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On June 25 2013 11:12 Sententia wrote:
This week is one of the big ones for cities doing pride parades and such, including NY which is where the TL HQ is, so that's why there's a different logo for a bit.
Oh. Mmkay. ._.
On June 25 2013 11:22 Uncultured wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 08:08 KwarK wrote:On June 25 2013 08:07 Bore wrote:On June 25 2013 08:01 Uncultured wrote:
I think it's cool that TL is willing to put itself out there. I don't really understand why companies do this, other than for publicity, however. And in that manner I think it's a cheap grab at attention. Pride/Rainbows etc campaings probably gives lots of positive feedback thus generates $$$, companies rarely do anything for other reason than money and if they do they are doin it wrong. Our values haven't changed since we had a dozen users and no money. No doubt. But your decision to publicly express that view in an advertorial manner isn't the same as always. Whether you acknowledge it as so or not, this is a publicity stunt.
I can't help but see it this way too. I've every confidence the staff and supporting users of TL have only honest intentions, but TL is sort of "preaching to the choir" here. Thought this position was assumed on Team Liquid. I simply do not see a reason to change the banner to reflect that.
+ Show Spoiler [Off-topic.] +"Advertorial" raised my eyebrows. Hot dang, that's a good word. Thanks for using it; will have to remember that.
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On June 25 2013 10:54 obesechicken13 wrote:
I think there's more gays on TL than girls.
Haha It's not unlikely 
OT I think the horse looks better now, some color :D
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Just logged in to say that I support TL in their support for equal human rights! Keep up the great work!
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Couple of thoughts:
1) I really could care less about the banner - looks awesome though! I guess the reactions in this thread shows that it is still necessary to mark it, but I would much rather live in the society where we didn't have to.
2) Every time the topic of homosexuality comes up I am saddened to see the bastardization that the term "homophobia" has undergone. To be quite honest it irks me that anti-homosexuals are given the benefit of a label which infers an underlying pathology which they are not responsible for themselves.
3) Bastardizing the word "privileged" to describe the majority and writing lists of stuff said majority supposedly do not experience (I have personally as a straight white male experienced plenty of stuff on those lists, though obviously not all) are bullshit and really deserves as much ridicule for denying those who face adversity their right to complain as those who claim homosexuality being a choice and opposing basic human rights for ALL humans.
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On June 25 2013 11:39 cLAN.Anax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 11:12 Sententia wrote:
This week is one of the big ones for cities doing pride parades and such, including NY which is where the TL HQ is, so that's why there's a different logo for a bit. Oh. Mmkay. ._. Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 11:22 Uncultured wrote:On June 25 2013 08:08 KwarK wrote:On June 25 2013 08:07 Bore wrote:On June 25 2013 08:01 Uncultured wrote:
I think it's cool that TL is willing to put itself out there. I don't really understand why companies do this, other than for publicity, however. And in that manner I think it's a cheap grab at attention. Pride/Rainbows etc campaings probably gives lots of positive feedback thus generates $$$, companies rarely do anything for other reason than money and if they do they are doin it wrong. Our values haven't changed since we had a dozen users and no money. No doubt. But your decision to publicly express that view in an advertorial manner isn't the same as always. Whether you acknowledge it as so or not, this is a publicity stunt. I can't help but see it this way too. I've every confidence the staff and supporting users of TL have only honest intentions, but TL is sort of "preaching to the choir" here. Thought this position was assumed on Team Liquid. I simply do not see a reason to change the banner to reflect that. + Show Spoiler [Off-topic.] +"Advertorial" raised my eyebrows. Hot dang, that's a good word. Thanks for using it; will have to remember that.
Wait...so TeamLiquid has an official stance on a human rights issue and you do not understand why they might want to express said stance? I don't think you don't see a reason, I think you're just grasping for any reason to be critical.
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On June 25 2013 11:54 Ghostcom wrote:
2) Every time the topic of homosexuality comes up I am saddened to see the bastardization that the term "homophobia" has undergone. To be quite honest it irks me that anti-homosexuals are given the benefit of a label which infers an underlying pathology which they are not responsible for themselves.
The reason it's appended with "phobia" is more to indicate that it's irrational. Any argumentation in favor of it is going to be necessarily flawed because there's no rational argument in favor of discrimination based on a characteristic that does no harm to society and the individual doesn't control.
