history User was warned for this post | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32087 Posts
On June 28 2015 20:08 xM(Z wrote: that's somewhat fine(one can argue here that in the absence of love, the only reason heterosexual couples form social unions is to procreate) but it's just going around it, around love. the(my) premise here is that many people can and do justify a lot of things with love or in the name of love but once that's done with (ex: here comes the science and proves that love doesn't exist), once they lose their justification, they will ditch their whole pro-LGBT stance all together. this whole thing looks hollow to me. good but hollow. I don't quite get what you're trying to say. But beyond love the core issue here is that the government denies rights and benefits to gay adults who want to consent to marraige simply because of their sexual orientation. That's why it's an equality issue. It has nothing to do with justifyin through love. | ||
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hatestabkill
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YoureFired
United States822 Posts
Religious marriage deals with religion, and is mandated by religious beliefs and practice, and therefore is protected under the First Amendment and can be conducted in ways that are in line with their religious beliefs. The real problem is that religious conservatives/advocates of traditional marriage conflated the two. Absolutely inexcusable and a violation of separation of church and state. | ||
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Grand Symphony
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Same sex marriage is a contradiction in terms and a defiance of both common sense and biology. I’m not saying the end is nigh – I am saying that the the cultural and genetic legacy of people who don’t realize how babies are made nor give value to the people who sacrifice all to raise them is zilch. And rightfully so. | ||
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Grand Symphony
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For more than 50 years, the homosexual activist movement has sought to implement a master plan that has had as its centerpiece the destruction or redesign of the family. Many of these objectives have largely been realized, including widespread support of the gay lifestyle, discrediting of Scriptures that condemn homosexuality or sexual immorality, muzzling of the clergy and Christian media, inclusion of gays and lesbians in all branches of the military, granting of special privileges and rights in the law, overturning laws prohibiting pedophilia, indoctrinating children and future generations through public education, and securing all the legal benefits of marriage for any two or more people who claim to have homosexual tendencies. By promoting what is known as LGBT, we must remember that the “B” stands for bisexuality. That would include acceptance of sexual relations between both genders in groups and among every category of sexual expression outside the bonds of marriage. Now the proponents of LGBT seek to legalize gay and lesbian marriage, which could mean anything or nothing in a few years. Admittedly, there have been various societies in history where homosexuality has flourished, including the biblical cities of Sodom and Gomorrah, in ancient Greece and in the Roman Empire. None of these civilizations survived. Furthermore, even where sexual perversion was tolerated or flourished, the institution of marriage continued to be honored in law and custom. Only in the last few years has what is called “gay marriage” been given equal status with biblical male-female unions. In fact, to date only 18 countries in the world recognize the legitimacy of same-sex marriage. America appears on the verge of becoming No. 19. God help us if we throw the divine plan for humankind on the ash heap of history. Let’s get to the bottom line. If the U.S. Supreme Court redefines marriage to include same-sex unions, I guarantee you that it will not be the end of the matter. An avalanche of court cases will be filed on related issues that can’t even be imagined today. Here are a few that we can foresee: 1. Religious liberty will be assaulted from every side. You can be certain that conservative churches will be dragged into court by the hundreds. Their leaders will be required to hire people who don’t share the beliefs of their denominations and constituents. Pastors may have to officiate at same-sex marriages, and they could be prohibited from preaching certain passages of Scripture. Those who refuse to comply will not only be threatened legally, but many will be protested and picketed by activists. Perhaps this is a worst-case scenario, but maybe not. Prison is also a possibility. 2. Christian businesses and ministries will be made to dance to the government’s tune. We’ve all seen examples of photographers, bakeries and florists being required to serve at gay weddings, on penalty of closure or bankruptcy. This kind of legal oppression is coming all across the nation. 3. Christian colleges may be unable to teach scriptural views of marriage. Any nonprofit Christian organization that opposes same-sex unions, including our own, will likely lose its tax-exempt status. Many will be forced to close their doors. User was warned for this post | ||
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screamingpalm
United States1527 Posts
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JinDesu
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zf
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On June 29 2015 11:51 Grand Symphony wrote:By promoting what is known as LGBT, we must remember that the “B” stands for bisexuality. That would include acceptance of sexual relations between both genders in groups and among every category of sexual expression outside the bonds of marriage. Now the proponents of LGBT seek to legalize gay and lesbian marriage, which could mean anything or nothing in a few years. Now there's a truly terrifying thought. Bisexuality. What could be next? On June 29 2015 11:51 Grand Symphony wrote:In fact, to date only 18 countries in the world recognize the legitimacy of same-sex marriage. America appears on the verge of becoming No. 19. God help us if we throw the divine plan for humankind on the ash heap of history. Re-read the opening post. You're two days late. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45031 Posts
On June 29 2015 11:49 Grand Symphony wrote: This is the moment when the Western world finally jumped the Shark. Same sex marriage is a contradiction in terms and a defiance of both common sense and biology. I’m not saying the end is nigh – I am saying that the the cultural and genetic legacy of people who don’t realize how babies are made nor give value to the people who sacrifice all to raise them is zilch. And rightfully so. 1. Appeal to common sense is a logical fallacy 2. Homosexuality is universal in nature and biology- countless species have gay animals 3. Getting married =/= Having babies. Many straight couples have no intention of having kids, or perhaps they're impotent or too old anyway. 4. Gay couples can totally raise children, just as well as straight couples can. | ||
