EPTWhy is this legal ?? - Page 11
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NewbSaibot
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On October 10 2006 08:38 Chibi[OWNS] wrote: Would'nt committing a sexual act against a child by definition, make you a pedophile? Even pedophiles who keep it to themselves and never harm anybody (very rare), dont simply feel that way by choice. Something happened to them too. Trust me, nobody is born a pedophile. isnt this statistic only for people who commit sexual crimes? ie people who commit sexual crimes have a history of sexual abuse? isnt it also true that the vast majority of sexual crimes against children are NOT commited by paedophiles? (this i have heard numerous times from different sources). so is there a link between paedophilia and a person committing a sexual crime? not as far as i know (or any of us CAN know since we dont even know how common paedophilia is [removed quote within quote] Usually there is a direct link between the severity of abuse and the severity of their pedophilia. I.E. closet pedophiles are less traumatized than active pedophiles. But their line of mental thinking is still on a completely different plane compared to normal people. | ||
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baal
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sexual preferences thats it, some people think non-reproductive sex is unnatural, some people think oral sex is sick and unnatural, some people think anal sex is sick and unnatural, some people think that gay sex is sick and unnatural, some people think that swingers are sick and unnatural, some people think that sado sex is sick and unnatural.... WTF people stop drawing the line like you hold the chalk to mark where the sickness beings, its a sexual preference. PS: Pedophilia is a sexual preference, it however usually treaspasses somebody else's right, so it usually shouldnt be carried. | ||
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MyLostTemple
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Ghin
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as for animal sex, that doesnt sound very fun to me, but whatever floats your boat hell, i like girls legs, i guess thats pretty weird too. | ||
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NewbSaibot
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On October 10 2006 18:09 baal wrote: The difference, baal, is that all of those acts can be conducted with consent. Sex against a minor is never with their consent. Whenever someone has sex against their will, it traumatizes them. And case after case after case has shown that pedophiles have always suffered one trauma or another, almost always sexual in nature, and almost always as a minor. With this we can conclude that pedophilia is a preference which is generated due to past experience, rather than simply decided upon by the individual. You cant take a healthy human being and force them into homosexuality. We know the desire to copulate with the opposite sex is an instinct, not a choice (as is homsexuals desire to copulate with the same sex). thats bullshit newbsaibot, so nobody is born gay? sexual preferences thats it, some people think non-reproductive sex is unnatural, some people think oral sex is sick and unnatural, some people think anal sex is sick and unnatural, some people think that gay sex is sick and unnatural, some people think that swingers are sick and unnatural, some people think that sado sex is sick and unnatural.... WTF people stop drawing the line like you hold the chalk to mark where the sickness beings, its a sexual preference. PS: Pedophilia is a sexual preference, it however usually treaspasses somebody else's right, so it usually shouldnt be carried. Finally, when observing the personal and private behaviorisms of someone who has been traumatized at an early age in their life, especially sexually, they express numerous symptoms of disturbance, depression, anxiety, fear, lack of trust, and worst of all, tendencies to act out their aggressions on others in extreme cases. However NONE of these can be said for those who enjoy anal or oral sex. Therefore there is no connection to be drawn between someones opinion on anal sex, and someones opinion on pedophelia. Anal sex is a preference, pedophelia is a disease. | ||
Liquid`Jinro
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On October 10 2006 17:50 NewbSaibot wrote: [removed quote within quote] Would'nt committing a sexual act against a child by definition, make you a pedophile? Even pedophiles who keep it to themselves and never harm anybody (very rare), dont simply feel that way by choice. Something happened to them too. Trust me, nobody is born a pedophile. Usually there is a direct link between the severity of abuse and the severity of their pedophilia. I.E. closet pedophiles are less traumatized than active pedophiles. But their line of mental thinking is still on a completely different plane compared to normal people. Uhm, I think his point was that many of the people who sexually abuse children are not actually attracted to them. | ||
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On October 10 2006 19:47 FrozenArbiter wrote: Well, ok then, that just further places pedophiles into the land of craziness. [removed quote within quote] Uhm, I think his point was that many of the people who sexually abuse children are not actually attracted to them. | ||