3) Bastardizing the word "privileged" to describe the majority and writing lists of stuff said majority supposedly do not experience (I have personally as a straight white male experienced plenty of stuff on those lists, though obviously not all) are bullshit and really deserves as much ridicule for denying those who face adversity their right to complain as those who claim homosexuality being a choice and opposing basic human rights for ALL humans.
List the stuff you have experienced and explain why that experience was based on your sexual orientation not being normal and how that made you feel threatened. Do it. I'll wait.
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On June 25 2013 11:56 Klondikebar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 11:39 cLAN.Anax wrote:On June 25 2013 11:12 Sententia wrote:
This week is one of the big ones for cities doing pride parades and such, including NY which is where the TL HQ is, so that's why there's a different logo for a bit. Oh. Mmkay. ._. On June 25 2013 11:22 Uncultured wrote:On June 25 2013 08:08 KwarK wrote:On June 25 2013 08:07 Bore wrote:On June 25 2013 08:01 Uncultured wrote:
I think it's cool that TL is willing to put itself out there. I don't really understand why companies do this, other than for publicity, however. And in that manner I think it's a cheap grab at attention. Pride/Rainbows etc campaings probably gives lots of positive feedback thus generates $$$, companies rarely do anything for other reason than money and if they do they are doin it wrong. Our values haven't changed since we had a dozen users and no money. No doubt. But your decision to publicly express that view in an advertorial manner isn't the same as always. Whether you acknowledge it as so or not, this is a publicity stunt. I can't help but see it this way too. I've every confidence the staff and supporting users of TL have only honest intentions, but TL is sort of "preaching to the choir" here. Thought this position was assumed on Team Liquid. I simply do not see a reason to change the banner to reflect that. + Show Spoiler [Off-topic.] +"Advertorial" raised my eyebrows. Hot dang, that's a good word. Thanks for using it; will have to remember that. Wait...so TeamLiquid has an official stance on a human rights issue and you do not understand why they might want to express said stance? I don't think you don't see a reason, I think you're just grasping for any reason to be critical.
You're right that there has been no "official" stance given by Team Liquid as an organization, but you can see it expressed by nearly every mod, admin, banling, and the majority of users. TL is a site dedicated to eSports; it was assumed that it didn't matter your gender or sexual preference or whatever. If they changed the logo to a cross to express Christian values, I'd be equally as critical.
Edit: On June 25 2013 12:01 Klondikebar wrote:Show nested quote +3) Bastardizing the word "privileged" to describe the majority and writing lists of stuff said majority supposedly do not experience (I have personally as a straight white male experienced plenty of stuff on those lists, though obviously not all) are bullshit and really deserves as much ridicule for denying those who face adversity their right to complain as those who claim homosexuality being a choice and opposing basic human rights for ALL humans. List the stuff you have experienced and explain why that experience was based on your sexual orientation not being normal and how that made you feel threatened. Do it. I'll wait.
This wasn't to me, but I'll reply in case Ghostcom doesn't respond to this post. For myself, it didn't matter that I was a straight, white, Christian male as a kid. I got bullied by kids in my own Boy Scout troop even, for literally no reason. They called me "gay" in an extremely derogatory manner and proceeded to ruin my early Scouting experience whenever possible. Do I have no right to complain about bullying because of some purported "privilege?" Is the victimization of another more legitimate than my own, or mine more than theirs?
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They are NOT supporting human rights, they are NOT advancing the LGBT movement. They changed the color of their freaking logo. If you actually want to do something about gay rights than fucking do it, don't pretend like you're changing anything when you're nothing more than a keyboard warrior. This bs is nothing more than an attempt to grab some good PR, and it saddens me that people fall for this. Really disgusting that TL out of all places would do this, but apparently their number one priority these days is their profit margin.
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On June 25 2013 12:08 iamho wrote:
They are NOT supporting human rights, they are NOT advancing the LGBT movement. They changed the color of their freaking logo. If you actually want to do something about gay rights than fucking do it, don't pretend like you're changing anything when you're nothing more than a keyboard warrior. This bs is nothing more than an attempt to grab some good PR, and it saddens me that people fall for this. Really disgusting that TL out of all places would do this, but apparently their number one priority these days is their profit margin.
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uhhhhhhhhhhhhh, they DID do something about it, they are showing their support. What, are they supposed to take to DC with torches and pitchforks and demand equal rights?
