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On July 23 2013 22:45 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 22:43 Terranist wrote:
nobody here is actually reading the article. users can opt out of the filter by checking a box and notifying their ISP - this is not the great firewall of china. all it does is allow an easy mechanism for filtering content from children of many parents who aren't technologically inclined to do so on their own. Well not only is this the slippery slope. It outright bans fictional rape porn (which is basically all BDSM porn) and David Cameron has already said he plans to restrict other things he finds morally offensive on the internet.
To be fair to him, he did say that these things can be found in the "darkest corners of the internet". I don't think he was talking about any standard porn site, more like the dark world of 4Chan and other places Google does not go. Some BDSM sites will also be caught in the filter, but users can opt out if they want.
As long there is the option to opt out, I see no problem with this sort of filtering. Expecting every family to filter all this stuff on their own is to daunting.
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On July 23 2013 22:51 i zig zag around you wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 22:49 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 23 2013 22:48 i zig zag around you wrote:On July 23 2013 22:46 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 23 2013 22:44 hzflank wrote:On July 23 2013 22:40 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 23 2013 22:38 hzflank wrote:On July 23 2013 22:35 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 23 2013 22:34 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 23 2013 22:33 i zig zag around you wrote:
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you need to read before you comment. i never said it was any of my business, i'm saying i have a problem with people who're turned on by child porn and rape. that's my opinion and i can't feel however i want about it without anyone telling me anything. Fake rape is not rape. Would you rather people watch fake rape porn, or actually go out on the streets and sexually assault other people? Just to be devil's advocate here how do you know that watching fake rape porn wouldn't get people interested in rape who otherwise wouldn't be? You don't. But then how do you know that playing Starcraft 2 wouldn't get people into injecting themselves with steroids and going on a shooting spree? That isn't even slightly analogous. People play because they enjoy the strategy and being pitted against someone in competition. People watch rape because it turns them on, which is the same reason people rape people. Fair enough. However, I am not sure that people rape because it turns them on. There are probably a lot of different reasons why people rape, but I doubt there are many people for who the idea of rape is a turn on. It is my understanding that people usually rape because some crippling insecurity/trauma left them with a dire need to feel powerful and in charge. It makes sense to me that if someone did indeed have such a drive, they would actually go out and rape someone, or at least attempt to, instead of watching pornography of simulated rape. my point was that people who're interested in rape might be into it online as well. But if they're already interested into rape then there's a fair chance they'll slip up and get caught by the police. I don't see how them watching a video online changes anything. well, i disagree, that's all i'm saying. if some troubled kid is watching rape porn a couple of times a day over a long period he might get the wrong idea.
It is the job of the parents to stop their children seeing that. Just like it's the parents job to stop them drinking alcohol, taking drugs, smoking, watching inappropriate movies, seeing violence, swearing or anything else the parents doesn't deem suitable for their kids.
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On July 23 2013 22:42 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 22:40 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 23 2013 22:38 hzflank wrote:On July 23 2013 22:35 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 23 2013 22:34 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 23 2013 22:33 i zig zag around you wrote:On July 23 2013 22:30 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 23 2013 22:27 i zig zag around you wrote:On July 23 2013 22:23 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 23 2013 22:17 i zig zag around you wrote:
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i don't think you understand what i'm trying to say. the problem is not the fact that "simulated" rape porn is not real, it's the fact that it does stimulate *some* people. just like how violence in movies, games, animal abuse, etc. helps stimulate *some* people and ultimately motivates these people to do things to others in the real world. that's all i'm saying.
So you're completely ignoring the fact that rape is one of man's oldest past times? Hell 50% of the reason men used to go to war pre Napoleonic era was because they'd be able to rape the native women once they won (the other 50% being money). People have always committed rape, there is no link at all between it and watching rape porn. The percentage of men who would rape someone given the opportunity is right now at an all time low for humanity. The information age does not have a monopoly on violence, I don't know where you insane people get off on this madness. no, i'm not ignoring it. i'm saying that if some people are stimulated by rape, they shouldn't have access to it 24 hours a day from their computer. it's like letting pyromaniac teenagers play with fire, or convicted murders walk with guns. it's just not *right* if you ask me. this has nothing to do with history, lol. but hey, if you're alright with child molesters having access to child porn from their personal computer at home, be my guest. but it's in my opinion that it's wrong. The information age does not have a monopoly on violence, I don't know where you insane people get off on this madness.
