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iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
September 04 2006 08:09 GMT
#41
BJ 1 Eri 0.
Illuvatar
Profile Joined June 2005
254 Posts
September 04 2006 08:13 GMT
#42
so all these people are gonna get banned now?
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27174 Posts
September 04 2006 08:14 GMT
#43
no just BlackJack... FOR BEING INSOLENT
ModeratorGodfather
SpaCe)Ment-rA
Profile Joined November 2005
Canada389 Posts
September 04 2006 08:14 GMT
#44
Banned twice. Second time was for asking a WC3 key for my LAN I think.

Am I the only one to think Rekrul is the most active thread-closer and banner?
In the moonlight, dancing madly backwards
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
September 04 2006 08:19 GMT
#45
On September 04 2006 17:08 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2006 17:06 BlackJack wrote:
On September 04 2006 16:20 Liquid`Drone wrote:
On September 04 2006 16:15 Hollow wrote:
I've been life banned because I posted a torrent site not knowing we weren't allowed to do so.
Even though everyone keeps posting them... I just guessed some admin didn't like me


actually post 20 individual posts by 20 different posters all who have not been banned where they link to a torrent site. if everyone keeps posting them then that should be pretty fucking easy.


lol I remember Hollow's banning. I was like "wtf how could he even have known" T_T Hollow aren't you rS.Loco or someone?

1. http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=35868&currentpage=3#43
2. http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=37292&currentpage=4#74
3. http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=38732#8
4. http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=40825&currentpage=5#83
5. http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=42745#1
6. http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=42348#1
7. http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=41733#7
8. http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=41437#18
9. http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=41119#8
10. http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=40335#10
11. http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=40335#11
12. http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=35868&currentpage=3#45
13. http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=35868&currentpage=5#95
14. http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=37712#10
15. http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=38683#6
16. http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=37707#4
17. http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=35912#14
18. http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=35108#11
19. http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=31497&currentpage=2#26
20. http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=32712#1

#19 was banned much later for something else


That's impressive. I didn't expect ANYONE to actually look those up.


most torrent links have torrent in the name of the link. typing torrent into search gives you 2,000+ results, only needed first 3 pages and skipped some
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27174 Posts
September 04 2006 08:22 GMT
#46
I dont ban for torrents. I just use the automated message usually from TB. It reads:
Here at TL.net we ask all our users to not request CD keys, give warez links, or post porn and other such things on our forums. This is talked about in our site rules, the TL.net Ten Commandments. Failure to comply with these rules will result in your account being banned.


I used to be a real bitch and ban more, but i now only ban if it is something really stupid. I use the temp bans almost exclusively.... or at least that is my goal.
ModeratorGodfather
NonYold
Profile Joined April 2004
United States2814 Posts
September 04 2006 08:24 GMT
#47
On September 04 2006 16:19 Liquid`Drone wrote:
the post that made you temp banned was NOT alike to "countless others" that go unpunished. the post you made was a horrendously stupid criticism of one of the most contributing posters on the entire webpage. kind of like telling mensrea that his report fucking sucked and that he should stop posting after he had just written a 10000 word long masterpiece newspost.


His english wasn't perfect and his content consisted of incredibly public and accessible information for any reader here. I'm sure I could go to soccer forums and find similar content, or I could go to sports news sites, or I could read entire biographies, etc. Now if his subject wasn't the most popular sport in the world... lets say it was starcraft. Then it'd be nice to get some english write-ups (even if the english is bad) on some info that would be incredibly hard to find in english, etc etc. I don't understand why you'd go to an amateur sports writer who is using an unperfected language when there's absolutely no shortage of professionally written content. So his reports weren't that great.

As far as my post not being like countless others... All I did was leave a negative opinion without supporting it. Can you read a post on TL.net without seeing one of those? =/
radar14
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States1437 Posts
September 04 2006 08:24 GMT
#48
well, just as you wouldn't expect the highway patrol to give tickets to everyone who is speeding, thinking that the moderating staff has the resources to catch EVERYTHING that goes wrong is just silly. The point is, if you do something wrong, you run the risk of getting banned. So, no, you shouldn't complain about getting banned for something other people have done and gotten away with.
impatience is a virtue
Myxomatosis
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States2392 Posts
September 04 2006 08:24 GMT
#49
On September 04 2006 17:22 Manifesto7 wrote:
I dont ban for torrents. I just use the automated message usually from TB. It reads:
Show nested quote +
Here at TL.net we ask all our users to not request CD keys, give warez links, or post porn and other such things on our forums. This is talked about in our site rules, the TL.net Ten Commandments. Failure to comply with these rules will result in your account being banned.


