Distributing condoms in high schools? - Page 12

On December 04 2006 16:49 infinity21 wrote:


First of all, I never said high school students were too dumb to have safe premarital sex. I was referring to the people who WERE having premarital sex. How can you say it won't effect me at all? Do you know if I'm going to have sex before graduation? It's a lot less likely than some jock that I'll have sex by the end of grade 12 but it's ridiculous to say that decision won't effect me at all.

On December 04 2006 16:50 Last Romantic wrote:


Chibi: Oh noes! someone inhibiting progression of pedophilia as accepted fetish?!

Anyways. I think this whole condom business works as a short term fix, because it will lower pregnancies and STDs and all that. But long term, there still needs to be a better plan. Condoms don't work 100% of the time, younger age of sex will grow more and more accepted (Japan age of consent is like... 12) so young people will have sex more and more, and I really doubt the responsibility of 13 year old kids and their ability to use condoms correctly.

So overall, providing condoms would result in long term trend of increases in pregnancies, STDs, etc because more people will have sex, and condoms don't work as well as people think. A major problem is that people put way too much faith in condoms' ability to both a) be a contraceptive and b) keep safe from STD.

And... expensive. I don't want to pay taxes for this. If people want to have sex they can go buy condoms themselves. And yes, I'm against providing welfare for people who got into fiscal trouble by fault of their own. And yes, I think getting pregnant at 16 is really the mother's fault. American free education teaches that sex results in children -.-;; and it should be fairly evident that a child at sixteen won't help your education.

Myths

This information is from a CDC publication titled "Condoms and Their Use in Preventing HIV Infection and Other STD's."

Myth #1: Condoms don't work.
Some persons have expressed concern about studies that report failure rates among couples using condoms for pregnancy prevention. Analysis of these studies indicates that the large range of efficacy rates (effectiveness) is related to incorrect or inconsistent use. In fact, condoms are highly effective for pregnancy prevention, but only when used properly. Incorrect use contributes to the possibility that the condoms could leak at the base or break.

Myth #2: Condoms frequently break.
Some have questioned the quality of latex condoms. Condoms are classified as medical devices and are regulated by the Food and Drug Administration. Every latex condom manufactured in the United States is tested for defects before it is packaged. During the manufacturing process, condoms are double-dipped in latex and undergo stringent quality control procedures. Several studies clearly show that condom breakage rates in this country are less than 2 percent. Most of the breakage is likely due to incorrect usage rather than poor condom quality. Using oil based lubricants can weaken latex, causing the condom to break. In addition, condoms can be weakened by exposure to heat or sunlight or by age, or they can be torn by teeth or fingernails.

Myth #3: HIV can pass through condoms.
A commonly held misperception is that latex condoms contain "holes" that allow passage of HIV. Laboratory studies show that intact latex condoms provide a highly effective barrier to sperm and microorganisms, including HIV and the much smaller hepatitis B virus.

On December 04 2006 16:52 _PulSe_ wrote:
LOL. Man what have i said to "shake your faith" Read my post on page 4-5 or sumtin. It clearly states how I feel. And to his credit I've seen too many girls i cared about as close friends have to drop out and raise a kid. That would be 3. And i think that is WAAAY to many. However, these people had condoms redily accessable and still became pregnant. So i just felt like playing a little devil's advocate there.

On December 04 2006 16:52 _PulSe_ wrote:
LOL. Man what have i said to "shake your faith" Read my post on page 4-5 or sumtin. It clearly states how I feel. And to his credit I've seen too many girls i cared about as close friends have to drop out and raise a kid. That would be 3. And i think that is WAAAY to many. However, these people had condoms readily accessable and still became pregnant. So i just felt like playing a little devil's advocate there.

On December 04 2006 16:52 _PulSe_ wrote:
LOL. Man what have i said to "shake your faith" Read my post on page 4-5 or sumtin. It clearly states how I feel. And to his credit I've seen too many girls i cared about as close friends have to drop out and raise a kid. That would be 3. And i think that is WAAAY to many. However, these people had condoms redily accessable and still became pregnant. So i just felt like playing a little devil's advocate there.

On December 04 2006 16:54 5HITCOMBO wrote:




I would like to know where you get your statistics about increasing pregnancies over the long term from.

Also, if kids get into the practice of safe sex early in life, it's likely that they will keep that practice well into their adult life - at least until they're ready to have children.

And welfare costs a HELL of a lot more than a box of condoms do, so your last argument is pretty weak.

On December 04 2006 04:37 _PulSe_ wrote:
Thats absolutly rediculous not to give teenagers free access to condoms. I'm 17 and believe you me free condoms = good times. Those of you who think that simply giving a kid a condom will make them want to have sex .... how can i put this. If you are choosing not to have sex its like giving a steak to a vegitarian. They simply won't use it and pass it on. You can't expect to simply tell kids to stay abstinant because it just wont happen. No offense or anything sit back and simply preach about abstinance is very ignorant when you should be educating about planned parenthood homes, condom, safe sex, and ...... maybe the kama sutra? Maybe not, that last one but that would be an intersting class.

On December 04 2006 16:58 infinity21 wrote:


A lot more, but fortunately, condoms are available to anyone who seeks it.

On December 04 2006 16:59 Last Romantic wrote:


As far as the welfare thing goes, I don't think we should pay for condoms, or for most of welfare. Much of the welfare money could be saved if people were intelligent and didn't have children at sixteen.

On December 04 2006 17:06 infinity21 wrote:
They are promoting safe sex, which is sex, nonetheless.