EPT"Putin orders Russia's nuclear deterrence forces on high alert
Russian president Vladimir Putin has ordered military command to put nuclear deterrence forces on high alert after aggressive statements by Nato countries, Reuters reports."
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Mafe
Germany5966 Posts
"Putin orders Russia's nuclear deterrence forces on high alert Russian president Vladimir Putin has ordered military command to put nuclear deterrence forces on high alert after aggressive statements by Nato countries, Reuters reports." | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
MOSCOW. Feb 27 (Interfax) - Russian President Vladimir Putin has ordered placing the Russian army's deterrence forces on a special alert. "Top officials of leading NATO countries make aggressive statements about our country, so I order the defense minister and the chief of the General Staff to put the Russian army's deterrence forces on a special alert," Putin said during a meeting with Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu and Chief of the Russian Armed Forces General Staff Valery Gerasimov. In other news a peace talk may be occurring, but I see no confirmation in any Western source. | ||
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Sermokala
United States13906 Posts
Now the floodgates are open and panzerfaust 3s are going to be in Ukraine. Those are supposed to be fighting the latest tanks Russia has in it's Arsenal and are as easy to use as rpgs. | ||
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SC-Shield
Bulgaria818 Posts
On February 27 2022 22:23 Mafe wrote: Guardian news ticker: "Putin orders Russia's nuclear deterrence forces on high alert Russian president Vladimir Putin has ordered military command to put nuclear deterrence forces on high alert after aggressive statements by Nato countries, Reuters reports." Nice bluff but it's unclear of its motives... E.g. Is Russia that desperate as a result of committing Chechnya and Belarus into this war? Is it because of so called foreign legion? They didn't bother to explain. | ||
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Sermokala
United States13906 Posts
On February 27 2022 22:30 LegalLord wrote: Statement from Interfax (a Russian source): In other news a peace talk may be occurring, but I see no confirmation in any Western source. Putin offered talks but zelensky refused any nation that was launching missiles so not minsk. | ||
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
We have a reports of many casualties from russian side, some of their soldiers surrendered | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On February 27 2022 22:37 Sermokala wrote: Putin offered talks but zelensky refused any nation that was launching missiles so not minsk. Yes, that did happen a few hours ago, but 5 minutes ago Russian news said that a Ukraine delegation might be flying out to the proposed meeting site (Gomel, Belarus). Again, not sure if there's confirmation anywhere. Edit: Details in flux, including location and delegation, and I suppose more importantly if it's actually going to happen. A neutral zone on the Ukraine-Belarus border is also floated as a possible site. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21652 Posts
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r00ty
Germany1050 Posts
I've always been a fan of general conscription and it can be reinstated at any time in case of a threat. | ||
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KobraKay
Portugal4231 Posts
On February 27 2022 22:40 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: If these number are even close to accurate then can't think for a second it will be easy to hide domestically. https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1497895706568237056 apologies for my ignorance regarding military and real world warfare tacticts, but if those numbers are accurate, even accounting for defenders advantage preparation wise, it seems Ukraine is a very strong country military wise, which is something i wasnt expecting. so to my untrained eye, either the casualties on the ukrainian side are even more massive, or there must be some non disclosed "help" doing some magic, no? or these are the sort of numbers to be expected in such an invasion? | ||
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Vivax
21972 Posts
If THAT starts going off, I hope that Ukraine was worth it to you. | ||
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farvacola
United States18825 Posts
On February 27 2022 22:53 KobraKay wrote: apologies for my ignorance regarding military and real world warfare tacticts, but if those numbers are accurate, even accounting for defenders advantage preparation wise, it seems Ukraine is a very strong country military wise, which is something i wasnt expecting. so to my untrained eye, either the casualties on the ukrainian side are even more massive, or there must be some non disclosed "help" doing some magic, no? or these are the sort of numbers to be expected in such an invasion? With the caveat that I am by no means an expert in contemporary military analysis, those numbers being even ball-park accurate suggests to me that there is no technological means of easily addressing the advantage that spirited defenders have in the face of an invasion. Lord knows the US has seen that very thing play out before. On February 27 2022 22:55 Vivax wrote: Russian nuclear forces in special combat mode apparently, whatever that means. Gazprom dude killing himself is also a signpost. If THAT starts going off, I hope that Ukraine was worth it to you. You’re exactly the kind of person Putin hoped was in charge when he started this thing. It’s nice to see he was wrong. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On February 27 2022 22:53 KobraKay wrote: apologies for my ignorance regarding military and real world warfare tacticts, but if those numbers are accurate, even accounting for defenders advantage preparation wise, it seems Ukraine is a very strong country military wise, which is something i wasnt expecting. so to my untrained eye, either the casualties on the ukrainian side are even more massive, or there must be some non disclosed "help" doing some magic, no? or these are the sort of numbers to be expected in such an invasion? Ukraine has a reasonably strong military in size and equipment; probably significantly better than most countries in Eastern Europe. Caveat being that their best equipment is mostly stuff from the Soviet era, which means it's at least 30 years old, and that strength is "on paper" until you actually get into a battle. Estimations of enemy casualties are always going to be on the optimistic side, of course. How optimistic is the real question. | ||
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PoulsenB
Poland7711 Posts
On February 27 2022 22:40 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: If these number are even close to accurate then can't think for a second it will be easy to hide domestically. https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1497895706568237056 Even if you divide these numbers by a factor of 2 or 3, these are still considerable losses for a few days of fighting, especially in vehicles. Modern tanks and aircraft are not cheap. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
Alexander Lukashenko called Vladimir Zelensky. Politicians have agreed that the Ukrainian delegation will meet with the Russian delegation without preconditions on the Ukrainian-Belarusian border, near the Pripyat River. Alexander Lukashenko has taken responsibility for ensuring that all planes, helicopters and missiles stationed on Belarusian territory remain on the ground during the Ukrainian delegation's travel, talks and return. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9615 Posts
On February 27 2022 22:55 Vivax wrote: Russian nuclear forces in special combat mode apparently, whatever that means. Gazprom dude killing himself is also a signpost. If THAT starts going off, I hope that Ukraine was worth it to you. Seems like a desperate, irrational move on Putin's part tbh. There is no actual reason for him to do this other than posturing or some genuine will to see the world destroyed. There are many, many cards to be played before nuclear war is a thing. | ||
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Sadist
United States7219 Posts
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