Standing up publicly and spreading awareness is more than what YOU are doing Warrior McKeyboardhider.
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On June 25 2013 12:01 Klondikebar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 11:54 Ghostcom wrote:
2) Every time the topic of homosexuality comes up I am saddened to see the bastardization that the term "homophobia" has undergone. To be quite honest it irks me that anti-homosexuals are given the benefit of a label which infers an underlying pathology which they are not responsible for themselves. The reason it's appended with "phobia" is more to indicate that it's irrational. Any argumentation in favor of it is going to be necessarily flawed because there's no rational argument in favor of discrimination based on a characteristic that does no harm to society and the individual doesn't control.
That however is not what a phobia is. Sure a phobia is irrational, but for it to be a phobia it is required that the subject is self-aware of said irrationality. Now please point out which of the anti-homosexuals in this thread that has been aware of the irrationality. A phobia is further defined by it being a fear - I have yet to see anyone have a panic attack because said person saw a gay couple. The fact that it is irrational should be clear enough without misusing terms.
On June 25 2013 12:01 Klondikebar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 11:54 Ghostcom wrote:
3) Bastardizing the word "privileged" to describe the majority and writing lists of stuff said majority supposedly do not experience (I have personally as a straight white male experienced plenty of stuff on those lists, though obviously not all) are bullshit and really deserves as much ridicule for denying those who face adversity their right to complain as those who claim homosexuality being a choice and opposing basic human rights for ALL humans. List the stuff you have experienced and explain why that experience was based on your sexual orientation not being normal and how that made you feel threatened. Do it. I'll wait.
Why would I? First of all I consider homosexuality to be normal - apparently unlike you? Secondly I never claimed that it was based on my sexual orientation not being normal - you were the one to impose that. My point was exactly that despite having a normal sexual orientation one could experience quite a few things on those lists that were supposedly exclusive to "non-normal" sexuality. Thirdly, I fail to see why I have to give personal examples - it really should be self-evident that the list is far from exclusive to "non-normal" sexuality. However, since you are quite obviously going to insist: I was "dating" a muslim girl, being a Caucasian white agnostic guy I do not think it would be hard for you to figure out what I have experienced - stepping into a world where killing for the honor of the family is not unheard of and where you are by definition a spot on the family honor simply due to who you are, through no choice of your own.
EDIT: Fixed the quotes - only took 3 tries!
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I for one like the rainbow horse. It looks neat and it shows support for something worth showing support for. It's kind of amazing how many people are upset about it, but I guess it is the internet.
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There was a pride parade in Toronto as well.
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On June 25 2013 12:02 cLAN.Anax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 11:56 Klondikebar wrote:On June 25 2013 11:39 cLAN.Anax wrote:On June 25 2013 11:12 Sententia wrote:
This week is one of the big ones for cities doing pride parades and such, including NY which is where the TL HQ is, so that's why there's a different logo for a bit. Oh. Mmkay. ._. On June 25 2013 11:22 Uncultured wrote:On June 25 2013 08:08 KwarK wrote:On June 25 2013 08:07 Bore wrote:On June 25 2013 08:01 Uncultured wrote:
I think it's cool that TL is willing to put itself out there. I don't really understand why companies do this, other than for publicity, however. And in that manner I think it's a cheap grab at attention. Pride/Rainbows etc campaings probably gives lots of positive feedback thus generates $$$, companies rarely do anything for other reason than money and if they do they are doin it wrong. Our values haven't changed since we had a dozen users and no money. No doubt. But your decision to publicly express that view in an advertorial manner isn't the same as always. Whether you acknowledge it as so or not, this is a publicity stunt. I can't help but see it this way too. I've every confidence the staff and supporting users of TL have only honest intentions, but TL is sort of "preaching to the choir" here. Thought this position was assumed on Team Liquid. I simply do not see a reason to change the banner to reflect that. + Show Spoiler [Off-topic.] +"Advertorial" raised my eyebrows. Hot dang, that's a good word. Thanks for using it; will have to remember that. Wait...so TeamLiquid has an official stance on a human rights issue and you do not understand why they might want to express said stance? I don't think you don't see a reason, I think you're just grasping for any reason to be critical. You're right that there has been no "official" stance given by Team Liquid as an organization, but you can see it expressed by nearly every mod, admin, banling, and the majority of users. TL is a site dedicated to eSports; it was assumed that it didn't matter your gender or sexual preference or whatever. If they changed the logo to a cross to express Christian values, I'd be equally as critical. Edit: Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 12:01 Klondikebar wrote:3) Bastardizing the word "privileged" to describe the majority and writing lists of stuff said majority supposedly do not experience (I have personally as a straight white male experienced plenty of stuff on those lists, though obviously not all) are bullshit and really deserves as much ridicule for denying those who face adversity their right to complain as those who claim homosexuality being a choice and opposing basic human rights for ALL humans. List the stuff you have experienced and explain why that experience was based on your sexual orientation not being normal and how that made you feel threatened. Do it. I'll wait. This wasn't to me, but I'll reply in case Ghostcom doesn't respond to this post. For myself, it didn't matter that I was a straight, white, Christian male as a kid. I got bullied by kids in my own Boy Scout troop even, for literally no reason. They called me "gay" in an extremely derogatory manner and proceeded to ruin my early Scouting experience whenever possible. Do I have no right to complain about bullying because of some purported "privilege?" Is the victimization of another more legitimate than my own, or mine more than theirs?
