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SoSexy
Italy3725 Posts
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zatic
Zurich15365 Posts
On July 19 2016 20:20 SoSexy wrote: Not true - they have access to Welfare in a way that does not apply to natives. Also you guys justifying everything make me sick. Do you even have respect for your country, the people who died for it, your grandparents? You would sell your soul for political correctness... I have very little respect for the country my grandparents fought for, no. But then I don't get how that is relevant at all when discussing immigration in the first place. Or what "political correctness" has to do with any of that. Seems to me that by this point this is just a blanket term for "things I don't agree with". | ||
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SoSexy
Italy3725 Posts
On July 19 2016 21:15 zatic wrote: I have very little respect for the country my grandparents fought for, no. But then I don't get how that is relevant at all when discussing immigration in the first place. Or what "political correctness" has to do with any of that. Seems to me that by this point this is just a blanket term for "things I don't agree with". How fascinating - exactly the definition created by the political spectrum you belong to  | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6274 Posts
On July 19 2016 20:20 SoSexy wrote: Not true - they have access to Welfare in a way that does not apply to natives. Also you guys justifying everything make me sick. Do you even have respect for your country, the people who died for it, your grandparents? You would sell your soul for political correctness... And how is this welfare going to make them more fertile? People can come here to work from all over the world if they want. I don't care. All people are equal. Being born in a country doesn't give some god given right to get a job over someone else. | ||
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Sent.
Poland9299 Posts
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GoTuNk!
Chile4591 Posts
On July 19 2016 21:51 RvB wrote: And how is this welfare going to make them more fertile? People can come here to work from all over the world if they want. I don't care. All people are equal. Being born in a country doesn't give some god given right to get a job over someone else. Because economic constraints is the main factor in people having few children. Natives have very few to pay the high income tax necessary to sustain the welfare of the inmigrants, who have lots of children. State funded cuckold. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10884 Posts
By your logic rich People should drown in children, yet they have less than poor People. Did you even think for a second before you wrote that? | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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RvB
Netherlands6274 Posts
Edit: @ legallord how are to costs minimal for poor people. They still have to feed kids and send them to school and all. Stuff like that is hardly easy to pay when you're having trouble making ends meet. It's a lot bigger percentage of their income. | ||
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GoTuNk!
Chile4591 Posts
On July 19 2016 23:23 RvB wrote: His whole point makes no sense. Immigrants and people on welfare have less money available (the whole reason they receive welfare obviously). The amount of tax payers also outnumbers immigrants who need welfare by a lot. Edit: @ legallord how are to costs minimal for poor people. They still have to feed kids and send them to school and all. Stuff like that is hardly easy to pay when you're having trouble making ends meet. It's a lot bigger percentage of their income. Because they are less responsible than people with higher income and rely on the welfare state? They know children won't starve to death and kinda wing it from there. The stats are pretty damn clear on this if one takes the time to search them (poorer people/inmigrants have more children than middle class). | ||
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farvacola
United States18857 Posts
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RvB
Netherlands6274 Posts
On July 19 2016 23:29 GoTuNk! wrote: Because they are less responsible than people with higher income and rely on the welfare state? They know children won't starve to death and kinda wing it from there. The stats are pretty damn clear on this if one takes the time to search them (poorer people/inmigrants have more children than middle class). There is a difference yes. The difference rapidly decreases though. Basically the first generation has more kids and then the higher fertility already stops. You could make the point that poorer have mlre children because they are less able to oversee the consequences of their actions (I don't know if this is true) but then welfare and money has nothing to do with it (which was the point made). Like the birth rate, the TFR of immigrants has declined more rapidly than the TFR for natives since 2008. In 2008, immigrant women had a TFR of 2.75 children; by 2013 it had fallen to 2.22 — a .53 child decline. For natives it declined from 2.07 to 1.79 — a .28 child decline. If present trends continue, the TFR of immigrants may drop below 2.1 in the next few years, the level necessary to replace the existing population. An immigrant TFR of less than 2.1 would mean that, in the long run, immigration would add to the aging of American society. cis.org The native-born have a 19% higher total fertility rate, while immigrants have 62% higher fertility. onlinelibrary.wiley.com | ||
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Poland9299 Posts
Now I believe it's mostly a cultural thing. It doesn't change much but at least now I know high welfare doesn't help in increasing fertility rates. edit: by "it" I mean high fertility rate of first generation non-European immigrants | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10884 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Reaps
United Kingdom1280 Posts
On July 20 2016 04:07 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: It now seems to be happening everyday in Europe: https://twitter.com/NeilTurner_/status/755459250814611456 "An eight-year-old girl is fighting for her life after a mum and her three daughters were reportedly stabbed in a French holiday resort for being 'scantily dressed'. Horrific :/ Also ISIS has released a video of the asylum seeker that carried out the German train axe attack. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36832909 | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4416 Posts
Things are very bad there. Anyway new Austrian election set for Oct 2nd after the vote rigging scandal that saw the green candidate win on postal votes was exposed. So now in October we have Austrian election where the "far right" anti-immigration candidate is likely winner and we also have the Hungarian referendum on accepting refugees which will certainly be rejected. October will be a tough month for the Eurocrat fat cats in Brussels! | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22373 Posts
On July 20 2016 21:49 WhiteDog wrote: Bullshit, civil war will never happen. Revolution maybe. You see any important desire for regional secession in France ? Any party that defend radical ideas ? Or even muslim parties ? Remember who your responding to, don't expect anything resembling reality | ||
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Poland9299 Posts
Now seriously: Nettles can you clarify who you think is going to start a real civil war with the French government? | ||
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