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sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-29 21:35:08
January 29 2013 21:14 GMT
#541
All right, I think I chased him off with my superior understanding of his religion. you guys can have your thread back now

edit: ugh, guess not. just keep asking him why he doesn't keep kosher until he goes away.
shikata ga nai
McBengt
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden1684 Posts
January 29 2013 21:22 GMT
#542
On January 30 2013 05:46 BlazeFury01 wrote:
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On January 30 2013 05:44 FabledIntegral wrote:
On January 30 2013 05:41 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On January 30 2013 05:35 FabledIntegral wrote:
On January 30 2013 05:24 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On January 30 2013 05:20 FabledIntegral wrote:
On January 30 2013 04:43 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On January 30 2013 04:32 Alay wrote:
On January 30 2013 03:48 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On January 30 2013 03:38 sVnteen wrote:
[quote]

so what you are saying is taht it is ok to believe that homosexuality is bad but not that being black is bad?

Well, I look at it this way. Being A color of race doesn't stop reproduction. Ask yourself this: If the whole world was homosexual, how on earth would mankind cease to exist with no reproduction? If the whole world was black that wouldn't effect anything. However, it would certainly cure racism. I would say that it's not your choice to be born black, but in the same instance people tell me that they're born homosexual, so I have to rule out this comparison and refer to the reproductive analogy above. Is it right? Logically, no. Is it wrong to discriminate against them? Yes, but not under religious intent. There should be a similar program for homosexuals.


I'm not sure I can understand how you feel that the element of banning homosexuals on a basis of religious views is any more or less inherently 'wrong' than the previous widespread banning of blacks from organizations because of religious views (they were previously considered 'dirty souls' and stuff like that.)

Further, segregation of sexualities is kind of pointless and would only be there to try and belittle a minority or empower a majority.

Their both wrong in a sense. However, being of color doesn't affect the mentality of someone of youth like two men kissing in public can. Kids are like monkey see, monkey do; these days. If a parent doesn't want their kids to be exposed to such activity them they should have the right to join an organization that teaches their young boy how to become a man, not a gay man and vice versa. There should be an organization like the BSoA that all gay men should be allowed to join a well. So they have the same opportunity.


You did not seriously just use the "gay people convert straight people to become gay" argument did you?

No, I used a "fact" of what occurred at my middle/high school. Unless you just want to call it a factual argument. It was the straight kids decision to make the choice they did. The same as peer pressure. Some people do what they have to do to "be cool". Which is why I brought up the monkey analogy.


There is no factual argument. Even if you do have some hilarious anecdotal evidence about a straight kid peer pressured into engaging in a homosexual act, you're talking about 0.001% of the population, at best. Did you go to middle school in an extremely rural area, by any chance?

I went to school in an urban area. Also, where did you get that percentage from? If you were talking about yourself when you said "there is no factual argument" then I completely agree with you after seeing your false percentage.


So to clarify, yes, you think gay people turn straight people gay.

It depends on the mind of the individual in question and what they're trying to accomplish by doing so. Is it possible? Of course it is.


I cannot explain in words how much stupid is containted in this one, short post. How it contradicts every study and every piece of credible scientific evidence on the subject. So I'll just say; lol.
"My twelve year old will out-reason Bill Maher when it comes to understanding, you know, what, uh, how to logic work" - Rick Santorum
BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
January 29 2013 21:33 GMT
#543
On January 30 2013 06:22 McBengt wrote:
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On January 30 2013 05:46 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On January 30 2013 05:44 FabledIntegral wrote:
On January 30 2013 05:41 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On January 30 2013 05:35 FabledIntegral wrote:
On January 30 2013 05:24 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On January 30 2013 05:20 FabledIntegral wrote:
On January 30 2013 04:43 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On January 30 2013 04:32 Alay wrote:
On January 30 2013 03:48 BlazeFury01 wrote:
[quote]
Well, I look at it this way. Being A color of race doesn't stop reproduction. Ask yourself this: If the whole world was homosexual, how on earth would mankind cease to exist with no reproduction? If the whole world was black that wouldn't effect anything. However, it would certainly cure racism. I would say that it's not your choice to be born black, but in the same instance people tell me that they're born homosexual, so I have to rule out this comparison and refer to the reproductive analogy above. Is it right? Logically, no. Is it wrong to discriminate against them? Yes, but not under religious intent. There should be a similar program for homosexuals.


I'm not sure I can understand how you feel that the element of banning homosexuals on a basis of religious views is any more or less inherently 'wrong' than the previous widespread banning of blacks from organizations because of religious views (they were previously considered 'dirty souls' and stuff like that.)

