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On January 07 2015 23:21 ahswtini wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 23:13 VelJa wrote:
I am talking to you
You promoted a violent video where we saw a man shooting another one full headshot while he is already on the groud
what's you fucking problem
Do you enjoy watching video of executions ?
Do you understand that there is no point by putting here a link of this kind of video ?
This add nothing to the debates !
This is just promoted violence No I take no joy or entertainment from watching people die. But it's a sobering reminder of how brutal these people are. And it's different from reading about it or listening to another person describe it. I'm not saying everyone needs to watch it to truly "appreciate" the depravity, and that's why I spoilered it with a warning.
Who do you mean with "these people". Hopefully terrorists in general, because Breivik e.g. was a right wing kinda christian.
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On January 07 2015 22:03 Biff The Understudy wrote:
What is really telling is that those islamists cunts don't target the racist anti-muslim far right.
They didn't target Minute which is an openly fascist anti-arab anti-muslim newspaper. They didn't target Eric Zemmour that calls for all muslims in France to be deported. They didn't target Marine Le Pen and her neo fascist discourse.
They target free thinkers, people with no hatred, people whose weapon is humour and satire.
On January 07 2015 22:36 GreenHorizons wrote:
There is no reason for them to attack the open hate groups like you mention (They have already achieved what these types of attacks are meant to achieve on them). Their mission is to inspire a global war for/against Islam.
The point of the strategy is to inflame average people against the generic thought of Islam/The West as opposed to the specific radicals who wear it as a shield or the specific hate type groups you mention.
Every person haphazardly conflating all of Islam with Terrorism is a win for the terrorist. Every person that says events like this or people like the gunmen are acting on behalf of Islam confirms the propaganda that the attackers have been fed.
I don't understand how people still can't understand that stripping these people and their actions of any religious context is the single most offensive thing people can do to the terrorist.
Calling them Muslim, mentioning "Allahu Akbar" being said, referencing Jihad, and generic anti-Muslim hate is precisely what the terrorist want people to do. They want random westerners to be afraid and defensive when they hear "Allahu Akbar".
They are more afraid of being made fun of than they are being called the intended insults (Jihadist's, Terrorists, etc... that are basically compliments and confirmations)
It's the same reason that NK got all but hurt about "The Interview". They fear being thought of as a joke a hell of a lot more than they fear being called the things people think are insulting them.
When they show footage of westerners being "terrorized" and in fear that's a lot better propaganda for them to use than if everyone was laughing at their fails like the "underwear bomber"
If you made a comic of a terror leader blowing up a school they'll just play it off like another western media thing. You draw a cartoon of a terror leader getting admonished by the spirit of a respected religious leader or made into a joke and they will lose their shit.
This.
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On January 07 2015 23:21 ahswtini wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 23:13 VelJa wrote:
I am talking to you
You promoted a violent video where we saw a man shooting another one full headshot while he is already on the groud
what's you fucking problem
Do you enjoy watching video of executions ?
Do you understand that there is no point by putting here a link of this kind of video ?
This add nothing to the debates !
This is just promoted violence No I take no joy or entertainment from watching people die. But it's a sobering reminder of how brutal these people are. And it's different from reading about it or listening to another person describe it. I'm not saying everyone needs to watch it to truly "appreciate" the depravity, and that's why I spoilered it with a warning.
You broke TL Policy and a mod kindly removed your video - You getting butthurt about it really is irrelevant.
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Northern Ireland22213 Posts
On January 07 2015 23:23 heliusx wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 23:21 ahswtini wrote:On January 07 2015 23:13 VelJa wrote:
I am talking to you
You promoted a violent video where we saw a man shooting another one full headshot while he is already on the groud
what's you fucking problem
Do you enjoy watching video of executions ?
Do you understand that there is no point by putting here a link of this kind of video ?
This add nothing to the debates !
This is just promoted violence No I take no joy or entertainment from watching people die. But it's a sobering reminder of how brutal these people are. And it's different from reading about it or listening to another person describe it. I'm not saying everyone needs to watch it to truly "appreciate" the depravity, and that's why I spoilered it with a warning. It is disrespectful. I agree with you otherwise, I just don't think it's worth disrespecting that man that gave his life in service. Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 23:23 VelJa wrote:On January 07 2015 23:21 ahswtini wrote:On January 07 2015 23:13 VelJa wrote:
I am talking to you
You promoted a violent video where we saw a man shooting another one full headshot while he is already on the groud
what's you fucking problem
Do you enjoy watching video of executions ?