I cite rule 1 of the 10 commandments: TL does as it pleases and decides who it is. Their stance is clear, as Naz'Gul and Festo stated.
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On June 25 2013 12:15 Ghostcom wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 12:01 Klondikebar wrote:On June 25 2013 11:54 Ghostcom wrote:
2) Every time the topic of homosexuality comes up I am saddened to see the bastardization that the term "homophobia" has undergone. To be quite honest it irks me that anti-homosexuals are given the benefit of a label which infers an underlying pathology which they are not responsible for themselves. The reason it's appended with "phobia" is more to indicate that it's irrational. Any argumentation in favor of it is going to be necessarily flawed because there's no rational argument in favor of discrimination based on a characteristic that does no harm to society and the individual doesn't control. That however is not what a phobia is. Sure a phobia is irrational, but for it to be a phobia it is required that the subject is self-aware of said irrationality. Now please point out which of the anti-homosexuals in this thread that has been aware of the irrationality. A phobia is further defined by it being a fear - I have yet to see anyone have a panic attack because said person saw a gay couple. The fact that it is irrational should be clear enough without misusing terms. Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 12:01 Klondikebar wrote:On June 25 2013 11:54 Ghostcom wrote:
3) Bastardizing the word "privileged" to describe the majority and writing lists of stuff said majority supposedly do not experience (I have personally as a straight white male experienced plenty of stuff on those lists, though obviously not all) are bullshit and really deserves as much ridicule for denying those who face adversity their right to complain as those who claim homosexuality being a choice and opposing basic human rights for ALL humans. List the stuff you have experienced and explain why that experience was based on your sexual orientation not being normal and how that made you feel threatened. Do it. I'll wait. Why would I? First of all I consider homosexuality to be normal - apparently unlike you? Secondly I never claimed that it was based on my sexual orientation not being normal - you were the one to impose that. My point was exactly that despite having a normal sexual orientation one could experience quite a few things on those lists that were supposedly exclusive to "non-normal" sexuality. Thirdly, I fail to see why I have to give personal examples - it really should be self-evident that the list is far from exclusive to "non-normal" sexuality. However, since you are quite obviously going to insist: I was "dating" a muslim girl, being a Caucasian white agnostic guy I do not think it would be hard for you to figure out what I have experienced - stepping into a world where killing for the honor of the family is not unheard of and where you are by definition a spot on the family honor simply due to who you are, through no choice of your own. EDIT: Fixed the quotes - only took 3 tries!
Yeah that has absolutely nothing to do with your sexual orientation. You haven't experienced anything on that list. But I'll be damned if you aren't gonna pretend like you have just to make yourself feel like you have something to contribute to your side of the discussion.
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Am I the only guy that thinks its sad that none with previous info of this change made a post just hours before about how 2 players just got engaged. That would have been troll of the year. Hotbid, why has the abandoned us in this most fitting times ?
