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On July 23 2013 22:38 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 22:35 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 23 2013 22:34 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 23 2013 22:33 i zig zag around you wrote:On July 23 2013 22:30 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 23 2013 22:27 i zig zag around you wrote:On July 23 2013 22:23 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 23 2013 22:17 i zig zag around you wrote:On July 23 2013 22:11 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 23 2013 21:57 i zig zag around you wrote:
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i don't know what you think rape is, but rape looks nothing like "simulated" rape on video. i've never thought about this before, but now that i am, i can see why the government wants to remove access to "simulated" rape porn and child porn since it, apparently, does turn on a percentage of people.
it's just a thought, but really, if someone is turned on by rape and sex with children, aren't they *more likely* to become the ones who do this? i mean, that's just what i think, lol. Rape is as old as mankind itself. It has been going on for thousands upon thousands of years, it has nothing at all to do with internet porn. On July 23 2013 21:54 i zig zag around you wrote:
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well rape and sex with minors are both illegal, so i'm pretty sure i understand why they put these two types of porn into same category. however, i don't think that *watching* this makes you a convicted sex offender, lol. this kind of filter is to prevent *some* people to get teh wrong ideas. Except this isn't rape, the is simulated rape, hence IT'S NOT FUCKING REAL. Just like Saw is simulated torture, 100% of action films have simulated murder, Harry Potter has simulated witchcraft, WWE is simulated bare knuckle/no rules fighting and Chess is simulated regicide. None of those things are illegal because they're not real, they're fake and it's fucking retarded beyond all fucking measures to censor something which is fake. i don't think you understand what i'm trying to say. the problem is not the fact that "simulated" rape porn is not real, it's the fact that it does stimulate *some* people. just like how violence in movies, games, animal abuse, etc. helps stimulate *some* people and ultimately motivates these people to do things to others in the real world. that's all i'm saying. So you're completely ignoring the fact that rape is one of man's oldest past times? Hell 50% of the reason men used to go to war pre Napoleonic era was because they'd be able to rape the native women once they won (the other 50% being money). People have always committed rape, there is no link at all between it and watching rape porn. The percentage of men who would rape someone given the opportunity is right now at an all time low for humanity. The information age does not have a monopoly on violence, I don't know where you insane people get off on this madness. no, i'm not ignoring it. i'm saying that if some people are stimulated by rape, they shouldn't have access to it 24 hours a day from their computer. it's like letting pyromaniac teenagers play with fire, or convicted murders walk with guns. it's just not *right* if you ask me. this has nothing to do with history, lol. but hey, if you're alright with child molesters having access to child porn from their personal computer at home, be my guest. but it's in my opinion that it's wrong. The information age does not have a monopoly on violence, I don't know where you insane people get off on this madness.
It's also none of your fucking business what gets me or anyone else off where consenting adults are involved. Last I checked the thought police came from a fiction book not the UK circa 2013. also, i have no idea what your problem is, but you need to calm the fuck down when you reply to me. You're equating child porn and FAKE rape porn. That makes absolutely no sense. And Aeroplane is perfectly correct that it's none of your business what people use for sexual relief, so long as it's not against the law. you need to read before you comment. i never said it was any of my business, i'm saying i have a problem with people who're turned on by child porn and rape. that's my opinion and i can't feel however i want about it without anyone telling me anything. Fake rape is not rape. Would you rather people watch fake rape porn, or actually go out on the streets and sexually assault other people? Just to be devil's advocate here how do you know that watching fake rape porn wouldn't get people interested in rape who otherwise wouldn't be? You don't. But then how do you know that playing Starcraft 2 wouldn't get people into injecting themselves with steroids and going on a shooting spree?
That isn't even slightly analogous.
People play because they enjoy the strategy and being pitted against someone in competition. People watch rape because it turns them on, which is the same reason people rape people.
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Suddenly UK CO² emission is diminished by about 50%!! Let's save the planet, don't watch pr0n.
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On July 23 2013 22:40 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 22:38 hzflank wrote:On July 23 2013 22:35 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 23 2013 22:34 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 23 2013 22:33 i zig zag around you wrote:On July 23 2013 22:30 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 23 2013 22:27 i zig zag around you wrote:On July 23 2013 22:23 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 23 2013 22:17 i zig zag around you wrote:On July 23 2013 22:11 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
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Rape is as old as mankind itself. It has been going on for thousands upon thousands of years, it has nothing at all to do with internet porn.
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Except this isn't rape, the is simulated rape, hence IT'S NOT FUCKING REAL. Just like Saw is simulated torture, 100% of action films have simulated murder, Harry Potter has simulated witchcraft, WWE is simulated bare knuckle/no rules fighting and Chess is simulated regicide.
None of those things are illegal because they're not real, they're fake and it's fucking retarded beyond all fucking measures to censor something which is fake. i don't think you understand what i'm trying to say. the problem is not the fact that "simulated" rape porn is not real, it's the fact that it does stimulate *some* people. just like how violence in movies, games, animal abuse, etc. helps stimulate *some* people and ultimately motivates these people to do things to others in the real world. that's all i'm saying. So you're completely ignoring the fact that rape is one of man's oldest past times? Hell 50% of the reason men used to go to war pre Napoleonic era was because they'd be able to rape the native women once they won (the other 50% being money). People have always committed rape, there is no link at all between it and watching rape porn. The percentage of men who would rape someone given the opportunity is right now at an all time low for humanity. The information age does not have a monopoly on violence, I don't know where you insane people get off on this madness. no, i'm not ignoring it. i'm saying that if some people are stimulated by rape, they shouldn't have access to it 24 hours a day from their computer. it's like letting pyromaniac teenagers play with fire, or convicted murders walk with guns. it's just not *right* if you ask me. this has nothing to do with history, lol. but hey, if you're alright with child molesters having access to child porn from their personal computer at home, be my guest. but it's in my opinion that it's wrong. The information age does not have a monopoly on violence, I don't know where you insane people get off on this madness.
