EPTHard to see China agreeing with that, but who knows.
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Biff The Understudy
France8150 Posts
Hard to see China agreeing with that, but who knows. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/25/putin-facing-efforts-isolate-diplomatically-ukraine | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Biff The Understudy
France8150 Posts
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KwarK
United States44203 Posts
On February 26 2022 01:43 Biff The Understudy wrote: Now this would be gigantic. Diplomats exploring whether Russia’s seat to the Security Council of the UN could be taken away. After the dissolution of the Soviet Union, it was apparently never the subject of a resolution. Hard to see China agreeing with that, but who knows. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/25/putin-facing-efforts-isolate-diplomatically-ukraine It’s not possible and it’s not desirable even if it were possible. The point of the UN is to ensure peace between the postwar great powers, not a general peace. To avoid WW3, not war in general. The UN wants Russia to be able to veto anything that crosses its red lines because the UN is built never to back Russia into a corner. This is seen as an absolute good. The war in Ukraine is not the war the UN was built to prevent. For the UN to meet it’s core purpose Russia must have a permanent seat. Other permanent members are likely to oppose taking away permanent seats on principle too. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8150 Posts
On February 26 2022 01:47 KwarK wrote: It’s not possible and it’s not desirable even if it were possible. The point of the UN is to endure peace between the postwar great powers, not a general peace. To avoid WW3, not war in general. The UN wants Russia to be able to veto anything that crosses its red lines because the UN is built never to back Russia into a corner. This is seen as an absolute good. The war in Ukraine is not the war the UN was built to prevent. For the UN to meet it’s core purpose Russia must have a permanent seat. Other permanent members are likely to oppose taking away permanent seats on principle too. That makes sense. That being said, losing that veto power would immensely weaken Russia diplomatically. But you are wrong on the fact that the UN was not meant to prevent a war like the war in Ukraine, it was founded exactly for that: so that conflicts be resolved diplomatically and to out general rules in the way nations behave with each other. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14162 Posts
Russia can't have their Seat on the security council taken away with all the nukes they hold. Putin only care about respect and that would be making them a Chinese serf publically. | ||
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
On February 26 2022 01:44 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: And now Russia is threatening Finland. https://twitter.com/mfa_russia/status/1497234734765780997 Ukraine is now the poster child of the risks of bordering Russia without belonging to NATO. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
On February 26 2022 01:57 Sermokala wrote: I may not like china for a lot of things but they can be relied on for playing a longer game than anyone has in the world. They will veto any large changes but they will abstain from anything that Russia can't veto. Russia can't have their Seat on the security council taken away with all the nukes they hold. Putin only care about respect and that would be making them a Chinese serf publically. If Russia is exiled from the world economy they might have to. Thus allowing China to buy their bonds etc and become ensnared in a debt trap. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5847 Posts
On February 26 2022 01:00 Simberto wrote: Agreed. I would willingly double my heating costs. This shit needs to be hit hard. I think that we probably don't want to go to war over this, but we should do anything short of that. Absolutely no more trade with Russia. No oil, no gas, no imports, no exports, no banking. Seize anything owned directly or indirectly by russian oligarchs abroad. Isolate Russia from everything. No more travel to or from russia (except for people who want to claim asylum). Hit them hard and with everything we have got. Completely agreed. Just run their economy into the ground FFS... | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
On February 26 2022 00:43 Dav1oN wrote: Blood donation center/hospital in Kharkiv was just bombarded by the artillery, 2 deaths at least 2 wounded, my wife was just 5-10 minutes late for this...Civilian buildings are also shelled I can't fathom what you're going through. Ill join the protests in Paris but sadly it's all i can do. Stay strong and stay safe. | ||
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
On February 26 2022 01:11 JimmiC wrote: Scary times all the best. My wife's grandparents came over during ww2 from western Ukraine, her grandpa passed but her Grandma who is 91 is pretty broken up. It is strange that 75 years later it is happening again. There is a fairly large Ukrainian presence in western Canada, so lots of pressure on our government to support. I know there have been talks about accepting refugees and allowing more. Even a hotline. I know its not enough, hope more comes. https://www.cp24.com/news/canada-must-be-ready-to-welcome-ukrainians-to-safety-expert-1.5795620 Thank you for the tip! Ukrainian diaspora in Canada is one of the biggest afaik, and I guess - it could be a good solution for the future at least. The biggest problem is that it's not possible to leave our country in safety anymore In last two days I have received many words of support and offers to help my family across the EU/US/Canada/even more from TL forum fellas, it matters so much for my family hope! Thank you everyone who got involved. The chances we'll have to accept some of your help is rising, although we still have to wait at this point till it's safe to leave Please, continue spreading the word about this genocide | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27230 Posts
On February 26 2022 01:00 Simberto wrote: Agreed. I would willingly double my heating costs. This shit needs to be hit hard. I think that we probably don't want to go to war over this, but we should do anything short of that. Absolutely no more trade with Russia. No oil, no gas, no imports, no exports, no banking. Seize anything owned directly or indirectly by russian oligarchs abroad. Isolate Russia from everything. No more travel to or from russia (except for people who want to claim asylum). Hit them hard and with everything we have got. How much did Afghanistan and Iraq cost and how much day to day impact did it have on citizens of those who waged it? Nothing? It seems to me that yes, widespread sanctions would have a huge knock-on effect, but surely something that citizens could be insulated from to some meaningful degree. If the will was there, which it Is not. I do believe that be it a cost of living increase and tightening of belts to sanction Russia, or collective action in that regard to deal with climate, that when push comes to shove most won’t bite. But it’s not even being floated as a question for us to collectively answer | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium7009 Posts
I mean Nato inaction maybe open eyes of all this power houses. China could also make a move to Taiwan. shit is looking bad | ||
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Ikirouta
Finland745 Posts
On February 26 2022 02:42 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: Is it to crazy to think Putin just want Nato to do something so China does get involved too ?Findland and Sweden menaces. now.At this point maybe North Korea is getting ready to get the South aswell ? I mean Nato inaction maybe open eyes of all this power houses. China could also make a move to Taiwan. shit is looking bad I don't think its crazy. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22487 Posts
On February 26 2022 02:42 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: I don't know if China would actually get involved if Russia blatantly antagonizes NATO into responding. They tend to work more long term and getting into a war on the side of an unstable Russia is certainly not in their interest.Is it to crazy to think Putin just want Nato to do something so China does get involved too ?Findland and Sweden menaces. now.At this point maybe North Korea is getting ready to get the South aswell ? | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
On February 26 2022 02:42 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: Is it to crazy to think Putin just want Nato to do something so China does get involved too ?Findland and Sweden menaces. now.At this point maybe North Korea is getting ready to get the South aswell ? I mean Nato inaction maybe open eyes of all this power houses. China could also make a move to Taiwan. shit is looking bad I believe Putin was already a madman before, and now he somehow seems even more unhinged. Everything is possible. | ||
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Mafe
Germany5966 Posts
On February 26 2022 02:38 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: So there was, for a brief time, German Special forces in Ukraine? https://twitter.com/MarQs__/status/1497225921128022019 It's confusing. One german website said "security circles" (i.e. they most likely talked to government officials who dont want to be quoted officially) explicitly denied the involvement of any special forces, while another says he was brought across the border by a "special unit of his agency" (BND = german CIA), which to me sounds more like saying "his bodyguards didnt abandon him". | ||
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Canada32754 Posts
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