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distant_voice
Germany2521 Posts
On March 02 2006 13:51 DTDominion wrote: It's not that the video has no evidence, or even that all the facts are wrong, but it's the way that they are presented which makes them so bad. A: ey, why did we have to give that Galileo guy the axe? he kinda had evidence... B: he should've made a powerpoint presentation | ||
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distant_voice
Germany2521 Posts
[QUOTE]On March 02 2006 11:00 Mynock wrote: [QUOTE]On March 02 2006 09:58 -_- wrote: [QUOTE]On March 02 2006 09:26 distant_voice wrote: exactly[/QUOTE] ... I hate it when people try giving a bunch of links because it makes them look they posted something worthwhile, but in reality their stuff is shit. The onion is a better source for news than the crap you gave me.[/QUOTE] [quote]Hey -_-, buddy, why not tone it down a bit? Either start making sense along with civilized responses or just bail like the matamata guy.[/quote] No. I will not "tone it down." Not when dealing with such a degree of stupidity and hate.[/QUOTE] please, I'm not stupid nor do I hate the United States, I even study American literature. I'm fond of the idea that the pioneers had when they came to the states, trying to build something new and fresh, making a new start, from scratch. These people had power, will and hope. It seems some of that got lost during the lost 200 years, and your current leaders shit on the ideals that the constitution is based on, but still I do not hate America. I do hate ignorance though. | ||
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MaZza[KIS]
Australia2110 Posts
GO ON AMERICA... Make an aircrash investigation regarding sept. 11. You've done it for other air crashes! | ||
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DTDominion
United States2148 Posts
On March 02 2006 14:47 Mynock wrote: Indeed, now my "shit" is a pile of ruins. A tragic day for me. I've been posted at in caps.  Oh, now my posts are difficult to understand too? See how it's necessary for you to try and juice things to a simple list so you can understand everything? Thanks for proving my point. But let me add a few points as well, in a convenient way, you will surely understand this: Who the fuck do you think you are, Freud? How could I have made that list unless I understood your words in the first place? Stop trying to read my mind please, because you suck at it. -I'm only implying the extreme of the US public's mental density due to the fact that it's mostly an American affair. Had this stuff been pulled anywhere else like Holland, Katmandu, Türgiz, whatever, I wouldn't hesitate to call those people short-sighted. In fact I do so right now, since when it comes to Europe or Asia the "big bad terrorists" explanation is still prevailent. Right but I personally don't believe this claim to be true in the context of this discussion. Stuff like Michael Moore's bowling for Columbine and Fahrenhiet 9/11 is eaten up by large segments of the population, if videos like Loose Change had any weight I have no doubt they would pick up too. -If you'd be so kind as to point where in my words have you ever read the implication "Bush=Hitler"... Ok, so you don't think Bush is exactly like Hitler. However you have insinuated that Bush basically allowed/planned 9/11 so that he could go on wars for profit, which is truely horribly evil. -I never made fun of no professor, I made fun of the ridiculous statement, it has never been uttered by a man with any elementary education for all I care... Bullshit, your own words say otherwise: This is supposedly said by "a professor of engineering at the University of California, San Diego". Now I don't know about US schools, but over here he couldn't possibly qualify as a janitor at our tech. uni, let alone enroll in one. You specifically attacked him. What I'm saying is that his credentials as a Proffesor don't matter since he made a statement you disagree with. But the credentials of the people who are skeptical of the official explanation are important because they agree with you. Basically you are selectively giving importance to credentials, which is sad. -On one account you're completely right: MyLostTemple, seriously, stop rambling ffs, you're not helping this topic any, thx. What's with all this caps and swearing anyway, you guys think it gets the point across? Heh I'm reluctant to support or refute anything about that video (yes, I said refute, for there are things I disagree with about that film, especially the presentation) due to the fact that it's comepletely in vain. This is not the first time this topic has been brought here, nor is it the last one. Right now I'm perfectly content that it's even circulating here. Those who are interested in it will watch it. Those not willing will not. You are not among the people I'd like to argue with and prove my point to, because I know it's useless, I've stated that many times now. But maybe some other people will, argue with them if you must. Just respect other possibilities please. -Mynock See, that's the thing, you're acting all enlightened about the situation but you refuse to argue anything related to it, instead you're just putting down the people who believe the official explanation as unable to critically think/etc. If you're going to act all high and might please debate this issue, I'll be glad to put effort into doing proper research/etc. to not sound like an idiot in return. But if all you're going to do is watch a video than act enlightened, than I refuse to waste my time acctually debating you unless it's something I can think of from the top of my head. The more effort you put in the more effort I put in, it's that simple. | ||