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On October 11 2006 09:51 Chibi[OWNS] wrote: Well you are throwing in two different scenerios here. You start off with questioning sexual crimes in general, which of course are not predominantely pedophilic in nature, and then bring up the subject of crimes against children. If an adult commits a sexual act against a child, then imo, that would be a sign of pedophelia. Otherwise why choose a child? Sexuality is so intrinsic to human nature that one's choice of victim is a blatant statement about their desires. Rapists dont just say "i want to rape a woman today." They have a certain kind of woman they want to rape because that is what they are attracted to. I find it hard to believe that a sexual crime can be committed against a child indiscriminately, at random. newb perhaps you missed my post because i already explained in as detailed way as i can isnt this statistic only for people who commit sexual crimes? ie people who commit sexual crimes have a history of sexual abuse? isnt it also true that the vast majority of sexual crimes against children are NOT commited by paedophiles? (this i have heard numerous times from different sources). so is there a link between paedophilia and a person committing a sexual crime? not as far as i know (or any of us CAN know since we dont even know how common paedophilia is. taking the study listed on wiki, at least 30% of males are in some form........ ) baal also explained that it is a sexual preference like being gay On October 11 2006 09:56 Chibi[OWNS] wrote: Well it depends where you draw the line. I mean I'm 24, and I can sit back and watch the chics on Laguna Beach and be attracted to that, even though i know theyre 14-16 years old. I mean lets get real, theyre fuckin hot. But pedophiles are usually attracted to something far beyond that, to the point where what normal men determine as just a human figure, they see sexual attraction. We're talkin 6-8 year olds here. Im pretty sure our society hasnt sunken so low that 6 year old girls in 1st grade have developed breasts and wear high heels and low cut blouses with long permed hair. They are flat chested little girls, who could potentially be mistaken for a boy, with stick legs, no makeup, and ribbons in their messy hair. Anyone who finds sexual arrousal in this needs treatment. btw i find it more odd to be attracted to someone of oposite sex than to be attracted to a young girl when young girls these days exhibit so many qualities of an adult (dress sexy, mature attitudes, argueably sexual) in combination with desireable qualities such as youth, innocence and physical properties like size, slender, skin and hair unmarred by age etc btw im totally against child adult relationships , though not because i think its sick As far as baal's attempts to demonstrate that pedophelia is simply a preference, i gave clear evidence that it is not. Pedophiles are not happy people. They suffer from a myriad of psychological disorders. Do people who perform oral sex have nightmares about being raped in their sleep? Do people who prefer anal sex have flashbacks of being raped while having sex with their lover? Can you take someone who has a personal taste for black women and conclude that they probably also enjoy self-abuse? No. None of these things have anything in common with the other. This proves they are unlinked, and therefore preference, as they should be. However a pedophile often exhibits a number of these very symptoms. If not for the ones i listed, theres always something, and it's always directly related. If i meet a pedophile, i can ask him a series of 10 questions and know he will answer yes to at least one of them. The same cannot be said of about people of otherwise healthy sexual lifestyles and histories. | ||
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pirate cod
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On October 10 2006 19:45 NewbSaibot wrote: [removed quote within quote] The difference, baal, is that all of those acts can be conducted with consent. Sex against a minor is never with their consent. Whenever someone has sex against their will, it traumatizes them. And case after case after case has shown that pedophiles have always suffered one trauma or another, almost always sexual in nature, and almost always as a minor. With this we can conclude that pedophilia is a preference which is generated due to past experience, rather than simply decided upon by the individual. You cant take a healthy human being and force them into homosexuality. We know the desire to copulate with the opposite sex is an instinct, not a choice (as is homsexuals desire to copulate with the same sex). Finally, when observing the personal and private behaviorisms of someone who has been traumatized at an early age in their life, especially sexually, they express numerous symptoms of disturbance, depression, anxiety, fear, lack of trust, and worst of all, tendencies to act out their aggressions on others in extreme cases. However NONE of these can be said for those who enjoy anal or oral sex. Therefore there is no connection to be drawn between someones opinion on anal sex, and someones opinion on pedophelia. Anal sex is a preference, pedophelia is a disease. Baal covered consent in his post that you quoted. What are you arguing? Pedophelia isn't a disease. Don't act you don't see 17 year olds who you'd like to fuck. As for 11 year olds, it's more of a fetish rather than a disease. Some people like to get thrown up on, other's like to watch little kids bleed and cry. Regardless of how fucked up it is, it's a fetish. As for that preference due to past experiences mumbojumbo, no one knows why something makes your dick hard, it just does. This isn't to defend pedophelia, because regardless, it's wrong, it's just to correct some of the things you said. | ||
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