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Kickstart
United States1941 Posts
People have already pointed out how illogical each of your points are, not that I think logic actually matters to you and your ilk, it clearly doesn't or you would have realized how silly each of your points are. Being religious gives you no right to discriminate against anyone. People's rights don't end where someone else's religious sensibilities begin. I know that fact is hard for the religious conservatives to swallow but they are just going to have to get used to it. If religious business owners don't want to follow the laws that do not permit them to discriminate against people, then they shouldn't have started a business in the first place. In this country, your religious beliefs and teachings aren't above the law; if you want to live in a theocracy where everyone is ruled based on religious beliefs, then you can move to the middle east or something. But outdated beliefs and systems of rule have no place in the modern world~ It's just funny how predictable the outrage from this portion of the population would be. It is just sad that they are coming from a place so illogical and bigoted that all their outrage merits is laughter. It's the same old dated arguments and points that have been dealt with forever now. But like I said, they don't really care about reason or logic, only about their worldview, and no amount of anything that contradicts this predetermined worldview will change their minds. TL:DR; the civilized world doesn't agree with your out-dated and irrelevant view of the world, get over it. | ||
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andrewlt
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micronesia
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Hopefully that quells the fear. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45031 Posts
(NSFW, NSFH) + Show Spoiler + Not Suitable For Work, Not Suitable For Homophobes. | ||
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Kickstart
United States1941 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45031 Posts
On June 29 2015 13:32 Kickstart wrote: The problem is that they will use the same line of thinking when it comes to business owners. While I agree the state can not force religious institutions to marry anyone, the state can force business owners to open their business to everyone. Being a religious person who owns a business does not give that person the right to discriminate against customers when such discrimination is against the law. I think that issue with businesses is independent of the issue of gay marriage. It's not the marriage part that businesses have trouble with... it's the gay part. It was an issue even before the Supreme Court ruling. (As far as I'm aware, the Supreme Court ruling legalizes gay marriage, but doesn't make any new explicit rule about how businesses need to treat customers.) | ||
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Kickstart
United States1941 Posts
On June 29 2015 13:38 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I think that issue with businesses is independent of the issue of gay marriage. It's not the marriage part that businesses have trouble with... it's the gay part. It was an issue even before the Supreme Court ruling. (As far as I'm aware, the Supreme Court ruling legalizes gay marriage, but doesn't make any new explicit rule about how businesses need to treat customers.) Indeed. I was just continuing from what the evangelicals are crying about now. See that dudes epitaph above~ I honestly try to keep away from most places that discuss this because in most online places the only people bothering to come on and rant are the fundies. But even from this thread you can see they are already going on about different issues relating to 'gays' in general. Or pulling nonsense like 'the gays wont be happy with just this victory' or equally silly things. They would prefer that the entire issue was dealt with like it was not long ago where society in general didn't want to know about it and if they found out about it the involved parties were expected to either kill themselves, go to prison, or be subjected to whatever other punishments were deemed appropriate. Should serve as a reminder to everyone that there are still a number of people out there who would prefer to see peoples whom they dislike treated poorly. Such people need to be told off~ | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45031 Posts
On June 29 2015 13:51 Kickstart wrote: Indeed. I was just continuing from what the evangelicals are crying about now. See that dudes epitaph above~ I honestly try to keep away from most places that discuss this because in most online places the only people bothering to come on and rant are the fundies. But even from this thread you can see they are already going on about different issues relating to 'gays' in general. Or pulling nonsense like 'the gays wont be happy with just this victory' or equally silly things. They would prefer that the entire issue was dealt with like it was not long ago where society in general didn't want to know about it and if they found out about it the involved parties were expected to either kill themselves, go to prison, or be subjected to whatever other punishments were deemed appropriate. Should serve as a reminder to everyone that there are still a number of people out there who would prefer to see peoples whom they dislike treated poorly. Such people need to be told off~ Very true. Agreed | ||
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Grand Symphony
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On June 29 2015 13:51 Kickstart wrote: I honestly try to keep away from most places that discuss this because in most online places the only people bothering to come on and rant are the fundies. But even from this thread you can see they are already going on about different issues relating to 'gays' in general. Or pulling nonsense like 'the gays wont be happy with just this victory' or equally silly things. They would prefer that the entire issue was dealt with like it was not long ago where society in general didn't want to know about it and if they found out about it the involved parties were expected to either kill themselves, go to prison, or be subjected to whatever other punishments were deemed appropriate. Male homosexuals are prone to cancer (especially anal cancer, which is almost unheard-of in male heterosexuals) and various sexually transmitted diseases, in part because of the high degree of promiscuity. The nature of sodomy contributes to the problem among male homosexuals. The rectum is not designed for sex. It is very fragile. Indeed, its fragility and tendency to tear and bleed is one factor making anal sex such an efficient means of transmitting the AIDS and hepatitis viruses. | ||
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