It's also none of your fucking business what gets me or anyone else off where consenting adults are involved. Last I checked the thought police came from a fiction book not the UK circa 2013. also, i have no idea what your problem is, but you need to calm the fuck down when you reply to me. You're equating child porn and FAKE rape porn. That makes absolutely no sense. And Aeroplane is perfectly correct that it's none of your business what people use for sexual relief, so long as it's not against the law. you need to read before you comment. i never said it was any of my business, i'm saying i have a problem with people who're turned on by child porn and rape. that's my opinion and i can't feel however i want about it without anyone telling me anything. Fake rape is not rape. Would you rather people watch fake rape porn, or actually go out on the streets and sexually assault other people? Just to be devil's advocate here how do you know that watching fake rape porn wouldn't get people interested in rape who otherwise wouldn't be? You don't. But then how do you know that playing Starcraft 2 wouldn't get people into injecting themselves with steroids and going on a shooting spree? That isn't even slightly analogous. People play because they enjoy the strategy and being pitted against someone in competition. People watch rape because it turns them on, which is the same reason people rape people. Loads and loads of women like men to take control during sex/rough sex in general. Woman do not enjoy being actually raped. There is a massive difference between fictional and factitious scenarios. Can we ban Ann Summers from selling schoolgirl outfits because it might encourage paedophillia?
yes, we can.
in Australia: schoolgirl outfits, A-cup sized breasts, simpsons/cartoon porn and written stories are all considered child pornography by law and treated as such (you are not allowed any porn with a-cups or schoolgirl props)
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On July 23 2013 22:51 i zig zag around you wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 22:49 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 23 2013 22:48 i zig zag around you wrote:On July 23 2013 22:46 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 23 2013 22:44 hzflank wrote:On July 23 2013 22:40 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 23 2013 22:38 hzflank wrote:On July 23 2013 22:35 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 23 2013 22:34 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 23 2013 22:33 i zig zag around you wrote:
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you need to read before you comment. i never said it was any of my business, i'm saying i have a problem with people who're turned on by child porn and rape. that's my opinion and i can't feel however i want about it without anyone telling me anything. Fake rape is not rape. Would you rather people watch fake rape porn, or actually go out on the streets and sexually assault other people? Just to be devil's advocate here how do you know that watching fake rape porn wouldn't get people interested in rape who otherwise wouldn't be? You don't. But then how do you know that playing Starcraft 2 wouldn't get people into injecting themselves with steroids and going on a shooting spree? That isn't even slightly analogous. People play because they enjoy the strategy and being pitted against someone in competition. People watch rape because it turns them on, which is the same reason people rape people. Fair enough. However, I am not sure that people rape because it turns them on. There are probably a lot of different reasons why people rape, but I doubt there are many people for who the idea of rape is a turn on. It is my understanding that people usually rape because some crippling insecurity/trauma left them with a dire need to feel powerful and in charge. It makes sense to me that if someone did indeed have such a drive, they would actually go out and rape someone, or at least attempt to, instead of watching pornography of simulated rape. my point was that people who're interested in rape might be into it online as well. But if they're already interested into rape then there's a fair chance they'll slip up and get caught by the police. I don't see how them watching a video online changes anything. well, i disagree, that's all i'm saying. if some troubled kid is watching rape porn a couple of times a day over a long period of time he might get the wrong idea.
This is completely baseless assumptions how many people play violent games, are gamers the most dangerous group in society? There is as much prove to that as saying that it helps somebody who want to rape to have an outlet without actually committing the crime, nobody is forced to watch any kind of porn you have to choose this porn in the first place.
