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On May 19 2014 23:41 Cynry wrote:Yeah, right, any other. I just looked at the biggest companies, where google ranks 50+, and you'd have to compare them to banks, oil companies, Apple and Microsoft. Could you keep a straith face saying they're the same ? Google isn't "godsent", of course, but at least they haven't screwed us yet, even though they totally could.
Yes. I can. It's not like google can somehow hire more talent than Microsoft or Apple or their company philosophy "do no evil" makes everyone at the company into saints. They follow the same agile development principles as any other big company and have the same types of teams. In human terms they put their pants on one leg at a time.
Stop putting them on a pedestal.
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if they destroy copy pasterinos im gonna flip
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On May 19 2014 23:51 Extenz wrote:
if they destroy copy pasterinos im gonna flip
Could one say you will riot?
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Poland3764 Posts
On May 19 2014 23:06 Derez wrote:
As far as I'm aware twitch hasn't even turned a profit yet so I'm not sure why some people think they'll make a billion over the next few years. YouTube makes about ~5 USD revenue (not profit) per user a year, they have a billion users a month and a great ad system (from a monetization POV). Twitch has 45 million users and a rather crappy ad system.
When G bought YT, it was still earning no profit and it took years to finally make a business out of it.
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Awesome news. Can't believe some people are disappointed... do you guys even business? Holy cow this is huge in terms of eSports legitimacy..
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On May 19 2014 23:59 Ctone23 wrote:
Awesome news. Can't believe some people are disappointed... do you guys even business? Holy cow this is huge in terms of eSports legitimacy..
Not if they force themselves into using their "free services." I don't use Google and I don't want be forced to just to use Twitch. All this does is force a near monopoly.
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On May 19 2014 23:48 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2014 23:41 Cynry wrote:On May 19 2014 23:28 obesechicken13 wrote:when really they're any other. Yeah, right, any other. I just looked at the biggest companies, where google ranks 50+, and you'd have to compare them to banks, oil companies, Apple and Microsoft. Could you keep a straith face saying they're the same ? Google isn't "godsent", of course, but at least they haven't screwed us yet, even though they totally could. Yes. I can. It's not like google can somehow hire more talent than Microsoft or Apple or their company philosophy "do no evil" makes everyone at the company into saints. They follow the same agile development principles as any other big company and have the same types of teams. In human terms they put their pants on one leg at a time. Stop putting them on a pedestal.
Going that way, I could also tell you that they make money too, and that their compagny name uses letters and they have a logo. So they must be the same.
Of course they are very close to Microsoft and Apple, although they tend to make better products than the first and are not as greedy as the second, but if you compare them to the other big companies I quoted and still stand on your ground, well, there is probably nothing I can do to make you think otherwise.
Edit : I do, though, totally admit that I'm biased. Maybe I put them on a pedestal, but how does that concern you ? Still, saying they're the same as any other compagny seems a bit of a stretch. As far as I know they harm no one making their money. Prove me wrong and I'll change my mind.
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On May 19 2014 23:59 Ctone23 wrote:
Awesome news. Can't believe some people are disappointed... do you guys even business? Holy cow this is huge in terms of eSports legitimacy..
+1
It's great news for e.sports and for the casters who will have access to a much wider ads network.
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On May 19 2014 23:59 Ctone23 wrote:
Awesome news. Can't believe some people are disappointed... do you guys even business? Holy cow this is huge in terms of eSports legitimacy..
And if only esports legitimacy was important enough to outweigh all the negative consequences of complete monopoly over a growing industry, that would matter.
If you "even business", you can bet they'll make the most out of the fact that there's literally nowhere else to take your content to, both on VOD and streaming side of things. If you think they're going to improve the quality of service just because of warm feelings they have for their user base, well... see how that goes.
Nobody that does business on Twitch or Youtube will enjoy the fact that there's no alternative other than adapting to whatever policies the owner of everything comes up with. Nor the fact that if this deal goes through, that alternative may never exist due to the entry barrier being pretty much insurmountable.
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Oh yay so not only is there a chance for them to force Google+ on us but also a regular change in layouts.
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If you ever felt forced to use google+ I assume you just can't read.
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sounds great imo ,could be cool
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On May 20 2014 01:11 Cynry wrote:
If you ever felt forced to use google+ I assume you just can't read.
I can read clear as day but thanks for your concern.
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On May 20 2014 00:47 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2014 23:59 Ctone23 wrote:
Awesome news. Can't believe some people are disappointed... do you guys even business? Holy cow this is huge in terms of eSports legitimacy.. And if only esports legitimacy was important enough to outweigh all the negative consequences of complete monopoly over a growing industry, that would matter. If you "even business", you can bet they'll make the most out of the fact that there's literally nowhere else to take your content to, both on VOD and streaming side of things. If you think they're going to improve the quality of service just because of warm feelings they have for their user base, well... see how that goes. Nobody that does business on Twitch or Youtube will enjoy the fact that there's no alternative other than adapting to whatever policies the owner of everything comes up with. Nor the fact that if this deal goes through, that alternative may never exist due to the entry barrier being pretty much insurmountable.
The supposed offer of 1 Billion is enough to garner attention from a wide range of investors. Youtube won't come in and completely re-design twitch. They "bought" Twitch on revenue statistics, etc, why would they screw everything up? Do you think they offered a billion... just because? No, they looked and ran out models to make a fair-market-value offer.
You seem to think you understand what the deal is structured like and the terms, but obviously you do not, no one does. To speculate on small details does nothing to speak to the $1 billion deal, those issues you mention are "a drop in the bucket" as they say, compared to a billion dollars.
People notice money, and now more and more will take a look at this "eSports" stuff going on. To talk of a monopoly implies that eSports has arrived to the main stream, which most certainly has not. You admit as much in your comment that literally no other services exist at the moment that offer what Twitch and Youtube do.
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On May 20 2014 01:13 Disengaged wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2014 01:11 Cynry wrote:
If you ever felt forced to use google+ I assume you just can't read. I can read clear as day but thanks for your concern.
Sorry for being a dick at first, but why spread false fact ? You don't need google+ to use youtube, why would it be different for Google/twitch ?
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On May 20 2014 01:22 Cynry wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2014 01:13 Disengaged wrote:On May 20 2014 01:11 Cynry wrote:
If you ever felt forced to use google+ I assume you just can't read. I can read clear as day but thanks for your concern. Sorry for being a dick at first, but why spread false fact ? You don't need google+ to use youtube, why would it be different for Google/twitch ?
I feel more that it's being forced to have a google account at all, G+ integration within comments didn't help youtube at all.
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I don't remember how it was before Google acquired them, but didn't you need an account for anything already ? And if you wanted, couldn't you create an account only for youtube usage ?
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Jesus, I thought they'd be worth a number of millions, but over a billion dollars is pretty insane. I don't think it would be a bad thing if it were to go through either. I'm sure a few things would change, but I bet there would be an increase in the platforms reliability and capacity for events with streams that have very large amounts of viewers.
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On May 20 2014 01:28 Cynry wrote:
I don't remember how it was before Google acquired them, but didn't you need an account for anything already ? And if you wanted, couldn't you create an account only for youtube usage ?
To chat and upload yes, but I didn't need a google email/ account. And I don't want one. Feels forced to go with their "services" for everything. Good for them, bad for the consumer, especially with Twitch is main game streaming, and Youtube main video uploader. Doesn't leave many choices.
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Northern Ireland27014 Posts
Is Twitch even THAT big for E-Sports content? Outside of the current big hitters every time I log there are a lot of Let's Plays and people watching single player games as well.
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