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Silvanel
Poland4751 Posts
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Noizhende
Austria328 Posts
this burka stuff is just a diversion anyway, you don't really do anything against political islam as long as you don't crack down on the financiers and networks of radical propaganda in mosques, schools, kindergardens. (it's kinda like banning nazi clothes, which also won't stop the spread of nazi ideas unless you destroy their networks) big up big J, go vote mushroom list! :D | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28789 Posts
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Simberto
Germany11813 Posts
On October 10 2017 19:44 Liquid`Drone wrote: religious symbols in public surely encompasses a cross-necklace, no? Which is why it would be unpopular with large parts of the population. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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Simberto
Germany11813 Posts
On October 10 2017 20:29 Dangermousecatdog wrote: I beleive the French ban religious symbols in public institutions including the cross. That makes sense, because it is a completely different thing. Not having people who represent the state display religious affiliations is about separation of state and church. Disallowing religious symbols for everyone is a completely different thing, and obviously runs into problems with freedom of religion. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On October 10 2017 19:07 Noizhende wrote: you could mb ban religious symbols in public, although then again you'd have to define those and that wouldn't be popular with a big majority this burka stuff is just a diversion anyway, you don't really do anything against political islam as long as you don't crack down on the financiers and networks of radical propaganda in mosques, schools, kindergardens. (it's kinda like banning nazi clothes, which also won't stop the spread of nazi ideas unless you destroy their networks) big up big J, go vote mushroom list! :D "The difference between you and me Mr. Kurz is that I studied economics and you learned ÖVP." Made me cast my vote immidiately, and in the aftermath it turns out I was completely right not to vote for the SPÖ just because of Christian Kern. A swallow does not make a summer!  | ||
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Noizhende
Austria328 Posts
On October 10 2017 21:01 Big J wrote: "The difference between you and me Mr. Kurz is that I studied economics and you learned ÖVP." Made me cast my vote immidiately, and in the aftermath it turns out I was completely right not to vote for the SPÖ just because of Christian Kern. A swallow does not make a summer! haha, yeah, well done  | ||
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
(only have a German stream of it, so cant link it here) | ||
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
- thanks to everyone - Spain is evil - thanks to everyone - as a consequence of the referendum,demanding a new referendum ala Scotland - thanks to everyone - citing the referendum law, that independence has to be declared 2 days after the result in case more people vote in favor than against - citing the referendum results, greatest referendum victory of all time for independence -> asking the parliament to postpone the declaration of independence (ha, here he got everyone! brilliant speech writing! no... really awful...) - demanding dialogue and deescalation, mentioning all those mediators (Obama, Annan) who offered themselves. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On October 11 2017 02:48 mahrgell wrote: So summary: - thanks to everyone - Spain is evil - thanks to everyone - as a consequence of the referendum,demanding a new referendum ala Scotland - thanks to everyone - citing the referendum law, that independence has to be declared 2 days after the result in case more people vote in favor than against - citing the referendum results, greatest referendum victory of all time for independence -> asking the parliament to postpone the declaration of independence (ha, here he got everyone! brilliant speech writing! no... really awful...) - demanding dialogue and deescalation, mentioning all those mediators (Obama, Annan) who offered themselves. Genius politician: how to do nothing while pleasing none of the sides. | ||
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Deleuze
United Kingdom2102 Posts
On October 11 2017 03:15 TheDwf wrote: Genius politician: how to do nothing while pleasing none of the sides. “You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, and you can please none of the people all of the time.” | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18277 Posts
1. Independentist parties are not banned and win the elections by a landslide. We're back where we started, but with more CUP (and who the fuck wants that?) 2. Independentist parties are banned for the new election. A farcical sham of an election results in a parliament nobody has any confidence in and is considered a puppet government of Madrid. Meanwhile the real politics happens in the street, with mass protests, chaos and possibly a lot of violence. Both seem pretty disastrous, so avoiding article 155 being invoked is key to me being able to continue going to work peacefully. This non-DUI might just have done enough to avoid the radical independentist base going nuts, and also avoiding Rajoy outright removing the Catalan government. Either way, there is now a glimmer of hope that talks will open up and possibly a way of changing the constitution and allowing Catalunya more autonomy and maybe even a legal route to indepence (which I hope would be rejected if more financial autonomy is granted first). | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10142 Posts
Edit - I don't know if they will invoke the article 155, but i doubt it. Even if the international mafia leaders continue to support the state of law in Spain, i am sure that behind the curtains the are pushing Rajoy into not going full retard. Or atleast, i hope that's what is going on. Edit 2 - From listening to Albiol (PP's leader on Catalonian), it seems likely Rajoy will go full retard, or atleast his peons are paving the way and probing the media about it. | ||
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sc-darkness
856 Posts
P.S. I'm neutral. I don't support either side and I'm not Spanish. | ||
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Deleted User 26513
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Argonauta
Spain4967 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
Attacking the European flag is no longer the prerogative of the far-right, as Jean Luc Mélenchon’s far left party “France Insoumise” are just having a go at it. EURACTIV France reports. The latest assault on the European flag came from deputies of the radical left party “France Insoumise” on Wednesday (4 October). Various French parliamentarians, captained by former MEP Jean Luc Mélenchon, tabled an amendment seeking to replace the European flag hanging in the chamber of deputies with a UN flag. The amendment sought to restrict the flags allowed in the parliament to “only the French and UN flags.” Presented by Ugo Bernalicis on Wednesday, the amendment was motivated by France Insoumise’s opposition to the European Union “as it is today.” The amendment was rejected by a majority vote. Controversy But the controversy did not stop there. Francois de Rugy, speaker of the French parliament elected with Macron’s party, was astonished by the proposal. “Where did they get this from?” he asked. Benjamin Griveaux, secretary of state at the Ministry of finance and economics, mocked Jean Luc Mélenchon on Twitter, reminding him that he had been a well-paid MEP for 8 years. The attack by France Insoumise on the European flag is not the first. Upon entering the French parliament for the first time in June, the former presidential candidate Jean-Luc Mélenchon expressed annoyance with the EU flag hanging next to the French flag. Attacking the EU’s symbols used to be a prerogative of the far-right. The EU flag had been lambasted by Front National politicians and had been taken down from numerous city halls where the anti-European party had won the mayoral elections. During the presidential campaign, Marine Le Pen announced in a televised debate that she would remove EU flags from public buildings, a policy item that she included in her party’s program in the run-up to the election. Unsurprisingly, the proposal by France Insoumise was applauded by the far-right. Le Pen’s former second-in-command, MEP Florian Philippot, took the battle to Twitter: “Of course, we need to remove from our national parliament the cloth of the European oligarchy”. Philippot had recently quit the FN and joined the far-right group Europe of Freedom and Direct Democracy, chaired by Nigel Farage of UKIP. source Mélenchon still working hard to redeem the horseshoe theory | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On October 11 2017 06:30 Nyxisto wrote: source Mélenchon still working hard to redeem the horseshoe theory Very original "You love dogs, Hitler had a German shepherd, so you're a nazi" piece of article. | ||
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