Do you understand that there is no point by putting here a link of this kind of video ?
This add nothing to the debates !
This is just promoted violence No I take no joy or entertainment from watching people die. But it's a sobering reminder of how brutal these people are. And it's different from reading about it or listening to another person describe it. I'm not saying everyone needs to watch it to truly "appreciate" the depravity, and that's why I spoilered it with a warning. Oh ok It's fine my bad, because U SPOILED IT AND U PUT A WARNING. Sir, i'm not even talking with you any more, you are a retarded moron, you won't understand anything, fine, i'll just ignore you Stop acting so childish.
I agree in hindsight it was in bad taste for TL, I figured spoilered and with a description people could make an informed decision about whether or not to watch it. That's all I'm going to say further on the topic
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On January 07 2015 23:24 Telenil wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 22:03 Biff The Understudy wrote:
What is really telling is that those islamists cunts don't target the racist anti-muslim far right.
They didn't target Minute which is an openly fascist anti-arab anti-muslim newspaper. They didn't target Eric Zemmour that calls for all muslims in France to be deported. They didn't target Marine Le Pen and her neo fascist discourse.
They target free thinkers, people with no hatred, people whose weapon is humour and satire. This.
the pen is mightier than the sword.
god what a shitty day when good people die...
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On January 07 2015 22:49 Silvanel wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 22:36 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 07 2015 22:03 Biff The Understudy wrote:
What is really telling is that those islamists cunts don't target the racist anti-muslim far right.
They didn't target Minute which is an openly fascist anti-arab anti-muslim newspaper. They didn't target Eric Zemmour that calls for all muslims in France to be deported. They didn't target Marine Le Pen and her neo fascist discourse.
They target free thinkers, people with no hatred, people whose weapon is humour and satire. There is no reason for them to attack the open hate groups like you mention (They have already achieved what these types of attacks are meant to achieve on them). Their mission is to inspire a global war for/against Islam. The point of the strategy is to inflame average people against the generic thought of Islam/The West as opposed to the specific radicals who wear it as a shield or the specific hate type groups you mention. Every person haphazardly conflating all of Islam with Terrorism is a win for the terrorist. Every person that says events like this or people like the gunmen are acting on behalf of Islam confirms the propaganda that the attackers have been fed. I don't understand how people still can't understand that stripping these people and their actions of any religious context is the single most offensive thing people can do to the terrorist. Calling them Muslim, mentioning "Allahu Akbar" being said, referencing Jihad, and generic anti-Muslim hate is precisely what the terrorist want people to do. They want random westerners to be afraid and defensive when they hear "Allahu Akbar". They are more afraid of being made fun of than they are being called the intended insults (Jihadist's, Terrorists, etc... that are basically compliments and confirmations) It's the same reason that NK got all but hurt about "The Interview". They fear being thought of as a joke a hell of a lot more than they fear being called the things people think are insulting them. When they show footage of westerners being "terrorized" and in fear that's a lot better propaganda for them to use than if everyone was laughing at their fails like the "underwear bomber" If you made a comic of a terror leader blowing up a school they'll just play it off like another western media thing. You draw a cartoon of a terror leader getting admonished by the spirit of a respected religious leader or made into a joke and they will lose their shit. TLDR: Terrorists appreciate it when westerners make them sound like scary terrorist monster Jihadists acting on behalf of Islam. They hate it when you strip their actions of any religious significance and when you act like it doesn't scare you/ give the perception you think they are a joke (while still treating them like the threat they actually represent) Also these guys look trained to some degree. Much different than the recent attack in Australia. EDIT: I notice I was ninja'd a bit, I've never been so pleasantly surprised to see that there actually are several people here who get what the points of these attacks actually are. You are kinda missing the point here. We are not making them looking scary. Those guys are scary, and should be threated as such. Look when making fun of them got those people at Charlie Hebdo. They are dead. 12 people are dead and possibly more. I know there is no perfect solution but right now something is terribly wrong. + Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler +
I am not the least bit scared of these types of people. When I wake up in the morning I'm going to do at least a dozen things that are more likely to kill or hurt me.
It's like being terrified of some stranger kidnapping your kid, when in all likelihood it's your family or friends who are way more likely to take them. People have an irrational fear (kidnapping by a stranger) and while focusing on that irrational fear, they ignore basic precautions to the significant and real threats they face.
