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On March 30 2013 10:34 turdburgler wrote:
this whole ww2 conversation is just completely off topic. the world wars were a state of total war where everything the country did was with the aim of helping the war effort. it was justified (to an extent) to bomb traditionally civilian targets as it would weaken the sides war effort.

any war in north korea will be over so fast and fought in such a different way that there will be no logical justification for bombing of civilians.

On March 30 2013 10:36 PhoenixVoid wrote:
This is more saber rattling because NK has constantly said statements like this, yet never fell back on them. Despite all of Kim Jong-Un's Western education, he clearly has no idea how to negotiate through threats like his father did. This will only increase the threat of warfare which NK alone cannot sustain in the long-term, or will end with more threats being thrown.

On March 30 2013 10:38 Larkin wrote:


It's been constant escalation though. That's what's worrying. Every statement is more severe, and this one seems like the worst of them all.

Unless it's just the greatest April Fool's prank in the history of mankind.

On March 30 2013 10:41 PhoenixVoid wrote:

It is escalating, but has NK actually demonstrated the capability to engage in long-term warfare against a force of the USA and South Korea, let alone the rest of the West? My relatives in Korea and family in Canada have listened to this utter crap spoken for decades, and they have mainly been a tactic to force the UN to mobilize for more food aid and oil. Maybe NK is sick of being rejected despite all their attempts at threatening, and finally feel this is the only way to get global attention.

On March 30 2013 10:42 Tennoji wrote:
There seem to be a lot of people who think the North Korean Army is laughable and a threat like this is weak.
I would like to encourage these people read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_troops
Please look at active military as well as reserve military, with these two combined they are number 1 of the world in troop count...

And China will never fight alongside the US and its allies, so the troop strength in the region is very heavily favored towards North Korea I would assume.

Of course, technology is another thing entirely but since they have been supplied by Russia/China they can't be that far behind?

Any thoughts?

On March 30 2013 10:48 PhoenixVoid wrote:

Pure numbers don't dictate warfare as much as they did in the past. North Korea may have a larger army on paper, but it is half-starving, low in morale and absolutely inferior in technology compared to the West. China is a different discussion, but the way I see it, China isn't interested into conflict against South Korea and the United States, and only seeking control of North Korea after the war is over.

On March 30 2013 10:44 Zaros wrote:


The only time they fought was in the korean war in the 50s with the backing from china and USSR they managed to nearly take the whole of Korea before nearly losing it all and eventually the current borders were reached at the end of the war. North Korea on their own cannot win vs the USA and south korea but they could kill thousands if not millions of people and theres always a chance China could jump in and they have a much better military than North Korea.

On March 30 2013 10:57 jello_biafra wrote:

They're still using old Soviet equipment and the US has a significant force in the region and could bring in a lot more troops very quickly, they would get annihilated in a full scale war.

On March 30 2013 10:42 Tennoji wrote:
There seem to be a lot of people who think the North Korean Army is laughable and a threat like this is weak.
I would like to encourage these people read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_troops
Please look at active military as well as reserve military, with these two combined they are number 1 of the world in troop count...

And China will never fight alongside the US and its allies, so the troop strength in the region is very heavily favored towards North Korea I would assume.

Of course, technology is another thing entirely but since they have been supplied by Russia/China they can't be that far behind?

Any thoughts?

On March 30 2013 10:59 Zaros wrote:


I never said they wouldn't, but getting annihilated doesnt mean they cant kill alot of people with them and china has better than soviet equipment.

On March 30 2013 10:44 Zaros wrote:


The only time they fought was in the korean war in the 50s with the backing from china and USSR they managed to nearly take the whole of Korea before nearly losing it all and eventually the current borders were reached at the end of the war. North Korea on their own cannot win vs the USA and south korea but they could kill thousands if not millions of people and theres always a chance China could jump in and they have a much better military than North Korea.

On March 30 2013 11:05 sephiria wrote:


First off: China has no interest in military conflicts, they also have no chance against the US at present (and they know it).

NK might have a large military force, but they lack the logistics. They would never even be able to take Seoul (which is in reach of a good portion of their artillery) because they lack air dominance, and moving your troops through narrow chokepoints (landscape layout) under enemy fire is a bad idea. Also, it is doubtful they could even move 200.000 soldiers at once (or even millions) because they never actually attempted such a thing. Logistics would leave their frontline without ammunition after like, a day or so. Also, the SK military has done nothing else for more than 50 years, but improving their defensive capabilities against an invasion. This would be comparable to germany attacking the maginot-line in 1933 (in a fictional scenario of course).
Experts estimate that 50-80% of NKs artillery would be gone within a few days (assuming they use it and don't move it forward. If they move it, this will occur much faster) due to heavy airstrikes. It is also believed that the NK military does not have modern weaponry. They should have late cold war tech.

additionaly, there are heavily fortified bunkers in Greater Seoul that can protect around 20 million people. "millions" of deaths are extremely unlikely.
If they just attack civilian targets without any attempt to win or to survive the first 48 hrs, they could maybe kill 80.000 civilians. Since the largest minority in South Korea are chinese nationals, often party's-family-member, they'd be pissing off china which is not the best idea.
additionaly, it is quite safe to assume that they can not actually use nuclear missiles because they at present do not possess the technology to produce nuclear warheads that are small enough.

I am pretty sure they will not attack for at least 10 years except if the generals are suicidal AND heavily deluded.

On March 30 2013 10:42 Tennoji wrote:
There seem to be a lot of people who think the North Korean Army is laughable and a threat like this is weak.
I would like to encourage these people read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_troops
Please look at active military as well as reserve military, with these two combined they are number 1 of the world in troop count...

And China will never fight alongside the US and its allies, so the troop strength in the region is very heavily favored towards North Korea I would assume.

Of course, technology is another thing entirely but since they have been supplied by Russia/China they can't be that far behind?

Any thoughts?

On March 30 2013 11:01 ShloobeR wrote:


North Korea would lose air control over their own country extremely quickly, and once they lose air control over their own country (let alone the supposed battlezone of Northern South Korea) their superior troop numbers will count for very little.
Gone are the days of people lining up to take shots at each other. Their special forces troops are probably elite soldiers but even then there is a limit to what they can accomplish.