I used to be a real bitch and ban more, but i now only ban if it is something really stupid. I use the temp bans almost exclusively.... or at least that is my goal.

your descretion is usually quite good, the only exception i actually remember is that guy cgmu who then revived 50 3 year old threads after you temp-banned him for a week after repeat warnings
hasuprotoss
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States4664 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-09-04 08:32:14
September 04 2006 08:27 GMT
#50
1. TL.Net Bot posts links to torrents and nothing ever happened to her, wtf? Is she special just because she is HonestTea's ho?

2. Quality posts? What are those?

3. Never been banned! Requested for a one day ban, never happened because we don't have one day bans T_T.

Edit: I have said some stupid stuff and flamed stupid people with stupid comments, but nothing I would consider bannable. I've also flamed people who made stupid arguments, and then we made it all up through PM's.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?viewdays=0&show_part=5 <--- Articles Section on TL
radar14
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States1437 Posts
September 04 2006 08:30 GMT
#51
On September 04 2006 17:24 NonY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2006 16:19 Liquid`Drone wrote:
the post that made you temp banned was NOT alike to "countless others" that go unpunished. the post you made was a horrendously stupid criticism of one of the most contributing posters on the entire webpage. kind of like telling mensrea that his report fucking sucked and that he should stop posting after he had just written a 10000 word long masterpiece newspost.


His english wasn't perfect and his content consisted of incredibly public and accessible information for any reader here. I'm sure I could go to soccer forums and find similar content, or I could go to sports news sites, or I could read entire biographies, etc. Now if his subject wasn't the most popular sport in the world... lets say it was starcraft. Then it'd be nice to get some english write-ups (even if the english is bad) on some info that would be incredibly hard to find in english, etc etc. I don't understand why you'd go to an amateur sports writer who is using an unperfected language when there's absolutely no shortage of professionally written content. So his reports weren't that great.

As far as my post not being like countless others... All I did was leave a negative opinion without supporting it. Can you read a post on TL.net without seeing one of those? =/


There are nice ways to word criticism. You could've said "nice effort, keep on improving your english" or something like that. If I remember correctly, the way you worded that post wasn't articulate or respectful at all. It was simply being an asshole. That's fine (and humorous) at times, but not when someone clearly put in a lot of effort into making the post you're replying to. We want MORE posts like that, we WANT different information than just BW stuff. I don't read any other forums and I like the variety just fine because I would never bother to look it up myself. We should encourage efforts at quality contributions and give criticism tactfully.
impatience is a virtue
SpaCe)Ment-rA
Profile Joined November 2005
Canada389 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-09-04 08:32:12
September 04 2006 08:31 GMT
#52
Rekrul does not like me ... or does not remember me.




Either I never go stupid since my few bans, either mods like me, which would be for no particular reason since my contribution is close to nothing and the threads I make are old videos or requests. I do not make much anyway.
In the moonlight, dancing madly backwards
NonYold
Profile Joined April 2004
United States2814 Posts
September 04 2006 08:32 GMT
#53
Oh and I guess the reason why I make posts like these is because I find the method of moderation here interesting. Of course TL.net leads the way for foreign coverage of Korean BW, but it's interesting to see how content is sacrificed for the admins' vision of a good forum. I would have thought a sense of responsibility would be assumed as TL.net emerged as the far-and-away leader of English coverage, and maybe it has somewhat been assumed, but not to the extent I would have thought. As long as this style of moderation continues and as long as a great contributions come from forum posts (and often not just the original post), content will always be sacrificed.
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28836 Posts
September 04 2006 08:33 GMT
#54
haha
yeah that is nice bj =]

it has mostly just been TKWL banning for torrents tho. I've never done it. but I think we're supposed to. but it's kind of a fine line like, we would never ban for saying "look for a torrent" or "piratebay.org has lots of torrents" (and to my defense some of the links you got bj are people posting generic torrent sites ) but rather posting direct links to torrents that in some way might be illegal for us to link to.

mini and d4d and distance_voice and chibi and wodd and BG1 (although actually not cause he asked "torrent sites are allowed on the site right if not i'll take them off after linking one) and Brood and uicK and camoot should all be banned though.