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On July 23 2013 22:53 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 22:45 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 23 2013 22:43 Terranist wrote:
nobody here is actually reading the article. users can opt out of the filter by checking a box and notifying their ISP - this is not the great firewall of china. all it does is allow an easy mechanism for filtering content from children of many parents who aren't technologically inclined to do so on their own. Well not only is this the slippery slope. It outright bans fictional rape porn (which is basically all BDSM porn) and David Cameron has already said he plans to restrict other things he finds morally offensive on the internet. To be fair to him, he did say that these things can be found in the "darkest corners of the internet". I don't think he was talking about any standard porn site, more like the dark world of 4Chan and other places Google does not go. Some BDSM sites will also be caught in the filter, but users can opt out if they want. As long there is the option to opt out, I see no problem with this sort of filtering. Expecting every family to filter all this stuff on their own is to daunting.
The stuff on HiddenWiki/TOR is illegal anyway already.
Almost all BDSM porn is essentially rape porn, which you can't opt out of. So basically if you're on any normal porn site and click the wrong link you're essentially a sex offender. It's the dumbest, most ridiculous law I've ever seen.
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On July 23 2013 22:53 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 22:45 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 23 2013 22:43 Terranist wrote:
nobody here is actually reading the article. users can opt out of the filter by checking a box and notifying their ISP - this is not the great firewall of china. all it does is allow an easy mechanism for filtering content from children of many parents who aren't technologically inclined to do so on their own. Well not only is this the slippery slope. It outright bans fictional rape porn (which is basically all BDSM porn) and David Cameron has already said he plans to restrict other things he finds morally offensive on the internet. To be fair to him, he did say that these things can be found in the "darkest corners of the internet". I don't think he was talking about any standard porn site, more like the dark world of 4Chan and other places Google does not go. Some BDSM sites will also be caught in the filter, but users can opt out if they want. As long there is the option to opt out, I see no problem with this sort of filtering. Expecting every family to filter all this stuff on their own is to daunting.
The opt out is for standard porn. I don't mind that, personally. The only problem that I have with it is that your average teenager will get around the filter in 30 seconds. For example, The Pirate Bay is blocked here in the same way, but a simple web proxy allows people to access it.
Possession of simulated rape porn will be a sex offence. That is really dangerous, as simulate rape can be found on standard porn sites. I do not want to be a sex offender because I clicked on a link to a BDSM video. There are many other ways to accidentally come into possession of something that may be classes as simulated rape porn.
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On July 23 2013 22:54 FFGenerations wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 22:42 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 23 2013 22:40 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 23 2013 22:38 hzflank wrote:On July 23 2013 22:35 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 23 2013 22:34 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 23 2013 22:33 i zig zag around you wrote:On July 23 2013 22:30 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 23 2013 22:27 i zig zag around you wrote:On July 23 2013 22:23 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
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So you're completely ignoring the fact that rape is one of man's oldest past times? Hell 50% of the reason men used to go to war pre Napoleonic era was because they'd be able to rape the native women once they won (the other 50% being money). People have always committed rape, there is no link at all between it and watching rape porn. The percentage of men who would rape someone given the opportunity is right now at an all time low for humanity.
The information age does not have a monopoly on violence, I don't know where you insane people get off on this madness.
no, i'm not ignoring it. i'm saying that if some people are stimulated by rape, they shouldn't have access to it 24 hours a day from their computer. it's like letting pyromaniac teenagers play with fire, or convicted murders walk with guns. it's just not *right* if you ask me. this has nothing to do with history, lol. but hey, if you're alright with child molesters having access to child porn from their personal computer at home, be my guest. but it's in my opinion that it's wrong. The information age does not have a monopoly on violence, I don't know where you insane people get off on this madness.
It's also none of your fucking business what gets me or anyone else off where consenting adults are involved. Last I checked the thought police came from a fiction book not the UK circa 2013. also, i have no idea what your problem is, but you need to calm the fuck down when you reply to me. You're equating child porn and FAKE rape porn. That makes absolutely no sense. And Aeroplane is perfectly correct that it's none of your business what people use for sexual relief, so long as it's not against the law. you need to read before you comment. i never said it was any of my business, i'm saying i have a problem with people who're turned on by child porn and rape. that's my opinion and i can't feel however i want about it without anyone telling me anything. Fake rape is not rape. Would you rather people watch fake rape porn, or actually go out on the streets and sexually assault other people? Just to be devil's advocate here how do you know that watching fake rape porn wouldn't get people interested in rape who otherwise wouldn't be? You don't. But then how do you know that playing Starcraft 2 wouldn't get people into injecting themselves with steroids and going on a shooting spree? That isn't even slightly analogous. People play because they enjoy the strategy and being pitted against someone in competition. People watch rape because it turns them on, which is the same reason people rape people. Loads and loads of women like men to take control during sex/rough sex in general. Woman do not enjoy being actually raped. There is a massive difference between fictional and factitious scenarios. Can we ban Ann Summers from selling schoolgirl outfits because it might encourage paedophillia? yes, we can. in Australia: schoolgirl outfits, A-cup sized breasts, simpsons/cartoon porn and written stories are all considered child pornography by law and treated as such (you are not allowed any porn with a-cups or schoolgirl props)
What the fuck?