It's because if you trust your creepy uncle with your kid and he runs off and rapes your kid, everyone feels bad for you, and sympathizes. If your kid gets snatched at a park while you deal with a sudden case of the squirts everyone critiques you and wonders what kind of a parent could allow such a thing. "She should of took her kid" "Yeah sure she HAD to go to the bathroom" "etc.."
Or the terror version:
If a corporation sells a product that kills ~half a million people (just in the US) no one is scared no one blames the government for the deaths, life goes on. If some whackjobs kill a dozen or so people, suddenly the government is failing and the terrorists are winning, sharia law is just around the corner.
I'm saying playing into the hysteria doesn't help anyone but the people who commit these acts.
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On January 07 2015 23:24 Telenil wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 22:03 Biff The Understudy wrote:
What is really telling is that those islamists cunts don't target the racist anti-muslim far right.
They didn't target Minute which is an openly fascist anti-arab anti-muslim newspaper. They didn't target Eric Zemmour that calls for all muslims in France to be deported. They didn't target Marine Le Pen and her neo fascist discourse.
They target free thinkers, people with no hatred, people whose weapon is humour and satire. This.
They target Charlie only beacause of this kind of comics who represent her prophet:
![[image loading]](http://cdn-lejdd.ladmedia.fr/var/lejdd/storage/images/media/images/medias/presse-ecrite/charlie-hebdo-une-mahomet2/6337281-1-fre-FR/charlie-hebdo-une-Mahomet.jpg)
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On January 07 2015 23:28 ahswtini wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 23:23 heliusx wrote:On January 07 2015 23:21 ahswtini wrote:On January 07 2015 23:13 VelJa wrote:
I am talking to you
You promoted a violent video where we saw a man shooting another one full headshot while he is already on the groud
what's you fucking problem
Do you enjoy watching video of executions ?
Do you understand that there is no point by putting here a link of this kind of video ?
This add nothing to the debates !
This is just promoted violence No I take no joy or entertainment from watching people die. But it's a sobering reminder of how brutal these people are. And it's different from reading about it or listening to another person describe it. I'm not saying everyone needs to watch it to truly "appreciate" the depravity, and that's why I spoilered it with a warning. It is disrespectful. I agree with you otherwise, I just don't think it's worth disrespecting that man that gave his life in service. On January 07 2015 23:23 VelJa wrote:On January 07 2015 23:21 ahswtini wrote:On January 07 2015 23:13 VelJa wrote:
I am talking to you
You promoted a violent video where we saw a man shooting another one full headshot while he is already on the groud
what's you fucking problem
Do you enjoy watching video of executions ?
Do you understand that there is no point by putting here a link of this kind of video ?
This add nothing to the debates !
This is just promoted violence No I take no joy or entertainment from watching people die. But it's a sobering reminder of how brutal these people are. And it's different from reading about it or listening to another person describe it. I'm not saying everyone needs to watch it to truly "appreciate" the depravity, and that's why I spoilered it with a warning. Oh ok It's fine my bad, because U SPOILED IT AND U PUT A WARNING. Sir, i'm not even talking with you any more, you are a retarded moron, you won't understand anything, fine, i'll just ignore you Stop acting so childish. I agree in hindsight it was in bad taste for TL, I figured spoilered and with a description people could make an informed decision about whether or not to watch it. That's all I'm going to say further on the topic
If you can't realize you did something stupid at best and apologize, maybe you could at least stop arguing. Thanks.
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Bernard Maris (former member of ATTAC, left wing economist) COULD have been killed too. (Not confirmed officially yet)
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Time to tag their prophet i guess
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#CharlieHebdo guys
it was a massacre. Only one cop in the building to protect all redaction... 3 guys with kalash+rocket launchers.... There was no chance. No one
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i hope the french french draw the right conclusions and just keep on with their lives without overreacting.
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On January 07 2015 23:34 VelJa wrote:
#CharlieHebdo guys
it was a massacre. Only one cop in the building to protect all redaction... 3 guys with kalash+rocket launchers.... There was no chance. No one
The rocket launcher is not confirmed.
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France9034 Posts
On January 07 2015 23:17 SatedSC2 wrote:
I bloody hate religion.
I truly do.
You have your right to do so, but this is not religion. Do not make the terrible mistake of putting everyone in the same basket.
This is the first step towards even more violence and hatred.
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On January 07 2015 23:35 Aeromi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 23:34 VelJa wrote:
#CharlieHebdo guys
it was a massacre. Only one cop in the building to protect all redaction... 3 guys with kalash+rocket launchers.... There was no chance. No one The rocket launcher is not confirmed.
