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Sweden33723 Posts
On October 08 2006 10:13 dronebabo wrote:
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Bull fucking shit.
Humans will always be superior over animals. If you think murdering a dog is the same as murdering a human, YOU need help.
You also are saying he enjoys killing animals? What? He never said that.
Humans do not HAVE to eat meat. Not eating meat is also HEALTHY as proved by vegetarians.
Killing animals are fine, but have you ever truely heard about how they mass slaughter them?
Alien race X encounters humans.
Considers humans puny, inferior and because of how hopelessly pathetic we are, they don't understand us at all, communication = zero.
Alien race X proceeds to randomly murder humans.
Would this, to you, be comparable to some guy murdering a bunch of dogs or would it be the same as like Hitler murdering jews? I think if you MURDER someone, it doesn't matter if it's a dog or a human being, you are still fucked up and it's still equally wrong.
Of course I also realize that this isn't practical and that there has to be a legal distinction, or at least I can see why, I think.
I just don't think it's wrong to say that a dog is worth as much as a human being..
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agree with testie 100%, anyone who is supporting this seriously needs to seek help
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On October 08 2006 05:53 BeSiGeR wrote:
it is not okay to hunt for sport,
it is not okay to experiment
it is okay to eat them, although i dont like the way animals are beeing raised for slaughter
it is NOT OK TO fuck animals
so will somebody tell me how the hell do laws like these get passed
as weird as it sound, it is ok. It is not really ok to hunt them for sport, experiement is totally not ok and eating them it's ok for sure.
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Calgary26004 Posts
On October 08 2006 10:25 FrozenArbiter wrote:
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Alien race X encounters humans.
Considers humans puny, inferior and because of how hopelessly pathetic we are, they don't understand us at all, communication = zero.
Alien race X proceeds to randomly murder humans.
Would this, to you, be comparable to some guy murdering a bunch of dogs or would it be the same as like Hitler murdering jews? I think if you MURDER someone, it doesn't matter if it's a dog or a human being, you are still fucked up and it's still equally wrong.
Of course I also realize that this isn't practical and that there has to be a legal distinction, or at least I can see why, I think.
I just don't think it's wrong to say that a dog is worth as much as a human being..
Humans are more intelligent than dogs. That's why killing a human is worse than killing a dog. Your alien analogy doesn't really prove the point you were lookng to. We know murder is wrong. There's a reason, however, to think that murdering more intelligent beings that live longer is worse than killing another being.
Here's a simple problem you run into if you don't differentiate dog murder from human murder. If dog murder = human murder, then cat = dog, rat = cat, snake = rat, butterfly = rat, worm = butterfly, fly = worm.
If you aren't differentiating between human murder and dog murder, where on that list are you going to draw the line where murder becomes okay? Of course stomping a bug isn't as wrong as killing a human, just like killing a dog isn't as wrong as killing a human.
Maybe we just have different opinions, but I can't imagine how you would think killing a dog would be the same as killing a human.
I think a lot of people like to have double standards so that they look morally stronger than they are. People eat meat and use animal products but then are against hunting. It doesn't make any sense.
And yes, you can have a balanced meal without meat (someone in this thread said you can't). Your body needs protein, fat, carbohydrates, vitamins and minerals, all of which can be gotten without meat.
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On October 08 2006 09:18 joydivision wrote:
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But thats not the point, people can live without many things. The point is that its natural for men to eat meat, our digestive system is prepared for it, we eat cows and other animals because we are carnivorous and its something that its beyond any moral point of view. No, you can only eat meat once it has been preprocessed by 20th century technologies. If i were to go shoot a deer, and throw him on your table and make you eat it, aside from the fact that you probably couldnt even bite through the hide, if you were to get any of that raw bloody tissue in your mouth, you would probably contract any number of diseases, vomit, or just plain get sick in general for a week.
There is absolutely nothing about humans that make eating meat ideal, it just so happens that our biologies are well equipped to adapt to change, and we can survive eating meat. But we didnt get this far as a species eating meat. We started as vegetarians. And it is proven that vegetarians are 100% just as healthy as carnivorous humans.
On October 08 2006 05:54 zizou21 wrote:
humans will be humans, there are humans who want to fuck animals.. is that wrong? no, its just different.
illegalizing things because they are socially wrong is not the way to fix things and just bad for our race. this is known as 'repressing' which any1 who has taken an intro class to psych kno is probably the worst thing u can do
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its 7:37 im fucked up on oxy and ganja[/warning] Just make sure you go after the source. While I can understand from that person's point of view that they cannot control themselves, it is ingrained in their personalities, you have to ask why? Were they born that way? Most likely not. You take anyone who has a fetish for beastiality or child porn and examine their lives from early upbringing and you will ALWAYS, i repeat ALWAYS find some form of abuse. They were made that way. They were twisted at a early age via one trauma or another. And 90% of the time, victims of this trauma go on to victimize others. Basically the child rapist rapes a child, who then becomes the next child rapist. This is why we do need to criminalize those who have unnatural sexual or other behavioral tendencies which are destructive to themselves and usually others around them.
You think beastiality is harmless? Look at the father of 3 who routinely has sex with his horses in the barn. I guarantee you his kids are gonna turn out just as fucked up themselves one way or another.
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The simple reason why we value human life above all other species is not specifically due to our strength, intelligence, or general superiority, but rather a slight combination of them. Being an intellectually superior species allows us to enjoy more out of life. There are plenty of species of life out there which can outlive a human, or are stronger than us, but can they appreciate it? As much as they deserve to live, whoever makes the most of their time deserves to live more imo.