So is it safe to assume that rape figures are now down across the board over in Australia?
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On July 23 2013 22:54 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 22:51 i zig zag around you wrote:On July 23 2013 22:49 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 23 2013 22:48 i zig zag around you wrote:On July 23 2013 22:46 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 23 2013 22:44 hzflank wrote:On July 23 2013 22:40 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 23 2013 22:38 hzflank wrote:On July 23 2013 22:35 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 23 2013 22:34 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
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Fake rape is not rape.
Would you rather people watch fake rape porn, or actually go out on the streets and sexually assault other people? Just to be devil's advocate here how do you know that watching fake rape porn wouldn't get people interested in rape who otherwise wouldn't be? You don't. But then how do you know that playing Starcraft 2 wouldn't get people into injecting themselves with steroids and going on a shooting spree? That isn't even slightly analogous. People play because they enjoy the strategy and being pitted against someone in competition. People watch rape because it turns them on, which is the same reason people rape people. Fair enough. However, I am not sure that people rape because it turns them on. There are probably a lot of different reasons why people rape, but I doubt there are many people for who the idea of rape is a turn on. It is my understanding that people usually rape because some crippling insecurity/trauma left them with a dire need to feel powerful and in charge. It makes sense to me that if someone did indeed have such a drive, they would actually go out and rape someone, or at least attempt to, instead of watching pornography of simulated rape. my point was that people who're interested in rape might be into it online as well. But if they're already interested into rape then there's a fair chance they'll slip up and get caught by the police. I don't see how them watching a video online changes anything. well, i disagree, that's all i'm saying. if some troubled kid is watching rape porn a couple of times a day over a long period he might get the wrong idea. It is the job of the parents to stop their children seeing that. Just like it's the parents job to stop them drinking alcohol, taking drugs, smoking, watching inappropriate movies, seeing violence, swearing or anything else the parents doesn't deem suitable for their kids.
Governments still require pornographic magazines to be keep out of reach of children in stores, or in their own section. Same with movies. Making an "adults only" section of the internet isn't that bad if adults can get in. It is just providing parents with a tool to keep the children out of the adults only section. Age gates aren’t really doing it, after all.
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On July 23 2013 22:54 FFGenerations wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 22:42 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 23 2013 22:40 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 23 2013 22:38 hzflank wrote:On July 23 2013 22:35 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 23 2013 22:34 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 23 2013 22:33 i zig zag around you wrote:On July 23 2013 22:30 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 23 2013 22:27 i zig zag around you wrote:On July 23 2013 22:23 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
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So you're completely ignoring the fact that rape is one of man's oldest past times? Hell 50% of the reason men used to go to war pre Napoleonic era was because they'd be able to rape the native women once they won (the other 50% being money). People have always committed rape, there is no link at all between it and watching rape porn. The percentage of men who would rape someone given the opportunity is right now at an all time low for humanity.
The information age does not have a monopoly on violence, I don't know where you insane people get off on this madness.
no, i'm not ignoring it. i'm saying that if some people are stimulated by rape, they shouldn't have access to it 24 hours a day from their computer. it's like letting pyromaniac teenagers play with fire, or convicted murders walk with guns. it's just not *right* if you ask me. this has nothing to do with history, lol. but hey, if you're alright with child molesters having access to child porn from their personal computer at home, be my guest. but it's in my opinion that it's wrong. The information age does not have a monopoly on violence, I don't know where you insane people get off on this madness.
