EPT"Magnus will play this position until the heat death of the universe."
The Chess Thread - Page 57
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batsnacks
United States4466 Posts
"Magnus will play this position until the heat death of the universe." | ||
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vndestiny
Singapore3441 Posts
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
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Deleted User 97295
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vndestiny
Singapore3441 Posts
On November 18 2014 01:10 Laertes wrote: I'd like to see white win after trade. Please give me a concrete line where white wins with the knight on the board and no rook. For some background information, a very similar ending appeared in Nunn's Chess Endings. Please read that book to make an informed decision. What exactly are you trying to argue ? That if this position is play over 1000+ times there would be all draws and 0 wins for White, it that what you implied ? | ||
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sharkie
Austria18526 Posts
This isn't a 100% draw and even if, why should Carlsen stop to play as long as the game isn't over? | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
On November 18 2014 01:10 Laertes wrote: I'd like to see white win after trade. Please give me a concrete line where white wins with the knight on the board and no rook. For some background information, a very similar ending appeared in Nunn's Chess Endings. Please read that book to make an informed decision. did you even read what he said? "there's zero chance to lose here, so why not play on, magnus likes to do that"... "please show me how white wins!!!!" | ||
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Aylear
Norway3988 Posts
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
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Deleted User 97295
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On November 18 2014 01:10 Laertes wrote: I'd like to see white win after trade. Please give me a concrete line where white wins with the knight on the board and no rook. For some background information, a very similar ending appeared in Nunn's Chess Endings. Please read that book to make an informed decision. FYI, a grandmaster tweeted "I ran through a line where the rooks were exchanged, and it was a win for white" | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On November 18 2014 01:24 Laertes wrote: I am also a 2k+ rated player. Besides that, I know endings very well. I also understand that even though white has a knight, black has a pawn majority and will force black back. I will post some concrete lines a little later. no, you are not. | ||
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
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batsnacks
United States4466 Posts
Go host on licchess so we can all obs. | ||
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vndestiny
Singapore3441 Posts
On November 18 2014 01:24 Laertes wrote: I am also a 2k+ rated player. Besides that, I know endings very well. I also understand that even though white has a knight, black has a pawn majority and will force black back. I will post some concrete lines a little later. I still have no idea what's your position in the argument is =/. So you're saying Black is actually better in this position/white have a substantial chance of loosing or what ? Edit: not account for surprise blunders of (26. Kd2) magnitude. Oh as the poster below me clarify that you're arguing Black would be better/advantaged after a Rook exchange ? Er no comment on that - _ - | ||
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Aylear
Norway3988 Posts
On November 18 2014 01:24 Laertes wrote: I am also a 2k+ rated player. Besides that, I know endings very well. I also understand that even though white has a knight, black has a pawn majority and will force black back. I will post some concrete lines a little later. You are trying to argue that GM Anand - world chess champion - looked at the very basic idea of exchanging rooks (a position that is frankly not that difficult to analyze from there) and somehow came to the wrong conclusion that it was a losing position. And then you are saying that the GMs who are watching this game that have also considered a rook trade and are saying it is a win for white are also erroneous. You, however - brilliant, keen master's mind that you are - have seen through this position, and have arrived at the right conclusion that will stun the chess world. You will never make it in chess with this attitude. It cannot happen. You are trying to reinvent physics, not iterate on it. | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
On November 18 2014 01:41 Nyxisto wrote: It's simply idiotic. If black could win with a pawn storm everyone's computer would show it within a second. The fact that the engine gives +x means that it's either won or a drawn endgame the computer doesn't understand. Computers all cheat anyways, just ask Kasperov. | ||
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
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batsnacks
United States4466 Posts
On November 18 2014 01:50 Orome wrote: 'Chess computers are like toasters.' -Kasparov In their defense, toasters do make better toast than I can. | ||
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