Further, segregation of sexualities is kind of pointless and would only be there to try and belittle a minority or empower a majority.

Their both wrong in a sense. However, being of color doesn't affect the mentality of someone of youth like two men kissing in public can. Kids are like monkey see, monkey do; these days. If a parent doesn't want their kids to be exposed to such activity them they should have the right to join an organization that teaches their young boy how to become a man, not a gay man and vice versa. There should be an organization like the BSoA that all gay men should be allowed to join a well. So they have the same opportunity.


You did not seriously just use the "gay people convert straight people to become gay" argument did you?

No, I used a "fact" of what occurred at my middle/high school. Unless you just want to call it a factual argument. It was the straight kids decision to make the choice they did. The same as peer pressure. Some people do what they have to do to "be cool". Which is why I brought up the monkey analogy.


There is no factual argument. Even if you do have some hilarious anecdotal evidence about a straight kid peer pressured into engaging in a homosexual act, you're talking about 0.001% of the population, at best. Did you go to middle school in an extremely rural area, by any chance?

I went to school in an urban area. Also, where did you get that percentage from? If you were talking about yourself when you said "there is no factual argument" then I completely agree with you after seeing your false percentage.


So to clarify, yes, you think gay people turn straight people gay.

It depends on the mind of the individual in question and what they're trying to accomplish by doing so. Is it possible? Of course it is.


I cannot explain in words how much stupid is containted in this one, short post. How it contradicts every study and every piece of credible scientific evidence on the subject. So I'll just say; lol.

Post your credible scientific evidence or don't say anything at all. Lets see what "evidence" I "contradict" with.
McBengt
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden1684 Posts
January 29 2013 21:37 GMT
#544
On January 30 2013 06:33 BlazeFury01 wrote:
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On January 30 2013 06:22 McBengt wrote:
On January 30 2013 05:46 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On January 30 2013 05:44 FabledIntegral wrote:
On January 30 2013 05:41 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On January 30 2013 05:35 FabledIntegral wrote:
On January 30 2013 05:24 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On January 30 2013 05:20 FabledIntegral wrote:
On January 30 2013 04:43 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On January 30 2013 04:32 Alay wrote:
[quote]

I'm not sure I can understand how you feel that the element of banning homosexuals on a basis of religious views is any more or less inherently 'wrong' than the previous widespread banning of blacks from organizations because of religious views (they were previously considered 'dirty souls' and stuff like that.)

Further, segregation of sexualities is kind of pointless and would only be there to try and belittle a minority or empower a majority.

Their both wrong in a sense. However, being of color doesn't affect the mentality of someone of youth like two men kissing in public can. Kids are like monkey see, monkey do; these days. If a parent doesn't want their kids to be exposed to such activity them they should have the right to join an organization that teaches their young boy how to become a man, not a gay man and vice versa. There should be an organization like the BSoA that all gay men should be allowed to join a well. So they have the same opportunity.


You did not seriously just use the "gay people convert straight people to become gay" argument did you?

No, I used a "fact" of what occurred at my middle/high school. Unless you just want to call it a factual argument. It was the straight kids decision to make the choice they did. The same as peer pressure. Some people do what they have to do to "be cool". Which is why I brought up the monkey analogy.


There is no factual argument. Even if you do have some hilarious anecdotal evidence about a straight kid peer pressured into engaging in a homosexual act, you're talking about 0.001% of the population, at best. Did you go to middle school in an extremely rural area, by any chance?

I went to school in an urban area. Also, where did you get that percentage from? If you were talking about yourself when you said "there is no factual argument" then I completely agree with you after seeing your false percentage.


So to clarify, yes, you think gay people turn straight people gay.

It depends on the mind of the individual in question and what they're trying to accomplish by doing so. Is it possible? Of course it is.


I cannot explain in words how much stupid is containted in this one, short post. How it contradicts every study and every piece of credible scientific evidence on the subject. So I'll just say; lol.

Post your credible scientific evidence or don't say anything at all. Lets see what "evidence" I "contradict" with.