It's also none of your fucking business what gets me or anyone else off where consenting adults are involved. Last I checked the thought police came from a fiction book not the UK circa 2013. also, i have no idea what your problem is, but you need to calm the fuck down when you reply to me. You're equating child porn and FAKE rape porn. That makes absolutely no sense. And Aeroplane is perfectly correct that it's none of your business what people use for sexual relief, so long as it's not against the law. you need to read before you comment. i never said it was any of my business, i'm saying i have a problem with people who're turned on by child porn and rape. that's my opinion and i can't feel however i want about it without anyone telling me anything. Fake rape is not rape. Would you rather people watch fake rape porn, or actually go out on the streets and sexually assault other people? Just to be devil's advocate here how do you know that watching fake rape porn wouldn't get people interested in rape who otherwise wouldn't be? You don't. But then how do you know that playing Starcraft 2 wouldn't get people into injecting themselves with steroids and going on a shooting spree? That isn't even slightly analogous. People play because they enjoy the strategy and being pitted against someone in competition. People watch rape because it turns them on, which is the same reason people rape people. Loads and loads of women like men to take control during sex/rough sex in general. Woman do not enjoy being actually raped. There is a massive difference between fictional and factitious scenarios. Can we ban Ann Summers from selling schoolgirl outfits because it might encourage paedophillia? yes, we can. in Australia: schoolgirl outfits, A-cup sized breasts, simpsons/cartoon porn and written stories are all considered child pornography by law and treated as such (you are not allowed any porn with a-cups or schoolgirl props)
lol so adult female can't play in porn when her breast are small, Australia has some of the most ridiculous media restricting laws, did rape, and violence disappeared already in Australia? There is no single shred of evidence that this does anything,
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TotalBiscuit tweeted this pic about this issue and the hypocrisy of the Daily Mail - a British newspaper for the terminally outraged. They campaign against the evils of porn on the internet and yet you can see how they love to show the flesh to drive hits for their 'articles'.
![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BPxzvNUCEAAK5kf.jpg:large)
I always knew Cameron was a tosser. I never voted for him, and never will. He is only PM in the first place because Clegg wanted the Lib Dems to have some power.
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On July 23 2013 22:59 Polis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 22:54 FFGenerations wrote:On July 23 2013 22:42 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 23 2013 22:40 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 23 2013 22:38 hzflank wrote:On July 23 2013 22:35 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 23 2013 22:34 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 23 2013 22:33 i zig zag around you wrote:On July 23 2013 22:30 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 23 2013 22:27 i zig zag around you wrote:
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no, i'm not ignoring it. i'm saying that if some people are stimulated by rape, they shouldn't have access to it 24 hours a day from their computer. it's like letting pyromaniac teenagers play with fire, or convicted murders walk with guns. it's just not *right* if you ask me. this has nothing to do with history, lol.
but hey, if you're alright with child molesters having access to child porn from their personal computer at home, be my guest. but it's in my opinion that it's wrong.
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also, i have no idea what your problem is, but you need to calm the fuck down when you reply to me. You're equating child porn and FAKE rape porn. That makes absolutely no sense. And Aeroplane is perfectly correct that it's none of your business what people use for sexual relief, so long as it's not against the law. you need to read before you comment. i never said it was any of my business, i'm saying i have a problem with people who're turned on by child porn and rape. that's my opinion and i can't feel however i want about it without anyone telling me anything. Fake rape is not rape. Would you rather people watch fake rape porn, or actually go out on the streets and sexually assault other people? Just to be devil's advocate here how do you know that watching fake rape porn wouldn't get people interested in rape who otherwise wouldn't be? You don't. But then how do you know that playing Starcraft 2 wouldn't get people into injecting themselves with steroids and going on a shooting spree? That isn't even slightly analogous. People play because they enjoy the strategy and being pitted against someone in competition. People watch rape because it turns them on, which is the same reason people rape people. Loads and loads of women like men to take control during sex/rough sex in general. Woman do not enjoy being actually raped. There is a massive difference between fictional and factitious scenarios. Can we ban Ann Summers from selling schoolgirl outfits because it might encourage paedophillia? yes, we can. in Australia: schoolgirl outfits, A-cup sized breasts, simpsons/cartoon porn and written stories are all considered child pornography by law and treated as such (you are not allowed any porn with a-cups or schoolgirl props) lol so adult female can't play in porn when her breast are small, Australia has some of the most ridiculous media restricting laws, did rape, and violence disappeared already in Australia? There is no single shred of evidence that this does anything,
so according to your logic thus far, if there is no evidence on the matter, you're not allowed to have an opinion?
