Why is this legal ?? - Page 10

On October 09 2006 00:33 BeSiGeR wrote:
i know there are lactovegetarians and all sorts of vegetarians, i just wanna know how do those of them who do eat fish justify eating them

On October 09 2006 00:17 Kwark wrote:
puppy is slowly killed by a grinning Japanese girl wearing stillettosHuman happiness > puppy happiness and the girl obviously enjoyed doing it.

On October 09 2006 01:12 ontopthree wrote:
Ok. So far, I am fucked up, I am self destructive, I'm sick, I rape animals, I hurt then for my own pleasure and whatever else was said in the last 9 pages about people having sex with animals.

Yes, i have sex with animals. The only reason i am posting this is to try and give you people observations from the other side. Let me explain some things.

1.) There are two catergories to people who have sex with animals. There are people who are into Zoophilia and people who are into Bestiality.( Yes its "Bestiality", look it up. Sick of people misspelling it.) The main difference between the two is that Zoophiles actually "love" the animals. 99% of the zoophile population own their own animal, take care of it as well as they would a human. It's not about "getting off", its a relationship. Bestiality is what the "Animal porn" industry is. Exploiting animals to make money. The animals in those videos are the epitomy of animal abuse. Most are not fed or given water for days at a time, are beat, locked in cages for days, etc. So please if you get only one thing out of this post, learn to differentiate.

2.) We are not "Sick". We are not mentally unstable. We are everyday people who are as fully functional and normal as anyone else. Just becuase there are a few bad apples in a large population does not mean that we all do the things they do. Just becuase a few men rape women doesnt mean they are all rapists does it? No.

3.) Animals cannot consent. This is not true in my opinion. Animals have teeth. Animals have claws. Animals can kick. Animals CAN say no. Zoophiles know when an animal is saying no through body language alone. We don't rape animals becuase we know when they are saying no.

This is all i feel like typing right now, it got longer then i thought it would. Please dont respond if all you're going to say is something along the lines of "You're sick." I'll expect alot of ridicule for this post but it if helps educate one person then it was worth it.

On October 08 2006 22:20 CubEdIn[SoD] wrote:
Hmm.

I know that I'll probably get flamed for this, but I don't see how killing animals for food is any better than having sex with them (making love lol). Yes, it would be worse if the animals suffer when they're being ...raped, as you say. But I really don't think that's the case, because animals tend to be agressive when they're hurt, and could seriously injure the one hurting them.

Anyway, my oppinion is that this is viewed as "sick" because sex in general is "tabu". That's why incest is viewed as sick, pedophilia, etc. I'm not saying it's not. It's not normal, that's for sure. But how can you stand up and say DON'T HAVE SEX WITH ANIMALS, kill them and feed me their flesh instead!

Now back in highschool, about 6-7 years ago a friend showed me a 30-second bestiality clip. It was about the time when internet was introduced in Romania, and sites like Ogrish or rotten were being discovered. I'm not a fan of such sites, nor am I into bestiality, but I have seen videos of people dying, and I have seen that video. (again, i didn't find it pleasureable, but i always give in to curiousity). So this video was basicly showing a dalmatian doing a porn star "doggy style". And if anything, the dog seemed to be enjoying it. How is this worse than killing and eating that dog? Or keeping it in chains outside your house? I just don't see that.

And no, "morality" is not a good argument to what I'm asking, because it's not MORAL to KILL. And don't say "sex is for reproduction" and killing is for eating. Because then contraception would be imoral (right?). Also, I admit I had sex many times for pleasure only (edit: with girls, not animals!!!). What a low-life I must be.

So as a conclusion. If the animals aren't hurt, then maybe you should ban killing them first, and then ban having sex with them.

Sorry for my lack of proper english. Blame it on the lack of sleep.

On October 09 2006 03:48 baal wrote:
Animals DO consent... lol try "raping" a big dog and lets see how it goes... he will probably maul you if he wouldnt like to be fucked -.-.

On October 09 2006 03:58 ontopthree wrote:
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Also another point on the rape thing..it's not always about fucking an animal. Almost every zoophile i know is a bottom. Hard to force an animal to fuck you.

On October 09 2006 05:13 araav wrote:
ontopthree, who the fuck are you??

On October 09 2006 05:16 baal wrote:
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hey, no need to quote me, im with you my dear sick fellow :D

animal sex ftw!

On October 08 2006 19:47 Kwark wrote:
I didn't split morality up into species and I in no way agree with slavery of people. But animals aren't people. Thats the difference I'm drawing here. That people have a duty to look after other people, not animals. That in a human society there are human rights. I believe in do unto others as you would have done to you. It is that principle that allows society to function. But I don't extend it to lab rats. I don't think Jesus meant that our neighbour also meant our pets, beasts of burden and food. I think he meants people. The difference between you and a chimpanzee is in no way comparable to the difference between you and someone of another race. People of other races are humans, chimpanzees are not. To suggest comparison is plainly wrong. The same applies to the slave reference.