No. I will not lend credence your absurd notion that you can turn a straight person gay by taking it even remotely seriously, or dignify it with a serious response. How about you show us your evidence? How about you show me one serious scientist who will say that sexuality is not genetic, or that it can be altered through something as shallow as peer pressure?
"My twelve year old will out-reason Bill Maher when it comes to understanding, you know, what, uh, how to logic work" - Rick Santorum
BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-29 21:47:14
January 29 2013 21:46 GMT
#545
On January 30 2013 06:37 McBengt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2013 06:33 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On January 30 2013 06:22 McBengt wrote:
On January 30 2013 05:46 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On January 30 2013 05:44 FabledIntegral wrote:
On January 30 2013 05:41 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On January 30 2013 05:35 FabledIntegral wrote:
On January 30 2013 05:24 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On January 30 2013 05:20 FabledIntegral wrote:
On January 30 2013 04:43 BlazeFury01 wrote:
[quote]
Their both wrong in a sense. However, being of color doesn't affect the mentality of someone of youth like two men kissing in public can. Kids are like monkey see, monkey do; these days. If a parent doesn't want their kids to be exposed to such activity them they should have the right to join an organization that teaches their young boy how to become a man, not a gay man and vice versa. There should be an organization like the BSoA that all gay men should be allowed to join a well. So they have the same opportunity.


You did not seriously just use the "gay people convert straight people to become gay" argument did you?

No, I used a "fact" of what occurred at my middle/high school. Unless you just want to call it a factual argument. It was the straight kids decision to make the choice they did. The same as peer pressure. Some people do what they have to do to "be cool". Which is why I brought up the monkey analogy.


There is no factual argument. Even if you do have some hilarious anecdotal evidence about a straight kid peer pressured into engaging in a homosexual act, you're talking about 0.001% of the population, at best. Did you go to middle school in an extremely rural area, by any chance?

I went to school in an urban area. Also, where did you get that percentage from? If you were talking about yourself when you said "there is no factual argument" then I completely agree with you after seeing your false percentage.


So to clarify, yes, you think gay people turn straight people gay.

It depends on the mind of the individual in question and what they're trying to accomplish by doing so. Is it possible? Of course it is.


I cannot explain in words how much stupid is containted in this one, short post. How it contradicts every study and every piece of credible scientific evidence on the subject. So I'll just say; lol.

Post your credible scientific evidence or don't say anything at all. Lets see what "evidence" I "contradict" with.


No. I will not lend credence your absurd notion that you can turn a straight person gay by taking it even remotely seriously, or dignify it with a serious response. How about you show us your evidence? How about you show me one serious scientist who will say that sexuality is not genetic, or that it can be altered through something as shallow as peer pressure?

Because you have none. You're just made it up to make yourself sound smart. If you read my post again, you would see that peer pressure was used as an example that kids will do anything to "be cool" or "fit in". Before it I clearly say that it was the kids choice to make the decision to convert to "fit in". I have had lady friends in high school who were straight on day then bi or straight lesbian the day after. So, I don't see where you saw an "amount of stupid" in my post.
Xapti
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2473 Posts
January 29 2013 21:46 GMT
#546
On January 30 2013 04:43 BlazeFury01 wrote:
Their both wrong in a sense. However, being of color doesn't affect the mentality of someone of youth like two men kissing in public can. Kids are like monkey see, monkey do; these days. If a parent doesn't want their kids to be exposed to such activity them they should have the right to join an organization that teaches their young boy how to become a man, not a gay man and vice versa. There should be an organization like the BSoA that all gay men should be allowed to join a well. So they have the same opportunity.

Do you think that's what scouts instructors do? kiss people and teach kids about sexuality?
A person being homosexual, but not acting out any homosexual actions has nothing to do with their job.
"Then he told me to tell you that he wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire" — "Well, you tell him that I said that I wouldn't piss on him if he was on Jeopardy!"
McBengt
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden1684 Posts
January 29 2013 21:51 GMT
#547
On January 30 2013 06:46 BlazeFury01 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2013 06:37 McBengt wrote:
On January 30 2013 06:33 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On January 30 2013 06:22 McBengt wrote:
On January 30 2013 05:46 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On January 30 2013 05:44 FabledIntegral wrote:
On January 30 2013 05:41 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On January 30 2013 05:35 FabledIntegral wrote:
On January 30 2013 05:24 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On January 30 2013 05:20 FabledIntegral wrote:
[quote]

You did not seriously just use the "gay people convert straight people to become gay" argument did you?

No, I used a "fact" of what occurred at my middle/high school. Unless you just want to call it a factual argument. It was the straight kids decision to make the choice they did. The same as peer pressure. Some people do what they have to do to "be cool". Which is why I brought up the monkey analogy.


There is no factual argument. Even if you do have some hilarious anecdotal evidence about a straight kid peer pressured into engaging in a homosexual act, you're talking about 0.001% of the population, at best. Did you go to middle school in an extremely rural area, by any chance?

I went to school in an urban area. Also, where did you get that percentage from? If you were talking about yourself when you said "there is no factual argument" then I completely agree with you after seeing your false percentage.