It's also none of your fucking business what gets me or anyone else off where consenting adults are involved. Last I checked the thought police came from a fiction book not the UK circa 2013. also, i have no idea what your problem is, but you need to calm the fuck down when you reply to me. You're equating child porn and FAKE rape porn. That makes absolutely no sense. And Aeroplane is perfectly correct that it's none of your business what people use for sexual relief, so long as it's not against the law. you need to read before you comment. i never said it was any of my business, i'm saying i have a problem with people who're turned on by child porn and rape. that's my opinion and i can't feel however i want about it without anyone telling me anything. Fake rape is not rape. Would you rather people watch fake rape porn, or actually go out on the streets and sexually assault other people? Just to be devil's advocate here how do you know that watching fake rape porn wouldn't get people interested in rape who otherwise wouldn't be? You don't. But then how do you know that playing Starcraft 2 wouldn't get people into injecting themselves with steroids and going on a shooting spree? That isn't even slightly analogous. People play because they enjoy the strategy and being pitted against someone in competition. People watch rape because it turns them on, which is the same reason people rape people.
I think you missed my post. 
And Aeroplane's for that matter.
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On July 23 2013 22:40 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 22:40 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 23 2013 22:38 hzflank wrote:On July 23 2013 22:35 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 23 2013 22:34 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 23 2013 22:33 i zig zag around you wrote:On July 23 2013 22:30 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 23 2013 22:27 i zig zag around you wrote:On July 23 2013 22:23 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 23 2013 22:17 i zig zag around you wrote:
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i don't think you understand what i'm trying to say. the problem is not the fact that "simulated" rape porn is not real, it's the fact that it does stimulate *some* people. just like how violence in movies, games, animal abuse, etc. helps stimulate *some* people and ultimately motivates these people to do things to others in the real world. that's all i'm saying.
So you're completely ignoring the fact that rape is one of man's oldest past times? Hell 50% of the reason men used to go to war pre Napoleonic era was because they'd be able to rape the native women once they won (the other 50% being money). People have always committed rape, there is no link at all between it and watching rape porn. The percentage of men who would rape someone given the opportunity is right now at an all time low for humanity. The information age does not have a monopoly on violence, I don't know where you insane people get off on this madness. no, i'm not ignoring it. i'm saying that if some people are stimulated by rape, they shouldn't have access to it 24 hours a day from their computer. it's like letting pyromaniac teenagers play with fire, or convicted murders walk with guns. it's just not *right* if you ask me. this has nothing to do with history, lol. but hey, if you're alright with child molesters having access to child porn from their personal computer at home, be my guest. but it's in my opinion that it's wrong. The information age does not have a monopoly on violence, I don't know where you insane people get off on this madness.
It's also none of your fucking business what gets me or anyone else off where consenting adults are involved. Last I checked the thought police came from a fiction book not the UK circa 2013. also, i have no idea what your problem is, but you need to calm the fuck down when you reply to me. You're equating child porn and FAKE rape porn. That makes absolutely no sense. And Aeroplane is perfectly correct that it's none of your business what people use for sexual relief, so long as it's not against the law. you need to read before you comment. i never said it was any of my business, i'm saying i have a problem with people who're turned on by child porn and rape. that's my opinion and i can't feel however i want about it without anyone telling me anything. Fake rape is not rape. Would you rather people watch fake rape porn, or actually go out on the streets and sexually assault other people? Just to be devil's advocate here how do you know that watching fake rape porn wouldn't get people interested in rape who otherwise wouldn't be? You don't. But then how do you know that playing Starcraft 2 wouldn't get people into injecting themselves with steroids and going on a shooting spree? That isn't even slightly analogous. People play because they enjoy the strategy and being pitted against someone in competition. People watch rape because it turns them on, which is the same reason people rape people. I think you missed my post. And Aeroplane's for that matter.
he didn't.
that's exactly what i said and both you and aeroplane began to insult me.
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On July 23 2013 22:39 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 22:35 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 23 2013 22:34 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 23 2013 22:33 i zig zag around you wrote:On July 23 2013 22:30 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 23 2013 22:27 i zig zag around you wrote:On July 23 2013 22:23 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 23 2013 22:17 i zig zag around you wrote:On July 23 2013 22:11 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 23 2013 21:57 i zig zag around you wrote:
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i don't know what you think rape is, but rape looks nothing like "simulated" rape on video. i've never thought about this before, but now that i am, i can see why the government wants to remove access to "simulated" rape porn and child porn since it, apparently, does turn on a percentage of people.