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Sweden33723 Posts
On October 08 2006 10:45 Chill wrote:
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Humans are more intelligent than dogs. That's why killing a human is worse than killing a dog. Your alien analogy doesn't really prove the point you were lookng to. We know murder is wrong. There's a reason, however, to think that murdering more intelligent beings that live longer is worse than killing another being.
Here's a simple problem you run into if you don't differentiate dog murder from human murder. If dog murder = human murder, then cat = dog, rat = cat, snake = rat, butterfly = rat, worm = butterfly, fly = worm.
If you aren't differentiating between human murder and dog murder, where on that list are you going to draw the line where murder becomes okay? Of course stomping a bug isn't as wrong as killing a human, just like killing a dog isn't as wrong as killing a human.
Maybe we just have different opinions, but I can't imagine how you would think killing a dog would be the same as killing a human.
I think a lot of people like to have double standards so that they look morally stronger than they are. People eat meat and use animal products but then are against hunting. It doesn't make any sense.
And yes, you can have a balanced meal without meat (someone in this thread said you can't). Your body needs protein, fat, carbohydrates, vitamins and minerals, all of which can be gotten without meat.
I don't stomp bugs, except by accident.
I don't eat meat.
A bug is worth as much as a human. Does it mean I care as much about said bug as I do for my parents or my dogs? Fuck no, I can't relate to a bug in almost ANY way, unlike humans etc. But I respect it.
I respect that it's alive, yes, what's about a days worth of our lives might be half a life time for it, but that doesn't make it WORTH less.
I think there's a difference in how fucked up you'd have to be to kill a human and a bug, a human and a rat, a human and a dog etc. It's harder to empathize with the bug, with the rat, with the dog..
So I guess what I'm saying is this: I think they are worth the same (nothing at all if you look at it objectively, I mean what the hell does 'worth' mean anyway?) and none of them deserve to die however I also realize that you can't go around calling someone who stomps on a bug a murderer..
Not even I think they are, or think I'm one for accidentially killing bugs when I go for a walk.
And I guess you are right, the alien example wasn't relevant in this case, most of the time when animal rights are discussed it is tho (ie would you like to be eaten, put in a cage, experimented on etc just because you are considered to be 'inferior' by alien race X), but not in this case, you are right.
On October 08 2006 10:51 NewbSaibot wrote:
The simple reason why we value human life above all other species is not specifically due to our strength, intelligence, or general superiority, but rather a slight combination of them. Being an intellectually superior species allows us to enjoy more out of life. There are plenty of species of life out there which can outlive a human, or are stronger than us, but can they appreciate it? As much as they deserve to live, whoever makes the most of their time deserves to live more imo.
So I guess you were once a turtle and decided that it wasn't enjoyable and thusly transformed into a human? Really, this is completely subjective 
Anyway, your post reminded me of the 'how turtles get it on' thread :D (didn't actually see that video but read parts of the thread).
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Calgary26004 Posts
Alright I can respect your opions then. I still disagree with them.
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It should be illegal. There is no other way to put it for me then : It is sick.
They just never bothered to make a law to outlaw it.
He should prosecute him for tresspassing and breaking and entering his premisses.
Im a liberal but this is to disgusting to be legal. Should this go on untill the pony gets hurt. Them it is to late, while it could have been prevented by making it illegal. An animal is more then just a piece of property. It is a creature that can get hurt.
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Belgium9952 Posts
It should be illegal indeed
I mean.. even in muslim states you're *only* allowed to have sex with animals when your wife has her periods
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Sweden33723 Posts
On October 08 2006 11:01 dronebabo wrote:
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Murdering a dog is wrong. Comparing the murder of a human to a murder of a dog as equal is wrong.
This is what I was saying in my post.
Hm, ok, I agree. A person has to be more fucked up to murder a human.
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United States44402 Posts
Animals don't have rights. People have rights. Animals have seasoning and another honey glaze.
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On October 08 2006 11:19 KaasZerg wrote:
It should be illegal. There is no other way to put it for me then : It is sick.
They just never bothered to make a law to outlaw it.
He should prosecute him for tresspassing and breaking and entering his premisses.
Im a liberal but this is to disgusting to be legal. Should this go on untill the pony gets hurt. Them it is to late, while it could have been prevented by making it illegal. An animal is more then just a piece of property. It is a creature that can get hurt. Well if the horse cums i guess he didnt get hurt.
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if they are allowing it, it same stupid as they has legal weed..
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Netherlands1301 Posts
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It's pretty fucked up to fuck animals, but unless they're getting hurt I see no reason why it should be banned. It's probably not a healthy habit though..
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ah, my thread is comming along nicley 
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On October 08 2006 10:13 dronebabo wrote:
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Bull fucking shit.
Humans will always be superior over animals. If you think murdering a dog is the same as murdering a human, YOU need help.
You also are saying he enjoys killing animals? What? He never said that.
Humans do not HAVE to eat meat. Not eating meat is ALSO HEALTHY as proved by vegetarians.
Killing animals are fine, but have you ever truely heard about how they mass slaughter them?
the point was, murder is the same in all cases. its still taking a life. Yeah, there is mass slaughet of animals, idiot, but it is directly proportional to the number of consumers. OMG ANIMALS MASS MURDER BECAUSE THEY NEED TO EAT. thats an stupid point of your part. i never said he enjoys killing animals, but he supports animal raping. why dont we start feeding animals with suplements of meat, so we dont kill more animals, its not necessary from your point of view. ITS ALSO HEALTHY OMG.
some of you may thing humans > animals. Yeah for the rational part yes, but the fact that they also live in the same planet as us makes them have the same fucking right not to be harmed/killed by any other living being. Killing is bloody necesary, but to feed, not to have a fucking psycho have pleasure. There are next to no animals that fuck other animals for pleasure or kill them by pleasure (exception: dolphins) so why do humans have the right to do that, fucking scumbag society.
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