So to clarify, yes, you think gay people turn straight people gay.

It depends on the mind of the individual in question and what they're trying to accomplish by doing so. Is it possible? Of course it is.


I cannot explain in words how much stupid is containted in this one, short post. How it contradicts every study and every piece of credible scientific evidence on the subject. So I'll just say; lol.

Post your credible scientific evidence or don't say anything at all. Lets see what "evidence" I "contradict" with.


No. I will not lend credence your absurd notion that you can turn a straight person gay by taking it even remotely seriously, or dignify it with a serious response. How about you show us your evidence? How about you show me one serious scientist who will say that sexuality is not genetic, or that it can be altered through something as shallow as peer pressure?

Because you have none. You're just made it up to make yourself sound smart. If you read my post again, you would see that peer pressure was used as an example that kids will do anything to "be cool" or "fit in". Before it I clearly say that it was the kids choice to make the decision to convert to "fit in". I have had lady friends in high school who were straight on day then bi or straight lesbian the day after. So, I don't see where you saw an "amount of stupid" in my post.


An ancdote of someone acting gay in high school? Seems credible. If you really think I made this up, go read a book. Not the bible, btw.
"My twelve year old will out-reason Bill Maher when it comes to understanding, you know, what, uh, how to logic work" - Rick Santorum
BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
January 29 2013 21:52 GMT
#548
On January 30 2013 06:46 Xapti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2013 04:43 BlazeFury01 wrote:
Their both wrong in a sense. However, being of color doesn't affect the mentality of someone of youth like two men kissing in public can. Kids are like monkey see, monkey do; these days. If a parent doesn't want their kids to be exposed to such activity them they should have the right to join an organization that teaches their young boy how to become a man, not a gay man and vice versa. There should be an organization like the BSoA that all gay men should be allowed to join a well. So they have the same opportunity.

Do you think that's what scouts instructors do? kiss people and teach kids about sexuality?
A person being homosexual, but not acting out any homosexual actions has nothing to do with their job.

That's fine in a sense because the child isn't being directly exposed to any actions. Although, it still does go against their policies in general. But, as long as the kid doesn't see anything then there shouldn't be a problem.
Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
January 29 2013 21:54 GMT
#549
Join a different group then?
It's not like every group is the same. Scout has evolved in the past and will continue to evolve.
If you're so narrow minded that you don't want your child to join a group with gay people in it then don't join.
But the Scout association of America should do what other associations worldwide have done (such as the UK) and modernise yet again.
Don't hate the player - Hate the game
BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
January 29 2013 21:54 GMT
#550
On January 30 2013 06:51 McBengt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2013 06:46 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On January 30 2013 06:37 McBengt wrote:
On January 30 2013 06:33 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On January 30 2013 06:22 McBengt wrote:
On January 30 2013 05:46 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On January 30 2013 05:44 FabledIntegral wrote:
On January 30 2013 05:41 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On January 30 2013 05:35 FabledIntegral wrote:
On January 30 2013 05:24 BlazeFury01 wrote:
[quote]
No, I used a "fact" of what occurred at my middle/high school. Unless you just want to call it a factual argument. It was the straight kids decision to make the choice they did. The same as peer pressure. Some people do what they have to do to "be cool". Which is why I brought up the monkey analogy.


There is no factual argument. Even if you do have some hilarious anecdotal evidence about a straight kid peer pressured into engaging in a homosexual act, you're talking about 0.001% of the population, at best. Did you go to middle school in an extremely rural area, by any chance?

I went to school in an urban area. Also, where did you get that percentage from? If you were talking about yourself when you said "there is no factual argument" then I completely agree with you after seeing your false percentage.


So to clarify, yes, you think gay people turn straight people gay.

It depends on the mind of the individual in question and what they're trying to accomplish by doing so. Is it possible? Of course it is.


I cannot explain in words how much stupid is containted in this one, short post. How it contradicts every study and every piece of credible scientific evidence on the subject. So I'll just say; lol.

Post your credible scientific evidence or don't say anything at all. Lets see what "evidence" I "contradict" with.


No. I will not lend credence your absurd notion that you can turn a straight person gay by taking it even remotely seriously, or dignify it with a serious response. How about you show us your evidence? How about you show me one serious scientist who will say that sexuality is not genetic, or that it can be altered through something as shallow as peer pressure?

Because you have none. You're just made it up to make yourself sound smart. If you read my post again, you would see that peer pressure was used as an example that kids will do anything to "be cool" or "fit in". Before it I clearly say that it was the kids choice to make the decision to convert to "fit in". I have had lady friends in high school who were straight on day then bi or straight lesbian the day after. So, I don't see where you saw an "amount of stupid" in my post.