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On July 23 2013 22:58 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 22:54 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 23 2013 22:51 i zig zag around you wrote:On July 23 2013 22:49 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 23 2013 22:48 i zig zag around you wrote:On July 23 2013 22:46 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 23 2013 22:44 hzflank wrote:On July 23 2013 22:40 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 23 2013 22:38 hzflank wrote:On July 23 2013 22:35 Jockmcplop wrote:
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Just to be devil's advocate here how do you know that watching fake rape porn wouldn't get people interested in rape who otherwise wouldn't be? You don't. But then how do you know that playing Starcraft 2 wouldn't get people into injecting themselves with steroids and going on a shooting spree? That isn't even slightly analogous. People play because they enjoy the strategy and being pitted against someone in competition. People watch rape because it turns them on, which is the same reason people rape people. Fair enough. However, I am not sure that people rape because it turns them on. There are probably a lot of different reasons why people rape, but I doubt there are many people for who the idea of rape is a turn on. It is my understanding that people usually rape because some crippling insecurity/trauma left them with a dire need to feel powerful and in charge. It makes sense to me that if someone did indeed have such a drive, they would actually go out and rape someone, or at least attempt to, instead of watching pornography of simulated rape. my point was that people who're interested in rape might be into it online as well. But if they're already interested into rape then there's a fair chance they'll slip up and get caught by the police. I don't see how them watching a video online changes anything. well, i disagree, that's all i'm saying. if some troubled kid is watching rape porn a couple of times a day over a long period he might get the wrong idea. It is the job of the parents to stop their children seeing that. Just like it's the parents job to stop them drinking alcohol, taking drugs, smoking, watching inappropriate movies, seeing violence, swearing or anything else the parents doesn't deem suitable for their kids. Governments still require pornographic magazines to be keep out of reach of children in stores, or in their own section. Same with movies. Making an "adults only" section of the internet isn't that bad if adults can get in. It is just providing parents with a tool to keep the children out of the adults only section. Age gates aren’t really doing it, after all.
So when I go on porn hub once this passes I'm basically walking across a crime minefield where one misclick and I'm a sex offender. Do you think that is a sensible policy?
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On July 23 2013 23:00 revel8 wrote:TotalBiscuit tweeted this pic about this issue and the hypocrisy of the Daily Mail - a British newspaper for the terminally outraged. They campaign against the evils of porn on the internet and yet you can see how they love to show the flesh to drive hits for their 'articles'. I always knew Cameron was a tosser. I never voted for him, and never will. He is only PM in the first place because Clegg wanted the Lib Dems to have some power.
God I hate The Daily Mail.
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On July 23 2013 22:57 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 22:53 Plansix wrote:On July 23 2013 22:45 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 23 2013 22:43 Terranist wrote:
nobody here is actually reading the article. users can opt out of the filter by checking a box and notifying their ISP - this is not the great firewall of china. all it does is allow an easy mechanism for filtering content from children of many parents who aren't technologically inclined to do so on their own. Well not only is this the slippery slope. It outright bans fictional rape porn (which is basically all BDSM porn) and David Cameron has already said he plans to restrict other things he finds morally offensive on the internet. To be fair to him, he did say that these things can be found in the "darkest corners of the internet". I don't think he was talking about any standard porn site, more like the dark world of 4Chan and other places Google does not go. Some BDSM sites will also be caught in the filter, but users can opt out if they want. As long there is the option to opt out, I see no problem with this sort of filtering. Expecting every family to filter all this stuff on their own is to daunting. The opt out is for standard porn. I don't mind that, personally. The only problem that I have with it is that your average teenager will get around the filter in 30 seconds. For example, The Pirate Bay is blocked here in the same way, but a simple web proxy allows people to access it. Possession of simulated rape porn will be a sex offence. That is really dangerous, as simulate rape can be found on standard porn sites. I do not want to be a sex offender because I clicked on a link to a BDSM video. There are many other ways to accidentally come into possession of something that may be classes as simulated rape porn.