it's just a thought, but really, if someone is turned on by rape and sex with children, aren't they *more likely* to become the ones who do this? i mean, that's just what i think, lol. Rape is as old as mankind itself. It has been going on for thousands upon thousands of years, it has nothing at all to do with internet porn. On July 23 2013 21:54 i zig zag around you wrote:
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well rape and sex with minors are both illegal, so i'm pretty sure i understand why they put these two types of porn into same category. however, i don't think that *watching* this makes you a convicted sex offender, lol. this kind of filter is to prevent *some* people to get teh wrong ideas. Except this isn't rape, the is simulated rape, hence IT'S NOT FUCKING REAL. Just like Saw is simulated torture, 100% of action films have simulated murder, Harry Potter has simulated witchcraft, WWE is simulated bare knuckle/no rules fighting and Chess is simulated regicide. None of those things are illegal because they're not real, they're fake and it's fucking retarded beyond all fucking measures to censor something which is fake. i don't think you understand what i'm trying to say. the problem is not the fact that "simulated" rape porn is not real, it's the fact that it does stimulate *some* people. just like how violence in movies, games, animal abuse, etc. helps stimulate *some* people and ultimately motivates these people to do things to others in the real world. that's all i'm saying. So you're completely ignoring the fact that rape is one of man's oldest past times? Hell 50% of the reason men used to go to war pre Napoleonic era was because they'd be able to rape the native women once they won (the other 50% being money). People have always committed rape, there is no link at all between it and watching rape porn. The percentage of men who would rape someone given the opportunity is right now at an all time low for humanity. The information age does not have a monopoly on violence, I don't know where you insane people get off on this madness. no, i'm not ignoring it. i'm saying that if some people are stimulated by rape, they shouldn't have access to it 24 hours a day from their computer. it's like letting pyromaniac teenagers play with fire, or convicted murders walk with guns. it's just not *right* if you ask me. this has nothing to do with history, lol. but hey, if you're alright with child molesters having access to child porn from their personal computer at home, be my guest. but it's in my opinion that it's wrong. The information age does not have a monopoly on violence, I don't know where you insane people get off on this madness.
It's also none of your fucking business what gets me or anyone else off where consenting adults are involved. Last I checked the thought police came from a fiction book not the UK circa 2013. also, i have no idea what your problem is, but you need to calm the fuck down when you reply to me. You're equating child porn and FAKE rape porn. That makes absolutely no sense. And Aeroplane is perfectly correct that it's none of your business what people use for sexual relief, so long as it's not against the law. you need to read before you comment. i never said it was any of my business, i'm saying i have a problem with people who're turned on by child porn and rape. that's my opinion and i can't feel however i want about it without anyone telling me anything. Fake rape is not rape. Would you rather people watch fake rape porn, or actually go out on the streets and sexually assault other people? Just to be devil's advocate here how do you know that watching fake rape porn wouldn't get people interested in rape who otherwise wouldn't be? The burden of proof is pretty clearly on you there. And even then, where are you drawing that line? Can we ban the media reporting on real rapes because it might encourage others? Can we ban action movies because they glorify murder/guns/violence/irresponsbile driving?
Well i don't have access to those sort of police files so i guess proof is out of the question.
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On July 23 2013 22:40 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 22:38 hzflank wrote:On July 23 2013 22:35 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 23 2013 22:34 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 23 2013 22:33 i zig zag around you wrote:On July 23 2013 22:30 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 23 2013 22:27 i zig zag around you wrote:On July 23 2013 22:23 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 23 2013 22:17 i zig zag around you wrote:On July 23 2013 22:11 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
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Rape is as old as mankind itself. It has been going on for thousands upon thousands of years, it has nothing at all to do with internet porn.
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Except this isn't rape, the is simulated rape, hence IT'S NOT FUCKING REAL. Just like Saw is simulated torture, 100% of action films have simulated murder, Harry Potter has simulated witchcraft, WWE is simulated bare knuckle/no rules fighting and Chess is simulated regicide.
None of those things are illegal because they're not real, they're fake and it's fucking retarded beyond all fucking measures to censor something which is fake. i don't think you understand what i'm trying to say. the problem is not the fact that "simulated" rape porn is not real, it's the fact that it does stimulate *some* people. just like how violence in movies, games, animal abuse, etc. helps stimulate *some* people and ultimately motivates these people to do things to others in the real world. that's all i'm saying. So you're completely ignoring the fact that rape is one of man's oldest past times? Hell 50% of the reason men used to go to war pre Napoleonic era was because they'd be able to rape the native women once they won (the other 50% being money). People have always committed rape, there is no link at all between it and watching rape porn. The percentage of men who would rape someone given the opportunity is right now at an all time low for humanity. The information age does not have a monopoly on violence, I don't know where you insane people get off on this madness. no, i'm not ignoring it. i'm saying that if some people are stimulated by rape, they shouldn't have access to it 24 hours a day from their computer. it's like letting pyromaniac teenagers play with fire, or convicted murders walk with guns. it's just not *right* if you ask me. this has nothing to do with history, lol. but hey, if you're alright with child molesters having access to child porn from their personal computer at home, be my guest. but it's in my opinion that it's wrong. The information age does not have a monopoly on violence, I don't know where you insane people get off on this madness.
It's also none of your fucking business what gets me or anyone else off where consenting adults are involved. Last I checked the thought police came from a fiction book not the UK circa 2013. also, i have no idea what your problem is, but you need to calm the fuck down when you reply to me. You're equating child porn and FAKE rape porn. That makes absolutely no sense. And Aeroplane is perfectly correct that it's none of your business what people use for sexual relief, so long as it's not against the law. you need to read before you comment. i never said it was any of my business, i'm saying i have a problem with people who're turned on by child porn and rape. that's my opinion and i can't feel however i want about it without anyone telling me anything. Fake rape is not rape. Would you rather people watch fake rape porn, or actually go out on the streets and sexually assault other people? Just to be devil's advocate here how do you know that watching fake rape porn wouldn't get people interested in rape who otherwise wouldn't be? You don't. But then how do you know that playing Starcraft 2 wouldn't get people into injecting themselves with steroids and going on a shooting spree? That isn't even slightly analogous. People play because they enjoy the strategy and being pitted against someone in competition. People watch rape because it turns them on, which is the same reason people rape people.
Loads and loads of women like men to take control during sex/rough sex in general.