I guess this just comes down to how you view the world. I've had this debate a couple of times with friends too (they'd agree with FA). I do not believe a human society has a duty to animals. I believe that humans can seek to limit the suffering they cause animals as an individual moral choice. But that is a question of personal choice. And if someone likes sex with animals then fair enough as long as they do it in their own home (or a Dutch brothel) where it causes no harm to other people. The damage done to the animal, which is negligible compared to, for example, eating it, does not and never can be placed above the enjoyment of humans.
To suggest a ban on sex with animals would be comparable to banning eating meat because it causes suffering to animals. The reason no-one has a problem with that is because a lot more people eat meat than screw animals and it is far more acceptable in our popular culture. But from an objective position, banning one for causing animal suffering for human pleasure would mean banning the other. And banning it because "it's sick" doesn't qualify for the record, see the word objective above.

On October 09 2006 00:17 Kwark wrote:
But then you'd be hurting a human who is a member of a society to which you belong.
Ever seen one of those videos where a puppy is slowly killed by a grinning Japanese girl wearing stillettos? She steps on it and it squeals and squeaks and the stilletto goes through it a load of times and then I throw up and stop watching. I can find it if anyone wants to watch it. I defend her right to do that if she likes. I'd just rather die than do it myself. Human happiness > puppy happiness and the girl obviously enjoyed doing it.

On October 09 2006 05:21 ontopthree wrote:
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Why does it matter?

On October 09 2006 01:12 ontopthree wrote:
Ok. So far, I am fucked up, I am self destructive, I'm sick, I rape animals, I hurt then for my own pleasure and whatever else was said in the last 9 pages about people having sex with animals.

Yes, i have sex with animals. The only reason i am posting this is to try and give you people observations from the other side. Let me explain some things.

1.) There are two catergories to people who have sex with animals. There are people who are into Zoophilia and people who are into Bestiality.( Yes its "Bestiality", look it up. Sick of people misspelling it.) The main difference between the two is that Zoophiles actually "love" the animals. 99% of the zoophile population own their own animal, take care of it as well as they would a human. It's not about "getting off", its a relationship. Bestiality is what the "Animal porn" industry is. Exploiting animals to make money. The animals in those videos are the epitomy of animal abuse. Most are not fed or given water for days at a time, are beat, locked in cages for days, etc. So please if you get only one thing out of this post, learn to differentiate.

2.) We are not "Sick". We are not mentally unstable. We are everyday people who are as fully functional and normal as anyone else. Just becuase there are a few bad apples in a large population does not mean that we all do the things they do. Just becuase a few men rape women doesnt mean they are all rapists does it? No.

3.) Animals cannot consent. This is not true in my opinion. Animals have teeth. Animals have claws. Animals can kick. Animals CAN say no. Zoophiles know when an animal is saying no through body language alone. We don't rape animals becuase we know when they are saying no.

This is all i feel like typing right now, it got longer then i thought it would. Please dont respond if all you're going to say is something along the lines of "You're sick." I'll expect alot of ridicule for this post but it if helps educate one person then it was worth it.

On October 09 2006 01:12 ontopthree wrote:
Ok. So far, I am fucked up, I am self destructive, I'm sick, I rape animals, I hurt then for my own pleasure and whatever else was said in the last 9 pages about people having sex with animals.

Yes, i have sex with animals. The only reason i am posting this is to try and give you people observations from the other side. Let me explain some things.

1.) There are two catergories to people who have sex with animals. There are people who are into Zoophilia and people who are into Bestiality.( Yes its "Bestiality", look it up. Sick of people misspelling it.) The main difference between the two is that Zoophiles actually "love" the animals. 99% of the zoophile population own their own animal, take care of it as well as they would a human. It's not about "getting off", its a relationship. Bestiality is what the "Animal porn" industry is. Exploiting animals to make money. The animals in those videos are the epitomy of animal abuse. Most are not fed or given water for days at a time, are beat, locked in cages for days, etc. So please if you get only one thing out of this post, learn to differentiate.

2.) We are not "Sick". We are not mentally unstable. We are everyday people who are as fully functional and normal as anyone else. Just becuase there are a few bad apples in a large population does not mean that we all do the things they do. Just becuase a few men rape women doesnt mean they are all rapists does it? No.

3.) Animals cannot consent. This is not true in my opinion. Animals have teeth. Animals have claws. Animals can kick. Animals CAN say no. Zoophiles know when an animal is saying no through body language alone. We don't rape animals becuase we know when they are saying no.

This is all i feel like typing right now, it got longer then i thought it would. Please dont respond if all you're going to say is something along the lines of "You're sick." I'll expect alot of ridicule for this post but it if helps educate one person then it was worth it.