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Ragnarork
France9034 Posts
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sgtnoobkilla
Australia249 Posts
South Korea isn't backing down from this, so what happens now is up to how Pyongyang responds... | ||
Nixer
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heliusx
United States2306 Posts
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whatisthisasheep
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 21 2015 01:24 whatisthisasheep wrote: Cant South Korea say that North Korea's action was a declaration of war and go wipe the North out? It would save everybody alot of hassle. All of NK weapons are super old so they wouldnt put up much of a fight. There is this country called China that isn't going to let that happen. They don't want a war going on right next to them that ends with an America Ally being their immediate neighbor. | ||
KwarK
United States44450 Posts
On August 21 2015 01:24 whatisthisasheep wrote: Cant South Korea say that North Korea's action was a declaration of war and go wipe the North out? It would save everybody alot of hassle. All of NK weapons are super old so they wouldnt put up much of a fight. Casus belli has never been the issue. It's all the artillery aimed at Seoul (and now the fact that NK has nukes) that are the issue. But if you think NK would be a pushover you're welcome to take them on yourself. | ||
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whatisthisasheep
624 Posts
On August 21 2015 01:30 KwarK wrote: Casus belli has never been the issue. It's all the artillery aimed at Seoul (and now the fact that NK has nukes) that are the issue. But if you think NK would be a pushover you're welcome to take them on yourself. Does anybody know if all that half a century old artillery north korea still works or if they even still have ammo for it? | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 21 2015 01:34 whatisthisasheep wrote: Does anybody know if all that half a century old artillery north korea still works or if they even still have ammo for it? I don't think SK is willing to find out. And once again, they have nukes in some form. And China, who back NK in the first Korean War. There is no "wiping them out". | ||
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whatisthisasheep
624 Posts
On August 21 2015 01:37 Plansix wrote: I don't think SK is willing to find out. And once again, they have nukes in some form. And China, who back NK in the first Korean War. There is no "wiping them out". Then couldnt SK just surround Nk with ships and airplanes and wait for NK to stare themselves out because they can get a rations until they surrender? Not a shot would need to be fired. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 21 2015 01:44 whatisthisasheep wrote: Then couldnt SK just surround Nk with ships and airplanes and wait for NK to stare themselves out because they can get a rations until they surrender? Not a shot would need to be fired. If that would work, why haven't they done it? Also, you might want to look at a map to see exactly why that isn't really viable. | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
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KwarK
United States44450 Posts
On August 21 2015 01:44 whatisthisasheep wrote: Then couldnt SK just surround Nk with ships and airplanes and wait for NK to stare themselves out because they can get a rations until they surrender? Not a shot would need to be fired. Have Donald Trump dig a moat between NK and China. Also NK have artillery manufacturing technology. And ammo manufacturing technology. Also they have farming technology. But yeah, the waiting for the situation to resolve itself part of your plan, that's a good idea. You should tell SK. | ||
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whatisthisasheep
624 Posts
On August 21 2015 02:04 KwarK wrote: Have Donald Trump dig a moat between NK and China. Also NK have artillery manufacturing technology. And ammo manufacturing technology. Also they have farming technology. But yeah, the waiting for the situation to resolve itself part of your plan, that's a good idea. You should tell SK. SK should go to the UN and tell China to knock it off with NK or they will sanction the hell out of them. Either that or have SK and NK fight for another thousand years. | ||
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Nixer
2774 Posts
I'm also fairly certain that most artillery pieces that NK have in use don't even reach Seoul from the DMZ, those that do like one rocket launcher type and a heavier caliber self-propelled artillery gun can't cause much damage because of limited amounts and questionable condition. You also have to keep in mind the possibility to intercept ballistic missiles, however I'm not sure of those capabilities on the southern peninsula or the seas nearby. If there would be a conventional war I'd argue it would actually be very one-sided, however that's just what I can think and not really a considerable opinion whatsoever. As a note; isn't NK relying on humanitarian aid from western countries as well? | ||
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Simberto
Germany12087 Posts
Currently, NK is mostly problem for people in NK. It is a pretty big problem for those, but noone on the outside has anything to win inside NK, and thus noone is very enthusiastic about doing anything about that. Thus, NK is allowed to continue to exist in this disgusting state, and everyone hopes that the problem will eventually solve itself in some way, or at least that it will be the problem of their successors. The food aids are a way of feeling a bit better about yourself by trying to help with the most severe symptoms, and a bribe to the NK leadership to preserve the status quo. Sadly, there is really no good solution to this problem even if the will for it were there. NK is a toxic pile of problems that have grown to become pretty much unhandleable at this point. | ||
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Nixer
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 21 2015 02:13 whatisthisasheep wrote: SK should go to the UN and tell China to knock it off with NK or they will sanction the hell out of them. Either that or have SK and NK fight for another thousand years. China is on the security counsel and no one is going to sanction them over NK. Can we come back to the reality now where this isn't a problem that can be solved through military force? | ||
zatic
Zurich15366 Posts
On August 21 2015 02:21 Nixer wrote: I'm also fairly certain that most artillery pieces that NK have in use don't even reach Seoul from the DMZ, those that do like one rocket launcher type and a heavier caliber self-propelled artillery gun can't cause much damage because of limited amounts and questionable condition. You also have to keep in mind the possibility to intercept ballistic missiles, however I'm not sure of those capabilities on the southern peninsula or the seas nearby. Seoul is absolutely in range of conventional artillery. There are also cities in South Korea other than Seoul. No one argues that the whole affair wouldn't be terribly one sided, however the casualties would be still be incredible, from a modern, first world perspective. Of course, the real question is, why on earth would the South want to kill their (figurative, and literal) brothers and sisters? | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
But the greatest problem (one Seoul has been planning about for 60+ years) is what happens after the Kim Regime is all executed. "Third World Hell Hole" doesn't begin to describe the state of North Korea. Which is why NK will never become part of SK. They'll be run as two separate countries. A limited Confederation may be possible after 40-50 years. Then you have 20 million malnourished, uneducated and politically indoctrinated people that are going to want to do everything in their power to leave. But you really can't let them. This is all the result of the Kim Regime and the utter evil that they are. May the rest riddled with bullets. | ||
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