Woman do not enjoy being actually raped.
There is a massive difference between fictional and factitious scenarios.
Can we ban Ann Summers from selling schoolgirl outfits because it might encourage paedophillia?
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I do see technical issues, but I have two children, and I cannot be everywhere.
Once they get old enough to be able to get on the internet, I plan to get them their own active directory accounts with a white list of web pages, but kids are clever and have a lot of time, and they for sure will get my account password one time. So I will approve any additional barrier that the government would give me regarding porn.
And no, I will no partake the unnecessary discussion if porn is really dangerous to children. You can try to find out and fill your own children up with porn, but I will definitely not.
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On July 23 2013 22:42 i zig zag around you wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 22:40 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 23 2013 22:40 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 23 2013 22:38 hzflank wrote:On July 23 2013 22:35 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 23 2013 22:34 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 23 2013 22:33 i zig zag around you wrote:On July 23 2013 22:30 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 23 2013 22:27 i zig zag around you wrote:On July 23 2013 22:23 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
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So you're completely ignoring the fact that rape is one of man's oldest past times? Hell 50% of the reason men used to go to war pre Napoleonic era was because they'd be able to rape the native women once they won (the other 50% being money). People have always committed rape, there is no link at all between it and watching rape porn. The percentage of men who would rape someone given the opportunity is right now at an all time low for humanity.
The information age does not have a monopoly on violence, I don't know where you insane people get off on this madness.
no, i'm not ignoring it. i'm saying that if some people are stimulated by rape, they shouldn't have access to it 24 hours a day from their computer. it's like letting pyromaniac teenagers play with fire, or convicted murders walk with guns. it's just not *right* if you ask me. this has nothing to do with history, lol. but hey, if you're alright with child molesters having access to child porn from their personal computer at home, be my guest. but it's in my opinion that it's wrong. The information age does not have a monopoly on violence, I don't know where you insane people get off on this madness.
It's also none of your fucking business what gets me or anyone else off where consenting adults are involved. Last I checked the thought police came from a fiction book not the UK circa 2013. also, i have no idea what your problem is, but you need to calm the fuck down when you reply to me. You're equating child porn and FAKE rape porn. That makes absolutely no sense. And Aeroplane is perfectly correct that it's none of your business what people use for sexual relief, so long as it's not against the law. you need to read before you comment. i never said it was any of my business, i'm saying i have a problem with people who're turned on by child porn and rape. that's my opinion and i can't feel however i want about it without anyone telling me anything. Fake rape is not rape. Would you rather people watch fake rape porn, or actually go out on the streets and sexually assault other people? Just to be devil's advocate here how do you know that watching fake rape porn wouldn't get people interested in rape who otherwise wouldn't be? You don't. But then how do you know that playing Starcraft 2 wouldn't get people into injecting themselves with steroids and going on a shooting spree? That isn't even slightly analogous. People play because they enjoy the strategy and being pitted against someone in competition. People watch rape because it turns them on, which is the same reason people rape people. I think you missed my post. And Aeroplane's for that matter. he didn't. that's exactly what i said and both you and aeroplane began to insult me.
Because you compared real life rape of children to fictional BDSM/rough sex between consenting adults. You deserve to be insulted for such idiocy.
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nobody here is actually reading the article. users can opt out of the filter by checking a box and notifying their ISP - this is not the great firewall of china. all it does is allow an easy mechanism for filtering content from children of many parents who aren't technologically inclined to do so on their own.
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On July 23 2013 22:43 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 22:42 i zig zag around you wrote:On July 23 2013 22:40 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 23 2013 22:40 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 23 2013 22:38 hzflank wrote:On July 23 2013 22:35 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 23 2013 22:34 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 23 2013 22:33 i zig zag around you wrote:On July 23 2013 22:30 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 23 2013 22:27 i zig zag around you wrote:
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no, i'm not ignoring it. i'm saying that if some people are stimulated by rape, they shouldn't have access to it 24 hours a day from their computer. it's like letting pyromaniac teenagers play with fire, or convicted murders walk with guns. it's just not *right* if you ask me. this has nothing to do with history, lol.
but hey, if you're alright with child molesters having access to child porn from their personal computer at home, be my guest. but it's in my opinion that it's wrong.
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also, i have no idea what your problem is, but you need to calm the fuck down when you reply to me. You're equating child porn and FAKE rape porn. That makes absolutely no sense. And Aeroplane is perfectly correct that it's none of your business what people use for sexual relief, so long as it's not against the law. you need to read before you comment. i never said it was any of my business, i'm saying i have a problem with people who're turned on by child porn and rape. that's my opinion and i can't feel however i want about it without anyone telling me anything. Fake rape is not rape. Would you rather people watch fake rape porn, or actually go out on the streets and sexually assault other people? Just to be devil's advocate here how do you know that watching fake rape porn wouldn't get people interested in rape who otherwise wouldn't be? You don't. But then how do you know that playing Starcraft 2 wouldn't get people into injecting themselves with steroids and going on a shooting spree? That isn't even slightly analogous. People play because they enjoy the strategy and being pitted against someone in competition. People watch rape because it turns them on, which is the same reason people rape people. I think you missed my post. And Aeroplane's for that matter. he didn't. that's exactly what i said and both you and aeroplane began to insult me. Because you compared real life rape of children to fictional BDSM/rough sex between consenting adults. You deserve to be insulted for such idiocy.
it shouldn't be my problem that you can't read.