An ancdote of someone acting gay in high school? Seems credible. If you really think I made this up, go read a book. Not the bible, btw.

There's a difference between acting and doing. These kids definitely weren't acting. How about you post some books up here that you've read that cover the topic since you've read so much.
Jormundr
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1678 Posts
January 29 2013 21:54 GMT
#551
On January 30 2013 05:04 BlazeFury01 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2013 04:44 farvacola wrote:
On January 30 2013 04:43 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On January 30 2013 04:32 Alay wrote:
On January 30 2013 03:48 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On January 30 2013 03:38 sVnteen wrote:
On January 30 2013 03:27 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On January 30 2013 03:16 Arghmyliver wrote:
On January 30 2013 02:32 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On October 09 2012 00:43 MooMu wrote:
Boy Scouts of America Rejects Eagle Scout Status to Gay Member

BSA standing up for their backwards policies against homosexuals yet again.

I respect their firm stance on this issue as it will make it more abundantly clear that this organization is inimical to a compassionate and progressive society and culture.

I propose they change their name to The Faggotless Boy Scouts of America (FBSA) to avoid any further issues in the future.Edited by KwarK to head off religion tangents

[Redacted - I was pissed. You understand]

Don't support the BSA until they get their shit together and join the rest of us in modernity.

Lol so their supposed to just drop everything that their organization stands for just because somebody who likes the opposite sex wants to join? That's preposterous. If their policies were written in respect to their religion then I don't see why you people don't think that they should be allowed to uphold it. It's always a one way ticket with you folks. Your way or the highway eh?


I think even the KKK is required to allow black members to join. You can believe whatever you want - but you can't be discriminatory in terms of you r membership.

I figured that would be an argument you would try to direct my way. Homosexuality has no color. lol you comparing a hate crime organization to a religious organization. I see what point you're trying to make though. But still, Homosexuality has no color and it certainly doesn't say Race: Homosexual on your license.


so what you are saying is taht it is ok to believe that homosexuality is bad but not that being black is bad?

Well, I look at it this way. Being A color of race doesn't stop reproduction. Ask yourself this: If the whole world was homosexual, how on earth would mankind cease to exist with no reproduction? If the whole world was black that wouldn't effect anything. However, it would certainly cure racism. I would say that it's not your choice to be born black, but in the same instance people tell me that they're born homosexual, so I have to rule out this comparison and refer to the reproductive analogy above. Is it right? Logically, no. Is it wrong to discriminate against them? Yes, but not under religious intent. There should be a similar program for homosexuals.


I'm not sure I can understand how you feel that the element of banning homosexuals on a basis of religious views is any more or less inherently 'wrong' than the previous widespread banning of blacks from organizations because of religious views (they were previously considered 'dirty souls' and stuff like that.)

Further, segregation of sexualities is kind of pointless and would only be there to try and belittle a minority or empower a majority.

Their both wrong in a sense. However, being of color doesn't affect the mentality of someone of youth like two men kissing in public can. Kids are like monkey see, monkey do; these days. If a parent doesn't want their kids to be exposed to such activity them they should have the right to join an organization that teaches their young boy how to become a man, not a gay man and vice versa. There should be an organization like the BSoA that all gay men should be allowed to join a well. So they have the same opportunity.

Kids are not like monkeys, and if a parent treats them as such, they deserve to have shit flung in their face. Gay men kissing do not owe shitty parents anything.
I'm not talking about how a parent treats them, I'm talking about their mentality to copy what say see an what he/she thinks is cool. I actually heard people say in mid and high school that being gay was "cool" and straight kids tried it because it was the "thing to do" so to say.

I tried to be the leader of the autobots because it was the thing to do.
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BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
January 29 2013 21:57 GMT
#552
On January 30 2013 06:54 Jormundr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2013 05:04 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On January 30 2013 04:44 farvacola wrote:
On January 30 2013 04:43 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On January 30 2013 04:32 Alay wrote:
On January 30 2013 03:48 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On January 30 2013 03:38 sVnteen wrote:
On January 30 2013 03:27 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On January 30 2013 03:16 Arghmyliver wrote:
On January 30 2013 02:32 BlazeFury01 wrote:
[quote]
Lol so their supposed to just drop everything that their organization stands for just because somebody who likes the opposite sex wants to join? That's preposterous. If their policies were written in respect to their religion then I don't see why you people don't think that they should be allowed to uphold it. It's always a one way ticket with you folks. Your way or the highway eh?