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On June 25 2013 12:35 Klondikebar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 12:15 Ghostcom wrote:On June 25 2013 12:01 Klondikebar wrote:On June 25 2013 11:54 Ghostcom wrote:
2) Every time the topic of homosexuality comes up I am saddened to see the bastardization that the term "homophobia" has undergone. To be quite honest it irks me that anti-homosexuals are given the benefit of a label which infers an underlying pathology which they are not responsible for themselves. The reason it's appended with "phobia" is more to indicate that it's irrational. Any argumentation in favor of it is going to be necessarily flawed because there's no rational argument in favor of discrimination based on a characteristic that does no harm to society and the individual doesn't control. That however is not what a phobia is. Sure a phobia is irrational, but for it to be a phobia it is required that the subject is self-aware of said irrationality. Now please point out which of the anti-homosexuals in this thread that has been aware of the irrationality. A phobia is further defined by it being a fear - I have yet to see anyone have a panic attack because said person saw a gay couple. The fact that it is irrational should be clear enough without misusing terms. On June 25 2013 12:01 Klondikebar wrote:On June 25 2013 11:54 Ghostcom wrote:
3) Bastardizing the word "privileged" to describe the majority and writing lists of stuff said majority supposedly do not experience (I have personally as a straight white male experienced plenty of stuff on those lists, though obviously not all) are bullshit and really deserves as much ridicule for denying those who face adversity their right to complain as those who claim homosexuality being a choice and opposing basic human rights for ALL humans. List the stuff you have experienced and explain why that experience was based on your sexual orientation not being normal and how that made you feel threatened. Do it. I'll wait. Why would I? First of all I consider homosexuality to be normal - apparently unlike you? Secondly I never claimed that it was based on my sexual orientation not being normal - you were the one to impose that. My point was exactly that despite having a normal sexual orientation one could experience quite a few things on those lists that were supposedly exclusive to "non-normal" sexuality. Thirdly, I fail to see why I have to give personal examples - it really should be self-evident that the list is far from exclusive to "non-normal" sexuality. However, since you are quite obviously going to insist: I was "dating" a muslim girl, being a Caucasian white agnostic guy I do not think it would be hard for you to figure out what I have experienced - stepping into a world where killing for the honor of the family is not unheard of and where you are by definition a spot on the family honor simply due to who you are, through no choice of your own. EDIT: Fixed the quotes - only took 3 tries! Yeah that has absolutely nothing to do with your sexual orientation. You haven't experienced anything on that list. But I'll be damned if you aren't gonna pretend like you have just to make yourself feel like you have something to contribute to your side of the discussion.
So your strawman failed and this is what you come back with? Let me guess, you feel like you have actually written anything of relevance in response to what I wrote?
EDIT: For clarification as you seemed to miss it the first 2 times around. I never claimed that it would have anything to do with my sexuality - in fact I claimed the opposite. That regardless of sexuality one could have said experiences.
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On June 25 2013 12:01 Klondikebar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 11:54 Ghostcom wrote:
2) Every time the topic of homosexuality comes up I am saddened to see the bastardization that the term "homophobia" has undergone. To be quite honest it irks me that anti-homosexuals are given the benefit of a label which infers an underlying pathology which they are not responsible for themselves. The reason it's appended with "phobia" is more to indicate that it's irrational. Any argumentation in favor of it is going to be necessarily flawed because there's no rational argument in favor of discrimination based on a characteristic that does no harm to society and the individual doesn't control. Show nested quote +3) Bastardizing the word "privileged" to describe the majority and writing lists of stuff said majority supposedly do not experience (I have personally as a straight white male experienced plenty of stuff on those lists, though obviously not all) are bullshit and really deserves as much ridicule for denying those who face adversity their right to complain as those who claim homosexuality being a choice and opposing basic human rights for ALL humans. List the stuff you have experienced and explain why that experience was based on your sexual orientation not being normal and how that made you feel threatened. Do it. I'll wait.
I think it's funny because a "phobia" is basically an affliction - which many homophobic people refer to homosexuality as. It's sort of a table-turner. "You think I have a problem? You're the one with the problem."