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On July 23 2013 22:40 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 22:38 hzflank wrote:On July 23 2013 22:35 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 23 2013 22:34 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 23 2013 22:33 i zig zag around you wrote:On July 23 2013 22:30 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 23 2013 22:27 i zig zag around you wrote:On July 23 2013 22:23 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 23 2013 22:17 i zig zag around you wrote:On July 23 2013 22:11 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
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Rape is as old as mankind itself. It has been going on for thousands upon thousands of years, it has nothing at all to do with internet porn.
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Except this isn't rape, the is simulated rape, hence IT'S NOT FUCKING REAL. Just like Saw is simulated torture, 100% of action films have simulated murder, Harry Potter has simulated witchcraft, WWE is simulated bare knuckle/no rules fighting and Chess is simulated regicide.
None of those things are illegal because they're not real, they're fake and it's fucking retarded beyond all fucking measures to censor something which is fake. i don't think you understand what i'm trying to say. the problem is not the fact that "simulated" rape porn is not real, it's the fact that it does stimulate *some* people. just like how violence in movies, games, animal abuse, etc. helps stimulate *some* people and ultimately motivates these people to do things to others in the real world. that's all i'm saying. So you're completely ignoring the fact that rape is one of man's oldest past times? Hell 50% of the reason men used to go to war pre Napoleonic era was because they'd be able to rape the native women once they won (the other 50% being money). People have always committed rape, there is no link at all between it and watching rape porn. The percentage of men who would rape someone given the opportunity is right now at an all time low for humanity. The information age does not have a monopoly on violence, I don't know where you insane people get off on this madness. no, i'm not ignoring it. i'm saying that if some people are stimulated by rape, they shouldn't have access to it 24 hours a day from their computer. it's like letting pyromaniac teenagers play with fire, or convicted murders walk with guns. it's just not *right* if you ask me. this has nothing to do with history, lol. but hey, if you're alright with child molesters having access to child porn from their personal computer at home, be my guest. but it's in my opinion that it's wrong. The information age does not have a monopoly on violence, I don't know where you insane people get off on this madness.
It's also none of your fucking business what gets me or anyone else off where consenting adults are involved. Last I checked the thought police came from a fiction book not the UK circa 2013. also, i have no idea what your problem is, but you need to calm the fuck down when you reply to me. You're equating child porn and FAKE rape porn. That makes absolutely no sense. And Aeroplane is perfectly correct that it's none of your business what people use for sexual relief, so long as it's not against the law. you need to read before you comment. i never said it was any of my business, i'm saying i have a problem with people who're turned on by child porn and rape. that's my opinion and i can't feel however i want about it without anyone telling me anything. Fake rape is not rape. Would you rather people watch fake rape porn, or actually go out on the streets and sexually assault other people? Just to be devil's advocate here how do you know that watching fake rape porn wouldn't get people interested in rape who otherwise wouldn't be? You don't. But then how do you know that playing Starcraft 2 wouldn't get people into injecting themselves with steroids and going on a shooting spree? That isn't even slightly analogous. People play because they enjoy the strategy and being pitted against someone in competition. People watch rape because it turns them on, which is the same reason people rape people.
Fair enough. However, I am not sure that people rape because it turns them on. There are probably a lot of different reasons why people rape, but I doubt there are many people for who the idea of rape is a turn on.
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On July 23 2013 22:42 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 22:40 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 23 2013 22:38 hzflank wrote:On July 23 2013 22:35 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 23 2013 22:34 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 23 2013 22:33 i zig zag around you wrote:On July 23 2013 22:30 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 23 2013 22:27 i zig zag around you wrote:On July 23 2013 22:23 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 23 2013 22:17 i zig zag around you wrote:
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i don't think you understand what i'm trying to say. the problem is not the fact that "simulated" rape porn is not real, it's the fact that it does stimulate *some* people. just like how violence in movies, games, animal abuse, etc. helps stimulate *some* people and ultimately motivates these people to do things to others in the real world. that's all i'm saying.
So you're completely ignoring the fact that rape is one of man's oldest past times? Hell 50% of the reason men used to go to war pre Napoleonic era was because they'd be able to rape the native women once they won (the other 50% being money). People have always committed rape, there is no link at all between it and watching rape porn. The percentage of men who would rape someone given the opportunity is right now at an all time low for humanity. The information age does not have a monopoly on violence, I don't know where you insane people get off on this madness. no, i'm not ignoring it. i'm saying that if some people are stimulated by rape, they shouldn't have access to it 24 hours a day from their computer. it's like letting pyromaniac teenagers play with fire, or convicted murders walk with guns. it's just not *right* if you ask me. this has nothing to do with history, lol. but hey, if you're alright with child molesters having access to child porn from their personal computer at home, be my guest. but it's in my opinion that it's wrong. The information age does not have a monopoly on violence, I don't know where you insane people get off on this madness.
It's also none of your fucking business what gets me or anyone else off where consenting adults are involved. Last I checked the thought police came from a fiction book not the UK circa 2013. also, i have no idea what your problem is, but you need to calm the fuck down when you reply to me. You're equating child porn and FAKE rape porn. That makes absolutely no sense. And Aeroplane is perfectly correct that it's none of your business what people use for sexual relief, so long as it's not against the law. you need to read before you comment. i never said it was any of my business, i'm saying i have a problem with people who're turned on by child porn and rape. that's my opinion and i can't feel however i want about it without anyone telling me anything. Fake rape is not rape. Would you rather people watch fake rape porn, or actually go out on the streets and sexually assault other people? Just to be devil's advocate here how do you know that watching fake rape porn wouldn't get people interested in rape who otherwise wouldn't be? You don't. But then how do you know that playing Starcraft 2 wouldn't get people into injecting themselves with steroids and going on a shooting spree? That isn't even slightly analogous. People play because they enjoy the strategy and being pitted against someone in competition. People watch rape because it turns them on, which is the same reason people rape people. Loads and loads of women like men to take control during sex/rough sex in general. Woman do not enjoy being actually raped. There is a massive difference between fictional and factitious scenarios. Can we ban Ann Summers from selling schoolgirl outfits because it might encourage paedophillia?
