EPTLance Armstrong to lose Titles, Banned - Page 29
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Fabozi
Slovakia336 Posts
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Jarree
Finland1004 Posts
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radiatoren
Denmark1907 Posts
On August 25 2012 21:14 Fabozi wrote: how far can this investigations go? I'm not saying its ok to dope but the winners that will get the titles from Armstrong were probably doping as well. Take for example Zulle who has even admitted to doping. Will anybody do the same kind of investigation on the new winners? I am not sure a new winner gets appointed. AFAIK they wanted tp ban Bjarne Riis because he admitted to doping. The problem was that the rest of top 5 had already been caught. They settled on not having an "official" winner for the 1996 Tour de France. In reality it has absolutely no meaning. As far as price money: It is a tradition that the winner gives away all of his earning from winning the tour to his teammates. He will more than make up for it by the amount he will get for participating in invitation tours. Therefore it is a bit unfair to try and get the money back from his winning (I am not even sure, that is possible legally?). The punishment on Lance Armstrong is the hardest they can dish out, but in reality it does not mean much for Armstrong except for image maybe. He is too old to compete and that makes it pretty unimportant. All, that is happening is him trying to avoid loosing more image than necessary. I would, however, argue that the witchhunt is conducted just as much by Armstrong himself in trying to discredit USADA as much as possible as the other way around. He is using every trick in their playbook to make them look bad. | ||
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WightyCity
Canada887 Posts
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Velr
Switzerland10924 Posts
On August 25 2012 21:14 Fabozi wrote: how far can this investigations go? I'm not saying its ok to dope but the winners that will get the titles from Armstrong were probably doping as well. Take for example Zulle who has even admitted to doping. Will anybody do the same kind of investigation on the new winners? No Idea. Zülle stated that he does not want the title anymore and they should just donate the price money to some charity. | ||
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Dbars
United States273 Posts
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Silidons
United States2813 Posts
the only reason they went after lance is because he is the most popular. kinda like going after mark mcguire/barry bonds/roger clemens etc | ||
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Jarree
Finland1004 Posts
On August 25 2012 22:26 Silidons wrote: i saw on the news that every single top 2nd & 3rd place on all 7 of his titles also failed their tests multiple times, so they have no idea who they're going to give the titles to. the only reason they went after lance is because he is the most popular. kinda like going after mark mcguire/barry bonds/roger clemens etc ![[image loading]](http://www.cyclingtipsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/armstrong1150px.jpg) As you can see in this picture, pretty much everyone has busted. | ||
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Skilledblob
Germany3392 Posts
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NKexquisite
United States911 Posts
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Paperplane
Netherlands1823 Posts
On August 25 2012 22:47 Jarree wrote: As you can see in this picture, pretty much everyone has busted. Oh man. I knew there was a lot of doping in cycling but never thought it was that bad Oo | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On August 25 2012 23:54 NKexquisite wrote: UDADA apparently has never heard "innocent until proven guilty"... What drug test did he fail again? None!! Uh, yes he failed tests. Saying otherwise doesn't change the course of history. blood samples from him in 2009 and 2010 that were "fully consistent with blood manipulation including EPO use and/or blood transfusions". "As in every USADA case, all named individuals are presumed innocent of the allegations unless and until proven otherwise through the established legal process." http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/18435771 | ||
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zev318
Canada4306 Posts
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kroko
Finland2136 Posts
Pic of Tour de France standings of recent years. The grey ones are confirmed dopers. For me this sport is dead, untill big clean up. And yes, Lance was doper too, u r naive if u think otherwise. Let me remind you Marion Jones never gave positive doping sample  Edit: ah didnt read the last page... My bad ... | ||
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Fallen33
United States596 Posts
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gillon
Sweden1578 Posts
On August 24 2012 12:15 TommyP wrote: But why would he tarnish his name and give up his achievements if he didnt do it? I mean its cool hes saying that he didnt do it and was just tired of being bugged, but honestly if you win 7 tour de france titles and have a great legacy you dont give it up for any reason. Read the goddamn article. He says that he's been hassled by this witch hunt for over a decade and that it's taken it's toll on both him and his family and that 'enough is enough'. | ||
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Severedevil
United States4839 Posts
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nanoscorp
United States1237 Posts
On August 25 2012 23:07 Skilledblob wrote: almost everybody is doped in cycling. And really what choice do they have? If they made the courses shorter and actually manageble for a non doped human being then I am sure doping will drop as well. It isn't just the courses that are at fault. The overall focus on the very few riders at the top is to blame as well. There's a huge difference in terms of payout for top1 vs top10 vs the rest of the field. Shorten the courses and there would still be an advantage to be gained from doping. If you want to get on the podium, you dope. If you want to get lucrative ad contracts, you dope. I raged at this year's TdF coverage for how little emphasis they placed on the team competition, their chance to highlight some of the other guys out there on the road. Whose times were they counting? Were there any heroic efforts to hang on to the peloton after setting the pace all day? What is it like to finish off the back of the pack after working your ass off all day? If you're not a stage winner or GC contender, there's very little attention paid to your rides. | ||
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Gendi2545
South Africa50 Posts
On August 24 2012 12:05 Verator wrote: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/usada-strip-lance-armstrong-7-tour-de-france-titles-ban-him-cycling-life or ESPN, for more of a story: http://espn.go.com/olympics/cycling/story/_/id/8298135/usada-ban-lance-armstrong-life-strip-seven-tour-de-france-titles-charges-used-performance-enhancing-drugs-unprecedented-cycling-career Personally, I don't see how he could lose the lawsuit, even if he was. Its also fairly ridiculous the lengths they're going to get a conviction, harassing him for over a decade. Regardless if he did or not, its still a huge accomplishment, and they couldn't convict while he was competing. Any conviction now is just spite or greed. EDIT: Lance's Personal Statement: http://lancearmstrong.com/news-events/lance-armstongs-statement-of-august-23-2012 Good to see his heart's in the right place with raising all that money to fight cancer, but I wonder if he's ever bothered asking what the survival rate is for cancer victims treated in the hospitals. It's not a question that gets asked often by these fund raisers lol. | ||
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[F_]aths
Germany3947 Posts
On August 24 2012 14:37 darthfoley wrote: this infuriates me so fucking much. how many fucking tests do you have to pass under the most INTENSE scrutiny before you're fucking innocent? of course he's tired of fighting bullshit claims by floyd landis (a prick) and tyler hamilton (a double prick). USADA is a joke as is its investigation. before retards say i'm an armstrong lover, my favorite cyclist of all time is Jan Ullrich. If that doesn't mean anything to you, then you have no right to comment on shit Jan Ullrich comes from the same town where I am from. Still, I am not a fan because he doped. There is a story where he waited once after Armstrong fell over, he didn't use this chance to get a lead and win over Armstrong. While this shows some character, the doping does not. | ||
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