I think even the KKK is required to allow black members to join. You can believe whatever you want - but you can't be discriminatory in terms of you r membership.

I figured that would be an argument you would try to direct my way. Homosexuality has no color. lol you comparing a hate crime organization to a religious organization. I see what point you're trying to make though. But still, Homosexuality has no color and it certainly doesn't say Race: Homosexual on your license.


so what you are saying is taht it is ok to believe that homosexuality is bad but not that being black is bad?

Well, I look at it this way. Being A color of race doesn't stop reproduction. Ask yourself this: If the whole world was homosexual, how on earth would mankind cease to exist with no reproduction? If the whole world was black that wouldn't effect anything. However, it would certainly cure racism. I would say that it's not your choice to be born black, but in the same instance people tell me that they're born homosexual, so I have to rule out this comparison and refer to the reproductive analogy above. Is it right? Logically, no. Is it wrong to discriminate against them? Yes, but not under religious intent. There should be a similar program for homosexuals.


I'm not sure I can understand how you feel that the element of banning homosexuals on a basis of religious views is any more or less inherently 'wrong' than the previous widespread banning of blacks from organizations because of religious views (they were previously considered 'dirty souls' and stuff like that.)

Further, segregation of sexualities is kind of pointless and would only be there to try and belittle a minority or empower a majority.

Their both wrong in a sense. However, being of color doesn't affect the mentality of someone of youth like two men kissing in public can. Kids are like monkey see, monkey do; these days. If a parent doesn't want their kids to be exposed to such activity them they should have the right to join an organization that teaches their young boy how to become a man, not a gay man and vice versa. There should be an organization like the BSoA that all gay men should be allowed to join a well. So they have the same opportunity.

Kids are not like monkeys, and if a parent treats them as such, they deserve to have shit flung in their face. Gay men kissing do not owe shitty parents anything.
I'm not talking about how a parent treats them, I'm talking about their mentality to copy what say see an what he/she thinks is cool. I actually heard people say in mid and high school that being gay was "cool" and straight kids tried it because it was the "thing to do" so to say.

I tried to be the leader of the autobots because it was the thing to do.
Sarcasm. But you still did it right? You just proved my point.
McBengt
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden1684 Posts
January 29 2013 21:57 GMT
#553
On January 30 2013 06:54 BlazeFury01 wrote:
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On January 30 2013 06:51 McBengt wrote:
On January 30 2013 06:46 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On January 30 2013 06:37 McBengt wrote:
On January 30 2013 06:33 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On January 30 2013 06:22 McBengt wrote:
On January 30 2013 05:46 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On January 30 2013 05:44 FabledIntegral wrote:
On January 30 2013 05:41 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On January 30 2013 05:35 FabledIntegral wrote:
[quote]

There is no factual argument. Even if you do have some hilarious anecdotal evidence about a straight kid peer pressured into engaging in a homosexual act, you're talking about 0.001% of the population, at best. Did you go to middle school in an extremely rural area, by any chance?

I went to school in an urban area. Also, where did you get that percentage from? If you were talking about yourself when you said "there is no factual argument" then I completely agree with you after seeing your false percentage.


So to clarify, yes, you think gay people turn straight people gay.

It depends on the mind of the individual in question and what they're trying to accomplish by doing so. Is it possible? Of course it is.


I cannot explain in words how much stupid is containted in this one, short post. How it contradicts every study and every piece of credible scientific evidence on the subject. So I'll just say; lol.

Post your credible scientific evidence or don't say anything at all. Lets see what "evidence" I "contradict" with.


No. I will not lend credence your absurd notion that you can turn a straight person gay by taking it even remotely seriously, or dignify it with a serious response. How about you show us your evidence? How about you show me one serious scientist who will say that sexuality is not genetic, or that it can be altered through something as shallow as peer pressure?

Because you have none. You're just made it up to make yourself sound smart. If you read my post again, you would see that peer pressure was used as an example that kids will do anything to "be cool" or "fit in". Before it I clearly say that it was the kids choice to make the decision to convert to "fit in". I have had lady friends in high school who were straight on day then bi or straight lesbian the day after. So, I don't see where you saw an "amount of stupid" in my post.


An ancdote of someone acting gay in high school? Seems credible. If you really think I made this up, go read a book. Not the bible, btw.

There's a difference between acting and doing. These kids definitely weren't acting. How about you post some books up here that you've read that cover the topic since you've read so much.