Yeah this is true. Personally i think censoring porn is the WORST way to sort this kind of thing out.
In relation to rape, surely we would have more data on the psychological causes, and things like porn if we were more open about it and discussed it more as a society, instead of censoring it.
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On July 23 2013 22:43 Terranist wrote:
nobody here is actually reading the article. users can opt out of the filter by checking a box and notifying their ISP - this is not the great firewall of china. all it does is allow an easy mechanism for filtering content from children of many parents who aren't technologically inclined to do so on their own.
Well not only is this the slippery slope. It outright bans fictional rape porn (which is basically all BDSM porn) and David Cameron has already said he plans to restrict other things he finds morally offensive on the internet.
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On July 23 2013 22:44 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 22:40 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 23 2013 22:38 hzflank wrote:On July 23 2013 22:35 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 23 2013 22:34 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 23 2013 22:33 i zig zag around you wrote:On July 23 2013 22:30 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 23 2013 22:27 i zig zag around you wrote:On July 23 2013 22:23 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 23 2013 22:17 i zig zag around you wrote:
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i don't think you understand what i'm trying to say. the problem is not the fact that "simulated" rape porn is not real, it's the fact that it does stimulate *some* people. just like how violence in movies, games, animal abuse, etc. helps stimulate *some* people and ultimately motivates these people to do things to others in the real world. that's all i'm saying.
So you're completely ignoring the fact that rape is one of man's oldest past times? Hell 50% of the reason men used to go to war pre Napoleonic era was because they'd be able to rape the native women once they won (the other 50% being money). People have always committed rape, there is no link at all between it and watching rape porn. The percentage of men who would rape someone given the opportunity is right now at an all time low for humanity. The information age does not have a monopoly on violence, I don't know where you insane people get off on this madness. no, i'm not ignoring it. i'm saying that if some people are stimulated by rape, they shouldn't have access to it 24 hours a day from their computer. it's like letting pyromaniac teenagers play with fire, or convicted murders walk with guns. it's just not *right* if you ask me. this has nothing to do with history, lol. but hey, if you're alright with child molesters having access to child porn from their personal computer at home, be my guest. but it's in my opinion that it's wrong. The information age does not have a monopoly on violence, I don't know where you insane people get off on this madness.
It's also none of your fucking business what gets me or anyone else off where consenting adults are involved. Last I checked the thought police came from a fiction book not the UK circa 2013. also, i have no idea what your problem is, but you need to calm the fuck down when you reply to me. You're equating child porn and FAKE rape porn. That makes absolutely no sense. And Aeroplane is perfectly correct that it's none of your business what people use for sexual relief, so long as it's not against the law. you need to read before you comment. i never said it was any of my business, i'm saying i have a problem with people who're turned on by child porn and rape. that's my opinion and i can't feel however i want about it without anyone telling me anything. Fake rape is not rape. Would you rather people watch fake rape porn, or actually go out on the streets and sexually assault other people? Just to be devil's advocate here how do you know that watching fake rape porn wouldn't get people interested in rape who otherwise wouldn't be? You don't. But then how do you know that playing Starcraft 2 wouldn't get people into injecting themselves with steroids and going on a shooting spree? That isn't even slightly analogous. People play because they enjoy the strategy and being pitted against someone in competition. People watch rape because it turns them on, which is the same reason people rape people. Fair enough. However, I am not sure that people rape because it turns them on. There are probably a lot of different reasons why people rape, but I doubt there are many people for who the idea of rape is a turn on.
It is my understanding that people usually rape because some crippling insecurity/trauma left them with a dire need to feel powerful and in charge. It makes sense to me that if someone did indeed have such a drive, they would actually go out and rape someone, or at least attempt to, instead of watching pornography of simulated rape.
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On July 23 2013 22:44 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 22:40 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 23 2013 22:38 hzflank wrote:On July 23 2013 22:35 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 23 2013 22:34 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 23 2013 22:33 i zig zag around you wrote:On July 23 2013 22:30 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 23 2013 22:27 i zig zag around you wrote:On July 23 2013 22:23 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 23 2013 22:17 i zig zag around you wrote:
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i don't think you understand what i'm trying to say. the problem is not the fact that "simulated" rape porn is not real, it's the fact that it does stimulate *some* people. just like how violence in movies, games, animal abuse, etc. helps stimulate *some* people and ultimately motivates these people to do things to others in the real world. that's all i'm saying.
So you're completely ignoring the fact that rape is one of man's oldest past times? Hell 50% of the reason men used to go to war pre Napoleonic era was because they'd be able to rape the native women once they won (the other 50% being money). People have always committed rape, there is no link at all between it and watching rape porn. The percentage of men who would rape someone given the opportunity is right now at an all time low for humanity. The information age does not have a monopoly on violence, I don't know where you insane people get off on this madness. no, i'm not ignoring it. i'm saying that if some people are stimulated by rape, they shouldn't have access to it 24 hours a day from their computer. it's like letting pyromaniac teenagers play with fire, or convicted murders walk with guns. it's just not *right* if you ask me. this has nothing to do with history, lol. but hey, if you're alright with child molesters having access to child porn from their personal computer at home, be my guest. but it's in my opinion that it's wrong. The information age does not have a monopoly on violence, I don't know where you insane people get off on this madness.