The part about the BDSM sites will need to be cleared up or worked on for sure. There is some non-sense on the internet however and I would hate to see it lead to a rash of impressionable kids doing dumb, abusing things to their girlfriends(lets be clearly, I mean real kids). After the whole Bum Fights videos leading to the beating deaths of a couple of homeless people, I don't trust kids with every video thats out there.
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I don't know why anyone would take the Daily Mail seriously lol.
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I'm cool with this. RIP in peace pornography.
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On July 23 2013 23:00 revel8 wrote:TotalBiscuit tweeted this pic about this issue and the hypocrisy of the Daily Mail - a British newspaper for the terminally outraged. They campaign against the evils of porn on the internet and yet you can see how they love to show the flesh to drive hits for their 'articles'. + Show Spoiler +I always knew Cameron was a tosser. I never voted for him, and never will. He is only PM in the first place because Clegg wanted the Lib Dems to have some power.
The best is the Chloe Moretz text. Hahaha.
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On July 23 2013 22:48 i zig zag around you wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 22:46 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 23 2013 22:44 hzflank wrote:On July 23 2013 22:40 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 23 2013 22:38 hzflank wrote:On July 23 2013 22:35 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 23 2013 22:34 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 23 2013 22:33 i zig zag around you wrote:On July 23 2013 22:30 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 23 2013 22:27 i zig zag around you wrote:
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no, i'm not ignoring it. i'm saying that if some people are stimulated by rape, they shouldn't have access to it 24 hours a day from their computer. it's like letting pyromaniac teenagers play with fire, or convicted murders walk with guns. it's just not *right* if you ask me. this has nothing to do with history, lol.
but hey, if you're alright with child molesters having access to child porn from their personal computer at home, be my guest. but it's in my opinion that it's wrong.
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also, i have no idea what your problem is, but you need to calm the fuck down when you reply to me. You're equating child porn and FAKE rape porn. That makes absolutely no sense. And Aeroplane is perfectly correct that it's none of your business what people use for sexual relief, so long as it's not against the law. you need to read before you comment. i never said it was any of my business, i'm saying i have a problem with people who're turned on by child porn and rape. that's my opinion and i can't feel however i want about it without anyone telling me anything. Fake rape is not rape. Would you rather people watch fake rape porn, or actually go out on the streets and sexually assault other people? Just to be devil's advocate here how do you know that watching fake rape porn wouldn't get people interested in rape who otherwise wouldn't be? You don't. But then how do you know that playing Starcraft 2 wouldn't get people into injecting themselves with steroids and going on a shooting spree? That isn't even slightly analogous. People play because they enjoy the strategy and being pitted against someone in competition. People watch rape because it turns them on, which is the same reason people rape people. Fair enough. However, I am not sure that people rape because it turns them on. There are probably a lot of different reasons why people rape, but I doubt there are many people for who the idea of rape is a turn on. It is my understanding that people usually rape because some crippling insecurity/trauma left them with a dire need to feel powerful and in charge. It makes sense to me that if someone did indeed have such a drive, they would actually go out and rape someone, or at least attempt to, instead of watching pornography of simulated rape. my point was that people who're interested in rape might be into it online as well.
You don't make any sense now. If a guy is a molester or a raper, it makes zero difference whether he watches fake rape porn or not.
Let's have 3 scenarios here. 1/ A sex criminal gets turn on by fake rape porn. He goes out and rape ppl. 2/ A guy who is not gonna commit a crime because he's a sane person and gets turn on by rape porn because that's his thing. No crime commit. 3/ A sex criminal who doesn't watch porn. He goes out and rape ppl.