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Mr.Testie
973 Posts
It convinced me. Thus it's true. Why? Because I said so. End of debate. | ||
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DTDominion
United States2148 Posts
On March 02 2006 17:42 Mr.Testie wrote: I think the real point here is It convinced me. Thus it's true. Why? Because I said so. End of debate. http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-authority.html | ||
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HowitZer
United States1610 Posts
On March 02 2006 17:44 DTDominion wrote: http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-authority.html Who is the authority to which he is appealing? The video provides really good evidence without bias. It's really well done with music and transitions, but that's so it's not so boring. The evidence speaks for itself if you WATCH THE VIDEO which you clearly haven't. | ||
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-_-
United States7081 Posts
-On one account you're completely right: MyLostTemple, seriously, stop rambling ffs, you're not helping this topic any, thx. What's with all this caps and swearing anyway, you guys think it gets the point across? Don't talk about contributions, mynock. The only thing you've contributed to this thread is the word hamburger. But hey, it's not all bad! At least you contributed that about thirty times! | ||
Mynock
4492 Posts
On March 03 2006 04:43 -_- wrote: Don't talk about contributions, mynock. The only thing you've contributed to this thread is the word hamburger. But hey, it's not all bad! At least you contributed that about thirty times! I assume that's apart of the link to the video torrent... But it's all good. Look, *sigh*, what is there you don't understand? Contribution on "our side" consisted of pointing you to material with which you can learn more on the matter. Contribution on "your side" was more like... "moon hoax OMG" or "EVOLUTION IS NOT SCIENCE!!!!11". There is so much bullshit to debunk that it's tiring. Just a quick google search yields http://southerncrossreview.org/41/9-11.htm So what do you expect me to do, spend more time than I did answering a "quick google search"? (I actually did, yes, too much time spent already) You people expect and demand from me explanations and discussions, arguments by the magic of typing up a few words in the Google search bar? Please surface. And that's just matamata... you posts, -_-, were nothing more than insults, really, won't quote on those. Somehow you tend to read a lot more into my posts than what really is there. Where in the world did I ever say what it has been done for, or why it has been done this way, or - actually - what happened there in the first place. I only wanted to tell people, "hey, look, do you think things can happen like this?" Here for once, the matter is a much more simple one - you either see a glaring discrepancy or you don't. Be it as you wish, here, let's discuss one single aspect of the story: Official version: "Much of what happened on the plane (Flight 93) has been reconstructed from the many phone calls made by passengers and crew, mainly through mobile phones." Fact: Cell phones do not work on airplanes. Bummer. (http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/EmailNews30Jan2006_2.html) Take it whereever you want, see it as you may, anything I might add to it would just take from the sheer evidence of the fact. The official version is not true. It just isn't. Coz green isn't blue. It doesn't matter for now what's at the end of the line of "the true version", or any implications of how this might be interpreted. I see a plethora of evidence tends to just obscure the big picture, so let it suffice this tiny little fact right here. -Mynock | ||
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-_-
United States7081 Posts
And that's just matamata... you posts, -_-, were nothing more than insults, really, won't quote on those. No, they were not. You simply do not want to address the points I brought up. Of course I insulted you, mynock, you're a hate-mongering retard. But what I brought up was valid, and you cannot respond to it. I guess I am like distantvoice; I hate ignorance. Especially when it's self-inflicted. I know you read my stuff, so hopefully you learned something. | ||
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Mynock
4492 Posts
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-_-
United States7081 Posts
On March 03 2006 08:17 Mynock wrote: Ahhaha, wow, thx. That post made my day. -Mynock ahahhahaha pretending not to care is fun fun fun ^_^_^_^!!! :-)))!!! oOVVV!!!! (A man who really doesn't care about what another person says just doesn't respond. I gave you a shot to make one clear point besides "americans eat hamburgers" and you didn't. You're a little twat, and not worth a response. Enjoy your hate!!!) | ||
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rpf289
United States3524 Posts
I'm not even really sure why you're arguing. Someone who doesn't care about what someone said can still respond. The point you're making is idealistic bullshit. I don't care about this, yet I'm still responding. | ||