It's also none of your fucking business what gets me or anyone else off where consenting adults are involved. Last I checked the thought police came from a fiction book not the UK circa 2013. also, i have no idea what your problem is, but you need to calm the fuck down when you reply to me. You're equating child porn and FAKE rape porn. That makes absolutely no sense. And Aeroplane is perfectly correct that it's none of your business what people use for sexual relief, so long as it's not against the law. you need to read before you comment. i never said it was any of my business, i'm saying i have a problem with people who're turned on by child porn and rape. that's my opinion and i can't feel however i want about it without anyone telling me anything. Fake rape is not rape. Would you rather people watch fake rape porn, or actually go out on the streets and sexually assault other people? Just to be devil's advocate here how do you know that watching fake rape porn wouldn't get people interested in rape who otherwise wouldn't be? You don't. But then how do you know that playing Starcraft 2 wouldn't get people into injecting themselves with steroids and going on a shooting spree? That isn't even slightly analogous. People play because they enjoy the strategy and being pitted against someone in competition. People watch rape because it turns them on, which is the same reason people rape people. Fair enough. However, I am not sure that people rape because it turns them on. There are probably a lot of different reasons why people rape, but I doubt there are many people for who the idea of rape is a turn on.
Rape has always existed and it will always exist. It is a terrible thing but it has nothing at all to do with watching simulated rape on the internet, just like murder has always existed, will always exist and isn't caused by watching horror movies or playing GTA.
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On July 23 2013 22:46 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 22:44 hzflank wrote:On July 23 2013 22:40 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 23 2013 22:38 hzflank wrote:On July 23 2013 22:35 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 23 2013 22:34 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 23 2013 22:33 i zig zag around you wrote:On July 23 2013 22:30 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 23 2013 22:27 i zig zag around you wrote:On July 23 2013 22:23 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
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So you're completely ignoring the fact that rape is one of man's oldest past times? Hell 50% of the reason men used to go to war pre Napoleonic era was because they'd be able to rape the native women once they won (the other 50% being money). People have always committed rape, there is no link at all between it and watching rape porn. The percentage of men who would rape someone given the opportunity is right now at an all time low for humanity.
The information age does not have a monopoly on violence, I don't know where you insane people get off on this madness.
no, i'm not ignoring it. i'm saying that if some people are stimulated by rape, they shouldn't have access to it 24 hours a day from their computer. it's like letting pyromaniac teenagers play with fire, or convicted murders walk with guns. it's just not *right* if you ask me. this has nothing to do with history, lol. but hey, if you're alright with child molesters having access to child porn from their personal computer at home, be my guest. but it's in my opinion that it's wrong. The information age does not have a monopoly on violence, I don't know where you insane people get off on this madness.
It's also none of your fucking business what gets me or anyone else off where consenting adults are involved. Last I checked the thought police came from a fiction book not the UK circa 2013. also, i have no idea what your problem is, but you need to calm the fuck down when you reply to me. You're equating child porn and FAKE rape porn. That makes absolutely no sense. And Aeroplane is perfectly correct that it's none of your business what people use for sexual relief, so long as it's not against the law. you need to read before you comment. i never said it was any of my business, i'm saying i have a problem with people who're turned on by child porn and rape. that's my opinion and i can't feel however i want about it without anyone telling me anything. Fake rape is not rape. Would you rather people watch fake rape porn, or actually go out on the streets and sexually assault other people? Just to be devil's advocate here how do you know that watching fake rape porn wouldn't get people interested in rape who otherwise wouldn't be? You don't. But then how do you know that playing Starcraft 2 wouldn't get people into injecting themselves with steroids and going on a shooting spree? That isn't even slightly analogous. People play because they enjoy the strategy and being pitted against someone in competition. People watch rape because it turns them on, which is the same reason people rape people. Fair enough. However, I am not sure that people rape because it turns them on. There are probably a lot of different reasons why people rape, but I doubt there are many people for who the idea of rape is a turn on. It is my understanding that people usually rape because some crippling insecurity/trauma left them with a dire need to feel powerful and in charge. It makes sense to me that if someone did indeed have such a drive, they would actually go out and rape someone, or at least attempt to, instead of watching pornography of simulated rape.
my point was that people who're interested in rape might be into it online as well.
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On July 23 2013 22:48 i zig zag around you wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 22:46 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 23 2013 22:44 hzflank wrote:On July 23 2013 22:40 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 23 2013 22:38 hzflank wrote:On July 23 2013 22:35 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 23 2013 22:34 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 23 2013 22:33 i zig zag around you wrote:On July 23 2013 22:30 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 23 2013 22:27 i zig zag around you wrote:
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no, i'm not ignoring it. i'm saying that if some people are stimulated by rape, they shouldn't have access to it 24 hours a day from their computer. it's like letting pyromaniac teenagers play with fire, or convicted murders walk with guns. it's just not *right* if you ask me. this has nothing to do with history, lol.
but hey, if you're alright with child molesters having access to child porn from their personal computer at home, be my guest. but it's in my opinion that it's wrong.