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On June 25 2013 12:44 Arghmyliver wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 12:01 Klondikebar wrote:On June 25 2013 11:54 Ghostcom wrote:
2) Every time the topic of homosexuality comes up I am saddened to see the bastardization that the term "homophobia" has undergone. To be quite honest it irks me that anti-homosexuals are given the benefit of a label which infers an underlying pathology which they are not responsible for themselves. The reason it's appended with "phobia" is more to indicate that it's irrational. Any argumentation in favor of it is going to be necessarily flawed because there's no rational argument in favor of discrimination based on a characteristic that does no harm to society and the individual doesn't control. 3) Bastardizing the word "privileged" to describe the majority and writing lists of stuff said majority supposedly do not experience (I have personally as a straight white male experienced plenty of stuff on those lists, though obviously not all) are bullshit and really deserves as much ridicule for denying those who face adversity their right to complain as those who claim homosexuality being a choice and opposing basic human rights for ALL humans. List the stuff you have experienced and explain why that experience was based on your sexual orientation not being normal and how that made you feel threatened. Do it. I'll wait. I think it's funny because a "phobia" is basically an affliction - which many homophobic people refer to homosexuality as. It's sort of a table-turner. "You think I have a problem? You're the one with the problem."
See this argument I can at least somewhat buy into, but still - it gives them an excuse as who is really responsible for suffering from a mental illness? And still, it waters down a term and using it to denote idiots is kinda insulting to those who suffer from actual phobias.
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On June 25 2013 12:37 Ghostcom wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 12:35 Klondikebar wrote:On June 25 2013 12:15 Ghostcom wrote:On June 25 2013 12:01 Klondikebar wrote:On June 25 2013 11:54 Ghostcom wrote:
2) Every time the topic of homosexuality comes up I am saddened to see the bastardization that the term "homophobia" has undergone. To be quite honest it irks me that anti-homosexuals are given the benefit of a label which infers an underlying pathology which they are not responsible for themselves. The reason it's appended with "phobia" is more to indicate that it's irrational. Any argumentation in favor of it is going to be necessarily flawed because there's no rational argument in favor of discrimination based on a characteristic that does no harm to society and the individual doesn't control. That however is not what a phobia is. Sure a phobia is irrational, but for it to be a phobia it is required that the subject is self-aware of said irrationality. Now please point out which of the anti-homosexuals in this thread that has been aware of the irrationality. A phobia is further defined by it being a fear - I have yet to see anyone have a panic attack because said person saw a gay couple. The fact that it is irrational should be clear enough without misusing terms. On June 25 2013 12:01 Klondikebar wrote:On June 25 2013 11:54 Ghostcom wrote:
3) Bastardizing the word "privileged" to describe the majority and writing lists of stuff said majority supposedly do not experience (I have personally as a straight white male experienced plenty of stuff on those lists, though obviously not all) are bullshit and really deserves as much ridicule for denying those who face adversity their right to complain as those who claim homosexuality being a choice and opposing basic human rights for ALL humans. List the stuff you have experienced and explain why that experience was based on your sexual orientation not being normal and how that made you feel threatened. Do it. I'll wait. Why would I? First of all I consider homosexuality to be normal - apparently unlike you? Secondly I never claimed that it was based on my sexual orientation not being normal - you were the one to impose that. My point was exactly that despite having a normal sexual orientation one could experience quite a few things on those lists that were supposedly exclusive to "non-normal" sexuality. Thirdly, I fail to see why I have to give personal examples - it really should be self-evident that the list is far from exclusive to "non-normal" sexuality. However, since you are quite obviously going to insist: I was "dating" a muslim girl, being a Caucasian white agnostic guy I do not think it would be hard for you to figure out what I have experienced - stepping into a world where killing for the honor of the family is not unheard of and where you are by definition a spot on the family honor simply due to who you are, through no choice of your own. EDIT: Fixed the quotes - only took 3 tries! Yeah that has absolutely nothing to do with your sexual orientation. You haven't experienced anything on that list. But I'll be damned if you aren't gonna pretend like you have just to make yourself feel like you have something to contribute to your side of the discussion. So your strawman failed and this is what you come back with? Let me guess, you feel like you have actually written anything of relevance in response to what I wrote? EDIT: For clarification as you seemed to miss it the first 2 times around. I never claimed that it would have anything to do with my sexuality - in fact I claimed the opposite. That regardless of sexuality one could have said experiences.
I know you think you can. But that's exactly why you're missing the point. You don't understand why sexual orientation matters in those situations. Because as a heterosexual male, you can't understand how your orientation would ever be relevant. But for those in the minority, it is relevant. Not only do you lack sympathy, you even lack the desire to have sympathy which is pretty gross. You're part of the problem and you're the reason TeamLiquid can do something as simple as change the banner and have it be meaningful. Because it exposes people like you who have never been confronted with the fact that they can't understand why this is an issue, because they're trapped in a bubble and won't even admit that there are things they might not know.
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