It is not my responsibility do educate you on fundamental human sexuality. I am not going explain this to you any more than I'm going to explain how we know the earth is not flat.
"My twelve year old will out-reason Bill Maher when it comes to understanding, you know, what, uh, how to logic work" - Rick Santorum
BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
January 29 2013 21:57 GMT
#554
Anyway, BSoA may drop the gay ban according to an article on foxnews.
BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
January 29 2013 21:59 GMT
#555
On January 30 2013 06:57 McBengt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2013 06:54 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On January 30 2013 06:51 McBengt wrote:
On January 30 2013 06:46 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On January 30 2013 06:37 McBengt wrote:
On January 30 2013 06:33 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On January 30 2013 06:22 McBengt wrote:
On January 30 2013 05:46 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On January 30 2013 05:44 FabledIntegral wrote:
On January 30 2013 05:41 BlazeFury01 wrote:
[quote]
I went to school in an urban area. Also, where did you get that percentage from? If you were talking about yourself when you said "there is no factual argument" then I completely agree with you after seeing your false percentage.


So to clarify, yes, you think gay people turn straight people gay.

It depends on the mind of the individual in question and what they're trying to accomplish by doing so. Is it possible? Of course it is.


I cannot explain in words how much stupid is containted in this one, short post. How it contradicts every study and every piece of credible scientific evidence on the subject. So I'll just say; lol.

Post your credible scientific evidence or don't say anything at all. Lets see what "evidence" I "contradict" with.


No. I will not lend credence your absurd notion that you can turn a straight person gay by taking it even remotely seriously, or dignify it with a serious response. How about you show us your evidence? How about you show me one serious scientist who will say that sexuality is not genetic, or that it can be altered through something as shallow as peer pressure?

Because you have none. You're just made it up to make yourself sound smart. If you read my post again, you would see that peer pressure was used as an example that kids will do anything to "be cool" or "fit in". Before it I clearly say that it was the kids choice to make the decision to convert to "fit in". I have had lady friends in high school who were straight on day then bi or straight lesbian the day after. So, I don't see where you saw an "amount of stupid" in my post.


An ancdote of someone acting gay in high school? Seems credible. If you really think I made this up, go read a book. Not the bible, btw.

There's a difference between acting and doing. These kids definitely weren't acting. How about you post some books up here that you've read that cover the topic since you've read so much.


It is not my responsibility do educate you on fundamental human sexuality. I am not going explain this to you any more than I'm going to explain how we know the earth is not flat.

Because you yourself do not know. Nice try buddy
KosQ
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany223 Posts
January 29 2013 22:01 GMT
#556
@McBengt, I think this is the point where you should give up discussing since no argument will be sufficient Good job staying mannerd though!
To the OP - I agree even though it doesn't affect me what so ever
Jormundr
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1678 Posts
January 29 2013 22:02 GMT
#557
On January 30 2013 06:54 BlazeFury01 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2013 06:51 McBengt wrote:
On January 30 2013 06:46 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On January 30 2013 06:37 McBengt wrote:
On January 30 2013 06:33 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On January 30 2013 06:22 McBengt wrote:
On January 30 2013 05:46 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On January 30 2013 05:44 FabledIntegral wrote:
On January 30 2013 05:41 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On January 30 2013 05:35 FabledIntegral wrote:
[quote]

There is no factual argument. Even if you do have some hilarious anecdotal evidence about a straight kid peer pressured into engaging in a homosexual act, you're talking about 0.001% of the population, at best. Did you go to middle school in an extremely rural area, by any chance?

I went to school in an urban area. Also, where did you get that percentage from? If you were talking about yourself when you said "there is no factual argument" then I completely agree with you after seeing your false percentage.


So to clarify, yes, you think gay people turn straight people gay.

It depends on the mind of the individual in question and what they're trying to accomplish by doing so. Is it possible? Of course it is.


I cannot explain in words how much stupid is containted in this one, short post. How it contradicts every study and every piece of credible scientific evidence on the subject. So I'll just say; lol.

Post your credible scientific evidence or don't say anything at all. Lets see what "evidence" I "contradict" with.


No. I will not lend credence your absurd notion that you can turn a straight person gay by taking it even remotely seriously, or dignify it with a serious response. How about you show us your evidence? How about you show me one serious scientist who will say that sexuality is not genetic, or that it can be altered through something as shallow as peer pressure?

Because you have none. You're just made it up to make yourself sound smart. If you read my post again, you would see that peer pressure was used as an example that kids will do anything to "be cool" or "fit in". Before it I clearly say that it was the kids choice to make the decision to convert to "fit in". I have had lady friends in high school who were straight on day then bi or straight lesbian the day after. So, I don't see where you saw an "amount of stupid" in my post.