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also, i have no idea what your problem is, but you need to calm the fuck down when you reply to me. You're equating child porn and FAKE rape porn. That makes absolutely no sense. And Aeroplane is perfectly correct that it's none of your business what people use for sexual relief, so long as it's not against the law. you need to read before you comment. i never said it was any of my business, i'm saying i have a problem with people who're turned on by child porn and rape. that's my opinion and i can't feel however i want about it without anyone telling me anything. Fake rape is not rape. Would you rather people watch fake rape porn, or actually go out on the streets and sexually assault other people? Just to be devil's advocate here how do you know that watching fake rape porn wouldn't get people interested in rape who otherwise wouldn't be? You don't. But then how do you know that playing Starcraft 2 wouldn't get people into injecting themselves with steroids and going on a shooting spree? That isn't even slightly analogous. People play because they enjoy the strategy and being pitted against someone in competition. People watch rape because it turns them on, which is the same reason people rape people. Fair enough. However, I am not sure that people rape because it turns them on. There are probably a lot of different reasons why people rape, but I doubt there are many people for who the idea of rape is a turn on. It is my understanding that people usually rape because some crippling insecurity/trauma left them with a dire need to feel powerful and in charge. It makes sense to me that if someone did indeed have such a drive, they would actually go out and rape someone, or at least attempt to, instead of watching pornography of simulated rape. my point was that people who're interested in rape might be into it online as well.
But if they're already interested into rape then there's a fair chance they'll slip up and get caught by the police. I don't see how them watching a video online changes anything.
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Maybe UK should rather consider making it illegal to say that apostates. and homosexuals should be killed, just saying. What a fucking bs smoke screen from real issues.
According to polls 33% of UK Muslims think that apostasy should be penalized by death, ex Muslims are afraid to come out maybe they should tackle Muslim extremist that can publicly promote death for them.
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On July 23 2013 22:48 i zig zag around you wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 22:46 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 23 2013 22:44 hzflank wrote:On July 23 2013 22:40 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 23 2013 22:38 hzflank wrote:On July 23 2013 22:35 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 23 2013 22:34 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 23 2013 22:33 i zig zag around you wrote:On July 23 2013 22:30 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 23 2013 22:27 i zig zag around you wrote:
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no, i'm not ignoring it. i'm saying that if some people are stimulated by rape, they shouldn't have access to it 24 hours a day from their computer. it's like letting pyromaniac teenagers play with fire, or convicted murders walk with guns. it's just not *right* if you ask me. this has nothing to do with history, lol.
but hey, if you're alright with child molesters having access to child porn from their personal computer at home, be my guest. but it's in my opinion that it's wrong.
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also, i have no idea what your problem is, but you need to calm the fuck down when you reply to me. You're equating child porn and FAKE rape porn. That makes absolutely no sense. And Aeroplane is perfectly correct that it's none of your business what people use for sexual relief, so long as it's not against the law. you need to read before you comment. i never said it was any of my business, i'm saying i have a problem with people who're turned on by child porn and rape. that's my opinion and i can't feel however i want about it without anyone telling me anything. Fake rape is not rape. Would you rather people watch fake rape porn, or actually go out on the streets and sexually assault other people? Just to be devil's advocate here how do you know that watching fake rape porn wouldn't get people interested in rape who otherwise wouldn't be? You don't. But then how do you know that playing Starcraft 2 wouldn't get people into injecting themselves with steroids and going on a shooting spree? That isn't even slightly analogous. People play because they enjoy the strategy and being pitted against someone in competition. People watch rape because it turns them on, which is the same reason people rape people. Fair enough. However, I am not sure that people rape because it turns them on. There are probably a lot of different reasons why people rape, but I doubt there are many people for who the idea of rape is a turn on. It is my understanding that people usually rape because some crippling insecurity/trauma left them with a dire need to feel powerful and in charge. It makes sense to me that if someone did indeed have such a drive, they would actually go out and rape someone, or at least attempt to, instead of watching pornography of simulated rape. my point was that people who're interested in rape might be into it online as well.
And people who are into murder probably watch horror movies.
Fortunately the existence of murder doesn't mean we are going to ban horror movies and the existence of rape doesn't mean we are going to ban BDSM.
Especially as rape and murder are thousands of years older than both.
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On July 23 2013 22:49 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 22:48 i zig zag around you wrote:On July 23 2013 22:46 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 23 2013 22:44 hzflank wrote:On July 23 2013 22:40 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 23 2013 22:38 hzflank wrote:On July 23 2013 22:35 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 23 2013 22:34 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 23 2013 22:33 i zig zag around you wrote:On July 23 2013 22:30 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
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You're equating child porn and FAKE rape porn. That makes absolutely no sense.
And Aeroplane is perfectly correct that it's none of your business what people use for sexual relief, so long as it's not against the law. you need to read before you comment. i never said it was any of my business, i'm saying i have a problem with people who're turned on by child porn and rape. that's my opinion and i can't feel however i want about it without anyone telling me anything. Fake rape is not rape. Would you rather people watch fake rape porn, or actually go out on the streets and sexually assault other people? Just to be devil's advocate here how do you know that watching fake rape porn wouldn't get people interested in rape who otherwise wouldn't be? You don't. But then how do you know that playing Starcraft 2 wouldn't get people into injecting themselves with steroids and going on a shooting spree? That isn't even slightly analogous. People play because they enjoy the strategy and being pitted against someone in competition. People watch rape because it turns them on, which is the same reason people rape people. Fair enough. However, I am not sure that people rape because it turns them on. There are probably a lot of different reasons why people rape, but I doubt there are many people for who the idea of rape is a turn on. It is my understanding that people usually rape because some crippling insecurity/trauma left them with a dire need to feel powerful and in charge. It makes sense to me that if someone did indeed have such a drive, they would actually go out and rape someone, or at least attempt to, instead of watching pornography of simulated rape. my point was that people who're interested in rape might be into it online as well. But if they're already interested into rape then there's a fair chance they'll slip up and get caught by the police. I don't see how them watching a video online changes anything.
well, i disagree, that's all i'm saying. if some troubled kid is watching rape porn a couple of times a day over a long period of time he might get the wrong idea.
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