In fact it has been denied by the authorities.
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Heart goes out to everyone in France right now, especially the victims.
German TITANIC magazine that is very similar and has published Islam Satire before as well reacted in a very unique way:
+ Show Spoiler ++++ Nach einem Anschlag auf das französische Satiremagazin Charlie Hebdo reagiert die TITANIC-Redaktion mit Solidarität ("Au weia!") und Standfestigkeit ("Wir machen weiter Witze – gleich nach der Mittagspause!") +++ UPDATE: Erste Versehrte sind zu beklagen, Kopfschmerzen nach lästigen Anrufen ("Hallo, Gamperl vom Tittlinger Wochenblatt, hätten Sie ein Statement für uns?") und dem Lesen von Facebook-Kommentaren ("Ihr Feiglinge Warum habt ihr euch Nicht erschiessen lassen?? Seit wohl zu feig dazu was?") +++ UPDATE: Langsam verfestigt sich redaktionsintern die Meinung, daß Mord "eher nicht so gut" wäre, Anschläge auf Satiremagazine "unangenehm". +++ TERRORHINWEIS: Für 16 Uhr ist in der TITANIC-Redaktion eine Pressekonferenz angesetzt, bei der RTL, Hessischer Rundfunk, Frankfurter Rundschau und sämtliche weitere Privat- und Systemmedien anwesend sind. Für Terroristen bietet sich hier die Möglichkeit, nicht nur eine Satireredaktion auszulöschen, sondern auch die gesamte deutsche Lügenpresse. Es gibt Schnittchen (hinterher)!
(Google Translate)
+++ After an attack on the French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo the TITANIC editorial reacts with solidarity ("Oh dear!") And stability ("We continue jokes - right after the lunch break!") +++ UPDATE: First maimed are to complain headache after annoying calls ("Hello, Gamperl from Tittlinger weekly, you would have a statement for us?") and reading Facebook comments ("cowards Why did you Do not get shot ?? Since probably too cowardly to what?: rather not so good "would be attacks on Satire Magazine" unpleasant ") +++ UPDATE The editorial department is of the opinion that murder is unpleasant" ". +++ NOTE FOR TERRORISTS: For 16 clock, a press conference is scheduled in the TITANIC editors, are present at the RTL, Hessischer Rundfunk, Frankfurter Rundschau and all other private and system media. For terrorists, this is an opportunity to not only extinguish a satire editors, but also the entire German liar press. There are sandwiches (afterwards)!
Martin Sonneborn, former chief editor of TITANIC and now in the EU Parliament for the satire party "DIE PARTEI":
Im Moment kommen viele Presseanfragen zu den Geschehnissen in Paris. Ich habe der dpa vorhin drei Sätze dazu gesagt und nicht die Absicht, dem noch etwas hinzuzufügen:
"Das ist nicht komisch. Mit Anzeigen, Abokündigungen oder Kalaschnikow-Geballer auf Satire zu reagieren, gilt in der Szene als unfein. Unser Mitleid gilt den Franz. Kollegen. Bei Titanic könnte so etwas nicht passieren, wir haben nur 6 Redakteure."
My translation:
We have a lot of press inquiries about the incidents in Paris in the moment. I've told the dpa(german press agency) three sentences about that and don't intend to write anything more:
"This is not funny. To react to satire with criminal charges, subscription cancellations or Kalashnikov banging is considered rude in the scene. Our sympathies/compassion goes to our french colleagues. This could not have happened at the TITANIC, since we only have 6 editors."
Very interesting reaction to say the least. They basically just continue with their satirical attitude and only stop in one sentence to show sympathies for the victims in one sentence, and even that is unusal.
Also:
On January 07 2015 23:35 Ragnarork wrote:You have your right to do so, but this is not religion. Do not make the terrible mistake of putting everyone in the same basket. This is the first step towards even more violence and hatred.
It might not BE religion, but it's certainly part of it.
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On January 07 2015 23:36 Furikawari wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 23:35 Aeromi wrote:On January 07 2015 23:34 VelJa wrote:
#CharlieHebdo guys
it was a massacre. Only one cop in the building to protect all redaction... 3 guys with kalash+rocket launchers.... There was no chance. No one The rocket launcher is not confirmed. In fact it has been denied by the authorities.
ok. sorry
Where did u get info please? i'm reading Le Monde & 20 Minutes
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