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Paragon
United States295 Posts
Serene, you contradict yourself in your response. I'm not even really sure why you're arguing. Someone who doesn't care about what someone said can still respond. The point you're making is idealistic bullshit. I don't care about this, yet I'm still responding. I don't like you either. | ||
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SolaR-
United States2686 Posts
This country was based on questioning the government and the power to hold in the people. These days this is not the case, most people in this country support this country without questioning, and fully support the government. Its human nature to lie, to deceive, and to aquire as much power as possible. The people are failing to act and regulate the government and this country will soon be failing as a democracy. note: i havent watch the whole video because im at school, all of my ramblings have been based on what ive read from nationalistic morons (-_-) | ||
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rpf289
United States3524 Posts
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rpf289
United States3524 Posts
On March 03 2006 12:46 CultureMisfits wrote: We know Bush lied about all of that. Actually, some general came forward at the beggining of the war on terror and denounced Bush. He was silenced pretty quickly, wasn't he? The CIA released a full report detailing that their intelligence was adulterated. That suspiciously disappeared as well. We know Bush is our president only in title. He has done nothing to lead us. He only lifts a finger to further himself, his family, and his closest friends.I am concerned why some people in this thread trust their government so much. Bush has already lied about weapons in iraq, not to mention other numerous events in iraq. What makes you guys think there is nothing being hidden from 9/11. I think there is a chance of what this video could be true and i find it ignorant to blow off the video completly. This is what is wrong with this country, most of us ignore what we find out of the ordinary. Maybe what this video says is not true but there is obviously something the government is lying about. The government is hiding too much from this disaster, the uneeded war with iraq and the fact we are the number one country and the world and we could not capture one man (osma bin laden) This should concern you all, but some of you seem to defend your government with the strongest passion. On March 03 2006 12:46 CultureMisfits wrote: We will soon be failing? We began to fail as soon as we lowered taxes and raised public services. That is entirely contradictory. In order to raise public services, you have to raise taxes. Now, we're one billion dollars in debt every two days. China, thank you for keeping our economy somewhat alive. This country will fail as a nation. Time is the only thing I'm concerned about.This country was based on questioning the government and the power to hold in the people. These days this is not the case, most people in this country support this country without questioning, and fully support the government. Its human nature to lie, to deceive, and to aquire as much power as possible. The people are failing to act and regulate the government and this country will soon be failing as a democracy. On March 03 2006 12:46 CultureMisfits wrote: Hitler and the Nazis were highly nationalistic.note: i havent watch the whole video because im at school, all of my ramblings have been based on what ive read from nationalistic morons (-_-) By the way, I'd like to point out that the population of people who support the U.S. government adamently are those who voted for Bush. I support my military, separate of the Commander in Chief. George Washington would piss himself if he were alive to see what has become of his successors. Bush is a disgrace to the American nation, and its people. Just because the majority follows one ideology doesn't mean it's right. Doctor Stockmann, anyone? I hope Bush is able to finish the remainder of his term peacefully, and without incident. I also hope the next president is capable of not intruding on our civil rights, as well as not using terrorist (read: self-inflicted) "attacks" to his advantage to further his own agenda. | ||
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SolaR-
United States2686 Posts
"We will soon be failing? We began to fail as soon as we lowered taxes and raised public services. That is entirely contradictory. In order to raise public services, you have to raise taxes. Now, we're one billion dollars in debt every two days. China, thank you for keeping our economy somewhat alive. This country will fail as a nation. Time is the only thing I'm concerned about." i meant freedom for the people not economics | ||
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-_-
United States7081 Posts
rpf: you're wrong in just about everything you've ever said about anything that ever existed for any amount of time. If you want to ignore me, you have my blessing! Just don't say I contradict myself, when you say you don't care about what I say, and then contradict yourself by posting about it. Oh, and don't be like that little dodging fazant who tries to bring up the past to insult me, and ends up just making an ass of himself. | ||
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decafchicken
United States20176 Posts
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