:D

and then mini and d4d and distance_voice and brood and camoot get contributor-leeway
chibi gets away with anything anyway
wodd is a 3 post poster who cares
BG1 apologized
and oh well I dont wanna make uick feel special in a bad way.
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NonYold
Profile Joined April 2004
United States2814 Posts
September 04 2006 08:38 GMT
#55
radar14: It's true. I'm not saying what I did is right but rather that what I did is similar to many posts that go unpunished. I guess eri or naz or any of the other admins (if they're reading) won't like this, but my point is this: Since I made a particularly bad post in a topic which the upper-echelon members very much liked (ie naz), they're going to be harsher on me than if I made the same post to some topic nobody cares about. So that's subjective judgment number one. But on a much smaller level of subjectivism, I was actually favored (in the form of mercy) as i was granted only a temp-ban because I'm somewhat better than some 50 post nobody.
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28836 Posts
September 04 2006 08:43 GMT
#56
nony

first raidern posted a post
15 or so people responded with praise
then you write

"these are so unprofessionally written.. why all the praise? his english is even fucked"
it's the kind of post that makes someone way less likely to make a similar post in the future despite the fact that every person with one exception (and he did not flame raidern) prior to you greatly enjoyed his post. basically you're complaining about this site not having as good content as it could have, in your opinion because of our moderation, then you bring up an example of you getting banned for having flamed someone who greatly contributed content-wise. it's fucking retarded. even though I love you, you're being fucking retarded. there are things you could complain about moderation wise though (I have complained about the moderation on very, very many occasions). but you're doing it in the most ass-horrible way i've ever seen, without attempting to consider all the different factors that make this forum the way it is compared to other forums. I really have to go to bed now so I'm not going to elaborate further, but seriously, drop it unless you have something way more constructive to offer.
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Mickey
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States2606 Posts
September 04 2006 08:44 GMT
#57
I have never gotten Banned because I think before I post; most of the time ;o.
baal
Profile Joined March 2003
10708 Posts
September 04 2006 08:44 GMT
#58
I once were banned by Eri because i trolled the fuck out of every thread for like a week, i wrote an apology and i remember Mensrea saying that it was one of the best "mea culpa" he has read, that coming from a pretentions egomaniac is really flattering :3

Now i can rape, torch and pillage har!
Im back, in pog form!
Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
September 04 2006 08:52 GMT
#59
On September 04 2006 15:12 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Hm, I've been temp banned twice I think.

Once, because I tried to contact born)slippy in a topic (I think this was before we had PMs :D) and rekrul closed it, so I re-made it cause I wanted/needed to reach him. Very clever.

The other time I don't even remember, I think it was a joke (the banning) but eh, I'm just almost sure I've been banned twice.


Just the fact that you've been posting before we even had PMs makes me shake my head.

O_o
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28836 Posts
September 04 2006 08:52 GMT
#60
of course posts go unpunished
we can't fucking read every single post on the entire god damn webpage and then making a decision based on every single post whether the post is bad enough to make the user banned or not

people are allowed to make a couple shitty posts unless they are EXTREMELY shitty posts. if there are only a couple shitty posts every couple 100 posts then the poster most likely contributes more than he hurts the forum. hence there is no reason to ban him. however if a poster has a high frequence of shitty posts, we will notice it, and he gets banned. if someone posts an extremely shitty post but still contributes more, he gets warned, in some cases severly warned through getting a temporary ban.

if your suggestion is "read every post and delete every post that is not seriously contributing to the site to increase the content-per-post ratio" then that's a fucking impossible suggestion. we'd need a moderator team 10 times larger, which is impossible to get on this site without adding moderators whom we would have no certainity would actually do their job without further fucking up shit and deleting posts that shouldn't have been deleted, banning people that shouldn't have been banned, closing threads that shouldn't have been closed.

it's impossible to make everyone happy. but it's much better to not ban someone if you're not sure the person should be banned, to not close the thread if you're not sure the thread should be closed, to not delete the post if you're not sure the post should be deleted, than to do the opposite. and through increasing the moderator team, we would also greatly increase the chance of bad bans, bad closings and bad deletes being commited.

it seems like you have our forums confused with smaller communities/communities where you have to pay for useraccounts. in both smaller communities and communities that charge you, there will usually be more room for discussion (because opinions are not recycled as often), and people will generally contribute more, making there a greater amount of content-per-post, which seems to be what you want. but in a community like ours, where we do not restrict people from posting by default, and where our site has tens of thousands of members and visitors, it's not doable. filler posts are a necessity, and they are not bad by default.

there I delayed my sleep for 5 minutes
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