An ancdote of someone acting gay in high school? Seems credible. If you really think I made this up, go read a book. Not the bible, btw.

There's a difference between acting and doing. These kids definitely weren't acting. How about you post some books up here that you've read that cover the topic since you've read so much.

THEY TURNED LESBIAN
IN THE SPAN OF ONLY A DAY
OH GOD ITS SPREADING
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Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
January 29 2013 22:02 GMT
#558
On January 30 2013 06:59 BlazeFury01 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2013 06:57 McBengt wrote:
On January 30 2013 06:54 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On January 30 2013 06:51 McBengt wrote:
On January 30 2013 06:46 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On January 30 2013 06:37 McBengt wrote:
On January 30 2013 06:33 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On January 30 2013 06:22 McBengt wrote:
On January 30 2013 05:46 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On January 30 2013 05:44 FabledIntegral wrote:
[quote]

So to clarify, yes, you think gay people turn straight people gay.

It depends on the mind of the individual in question and what they're trying to accomplish by doing so. Is it possible? Of course it is.


I cannot explain in words how much stupid is containted in this one, short post. How it contradicts every study and every piece of credible scientific evidence on the subject. So I'll just say; lol.

Post your credible scientific evidence or don't say anything at all. Lets see what "evidence" I "contradict" with.


No. I will not lend credence your absurd notion that you can turn a straight person gay by taking it even remotely seriously, or dignify it with a serious response. How about you show us your evidence? How about you show me one serious scientist who will say that sexuality is not genetic, or that it can be altered through something as shallow as peer pressure?

Because you have none. You're just made it up to make yourself sound smart. If you read my post again, you would see that peer pressure was used as an example that kids will do anything to "be cool" or "fit in". Before it I clearly say that it was the kids choice to make the decision to convert to "fit in". I have had lady friends in high school who were straight on day then bi or straight lesbian the day after. So, I don't see where you saw an "amount of stupid" in my post.


An ancdote of someone acting gay in high school? Seems credible. If you really think I made this up, go read a book. Not the bible, btw.

There's a difference between acting and doing. These kids definitely weren't acting. How about you post some books up here that you've read that cover the topic since you've read so much.


It is not my responsibility do educate you on fundamental human sexuality. I am not going explain this to you any more than I'm going to explain how we know the earth is not flat.

Because you yourself do not know. Nice try buddy


What makes you think you know human sexuality? From where do you derive your ethical knowledge?
BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
January 29 2013 22:04 GMT
#559
On January 30 2013 07:02 Roe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2013 06:59 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On January 30 2013 06:57 McBengt wrote:
On January 30 2013 06:54 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On January 30 2013 06:51 McBengt wrote:
On January 30 2013 06:46 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On January 30 2013 06:37 McBengt wrote:
On January 30 2013 06:33 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On January 30 2013 06:22 McBengt wrote:
On January 30 2013 05:46 BlazeFury01 wrote:
[quote]
It depends on the mind of the individual in question and what they're trying to accomplish by doing so. Is it possible? Of course it is.


I cannot explain in words how much stupid is containted in this one, short post. How it contradicts every study and every piece of credible scientific evidence on the subject. So I'll just say; lol.

Post your credible scientific evidence or don't say anything at all. Lets see what "evidence" I "contradict" with.


No. I will not lend credence your absurd notion that you can turn a straight person gay by taking it even remotely seriously, or dignify it with a serious response. How about you show us your evidence? How about you show me one serious scientist who will say that sexuality is not genetic, or that it can be altered through something as shallow as peer pressure?

Because you have none. You're just made it up to make yourself sound smart. If you read my post again, you would see that peer pressure was used as an example that kids will do anything to "be cool" or "fit in". Before it I clearly say that it was the kids choice to make the decision to convert to "fit in". I have had lady friends in high school who were straight on day then bi or straight lesbian the day after. So, I don't see where you saw an "amount of stupid" in my post.


An ancdote of someone acting gay in high school? Seems credible. If you really think I made this up, go read a book. Not the bible, btw.

There's a difference between acting and doing. These kids definitely weren't acting. How about you post some books up here that you've read that cover the topic since you've read so much.


It is not my responsibility do educate you on fundamental human sexuality. I am not going explain this to you any more than I'm going to explain how we know the earth is not flat.

Because you yourself do not know. Nice try buddy


What makes you think you know human sexuality? From where do you derive your ethical knowledge?

What makes you think that I don't know it and that you do?
Rostam
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2552 Posts
January 29 2013 22:10 GMT
#560
BlazeFury01 casts Evasion
BlazeFury01 dodges question
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