Conclusion: the porn makes 0 relevant what so ever because it's FAKE, it's NOT REAL entertainment. Also you're accusing ppl who have different opinion than your ridiculous one of defending child molesters and literacy? Wtf dude :|
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On July 23 2013 23:01 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 22:58 Plansix wrote:On July 23 2013 22:54 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 23 2013 22:51 i zig zag around you wrote:On July 23 2013 22:49 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 23 2013 22:48 i zig zag around you wrote:On July 23 2013 22:46 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 23 2013 22:44 hzflank wrote:On July 23 2013 22:40 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 23 2013 22:38 hzflank wrote:
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You don't. But then how do you know that playing Starcraft 2 wouldn't get people into injecting themselves with steroids and going on a shooting spree? That isn't even slightly analogous. People play because they enjoy the strategy and being pitted against someone in competition. People watch rape because it turns them on, which is the same reason people rape people. Fair enough. However, I am not sure that people rape because it turns them on. There are probably a lot of different reasons why people rape, but I doubt there are many people for who the idea of rape is a turn on. It is my understanding that people usually rape because some crippling insecurity/trauma left them with a dire need to feel powerful and in charge. It makes sense to me that if someone did indeed have such a drive, they would actually go out and rape someone, or at least attempt to, instead of watching pornography of simulated rape. my point was that people who're interested in rape might be into it online as well. But if they're already interested into rape then there's a fair chance they'll slip up and get caught by the police. I don't see how them watching a video online changes anything. well, i disagree, that's all i'm saying. if some troubled kid is watching rape porn a couple of times a day over a long period he might get the wrong idea. It is the job of the parents to stop their children seeing that. Just like it's the parents job to stop them drinking alcohol, taking drugs, smoking, watching inappropriate movies, seeing violence, swearing or anything else the parents doesn't deem suitable for their kids. Governments still require pornographic magazines to be keep out of reach of children in stores, or in their own section. Same with movies. Making an "adults only" section of the internet isn't that bad if adults can get in. It is just providing parents with a tool to keep the children out of the adults only section. Age gates aren’t really doing it, after all. So when I go on porn hub once this passes I'm basically walking across a crime minefield where one misclick and I'm a sex offender. Do you think that is a sensible policy?
No, they should work on that part of the bill and make sure that people won't be charged for a misclick. The concept is sound and there is some dark stuff on the internet. As long as they can tell the difference between a PPV website with some darker content and the darkest sections of 4Chan, I think the law will work as intented.
Its a proposed bill, from my understanding. It will be worked on and adjusted. They don't want to charge people with being sex offenders due to a misclick.
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On July 23 2013 23:01 i zig zag around you wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 22:59 Polis wrote:On July 23 2013 22:54 FFGenerations wrote:On July 23 2013 22:42 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 23 2013 22:40 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 23 2013 22:38 hzflank wrote:On July 23 2013 22:35 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 23 2013 22:34 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 23 2013 22:33 i zig zag around you wrote:On July 23 2013 22:30 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
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You're equating child porn and FAKE rape porn. That makes absolutely no sense.
And Aeroplane is perfectly correct that it's none of your business what people use for sexual relief, so long as it's not against the law. you need to read before you comment. i never said it was any of my business, i'm saying i have a problem with people who're turned on by child porn and rape. that's my opinion and i can't feel however i want about it without anyone telling me anything. Fake rape is not rape. Would you rather people watch fake rape porn, or actually go out on the streets and sexually assault other people? Just to be devil's advocate here how do you know that watching fake rape porn wouldn't get people interested in rape who otherwise wouldn't be? You don't. But then how do you know that playing Starcraft 2 wouldn't get people into injecting themselves with steroids and going on a shooting spree? That isn't even slightly analogous. People play because they enjoy the strategy and being pitted against someone in competition. People watch rape because it turns them on, which is the same reason people rape people. Loads and loads of women like men to take control during sex/rough sex in general. Woman do not enjoy being actually raped. There is a massive difference between fictional and factitious scenarios. Can we ban Ann Summers from selling schoolgirl outfits because it might encourage paedophillia? yes, we can. in Australia: schoolgirl outfits, A-cup sized breasts, simpsons/cartoon porn and written stories are all considered child pornography by law and treated as such (you are not allowed any porn with a-cups or schoolgirl props) lol so adult female can't play in porn when her breast are small, Australia has some of the most ridiculous media restricting laws, did rape, and violence disappeared already in Australia? There is no single shred of evidence that this does anything, so according to your logic thus far, if there is no evidence on the matter, you're not allowed to have an opinion?
According to me you shouldn't restrict, and control media when you have no evidence that this helps with anything, Calling something a fact isn't an opinion facts are defined as factual verifiable informations.
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