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R1CH
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Netherlands10341 Posts
September 21 2016 13:17 GMT
#1241
Google also stores everything, even deleted messages.

http://www.theverge.com/2016/9/21/12994362/allo-privacy-message-logs-google
AdministratorTwitter: @R1CH_TL
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15736 Posts
September 21 2016 13:23 GMT
#1242
RIP Allo. Dead before it lived. Google making a choice not to support SMS, yet again, is truly saddening. They'll never learn, will they?
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-21 13:27:15
September 21 2016 13:26 GMT
#1243
Yeah this release has turned into a dumpster fire rather quickly. Granted the majority of the world doesn't use SMS but there isn't a SMS fallback, limited to 1 device, doesn't go through your phone# rather goes through Google servers, no notifications, and no web client.

Like a worldwide beta test for Google's AI team. Or more likely an internal power struggle at Google as there are now four messaging apps Hangouts, Allo, Duo, and Messaging.

What project manager okay'd this?
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15736 Posts
September 21 2016 13:30 GMT
#1244
On September 21 2016 22:26 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:

What project manager okay'd this?


This is where I'm at. I need 3 different apps to accomplish what imessage does. It is complete madness. Probably just getting an iphone to replace my 6P.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 21 2016 13:38 GMT
#1245
They should have spent another year just combining Allo, Duo, and Hangouts together while planning a possible phasing out of SMS all together. Or something.

If the best days are truly past Google then it sucks as i have hundreds of movies and music bought through the play store. And I'll be damned if lose them all if I switch to Apple.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15736 Posts
September 21 2016 13:51 GMT
#1246
On September 21 2016 22:38 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
They should have spent another year just combining Allo, Duo, and Hangouts together while planning a possible phasing out of SMS all together. Or something.


The really weird thing is, I don't think they want to. I don't think they want a single, unified app. No fucking idea why, but it really seems to be the case.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18213 Posts
September 21 2016 13:59 GMT
#1247
On September 21 2016 21:00 R1CH wrote:
No end-to-end encryption by default is pretty sad.

Agreed. I prefer end-to-end encryption than those silly @google functions. If I wanted to talk to google now, I would ask google now directly, not allo.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 21 2016 14:34 GMT
#1248


"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15736 Posts
September 21 2016 14:47 GMT
#1249
Wow, so utterly misguided. Hello, iOS. Probably gonna pick up a 6S once the 7 lands.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 21 2016 14:49 GMT
#1250
Don't worry in a few months, if that, Justin Uberti will have left Google to work on "other projects".
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15736 Posts
September 21 2016 14:52 GMT
#1251
On September 21 2016 23:49 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Don't worry in a few months, if that, Justin Uberti will have left Google to work on "other projects".


In one of his tweet replies, he told someone that "the home screen makes it easier to switch between apps rather than to do things within apps" or something to that degree. What in the world is this guy even talking about. This man would remove my headphone jack. But he wouldn't stop there. He'd get rid of my volume buttons too.
Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12240 Posts
September 21 2016 16:18 GMT
#1252
Having spoken with friends and coworkers who have worked at Google, the culture there is really a microcosm of the free-market economy. Teams are encouraged to compete against each other so that the best ideas get funding and backing (as with anything). It sounds fine and interesting until you realize that there's limited internal collaboration which means each team can only push their product so far. The reason Google has its tendrils in a million different ventures is because internal teams are trying to carve out niches for themselves and they're competing against other teams to do it.
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15736 Posts
September 21 2016 16:34 GMT
#1253
On September 22 2016 01:18 Excalibur_Z wrote:
Having spoken with friends and coworkers who have worked at Google, the culture there is really a microcosm of the free-market economy. Teams are encouraged to compete against each other so that the best ideas get funding and backing (as with anything). It sounds fine and interesting until you realize that there's limited internal collaboration which means each team can only push their product so far. The reason Google has its tendrils in a million different ventures is because internal teams are trying to carve out niches for themselves and they're competing against other teams to do it.

This makes sense, but it also calls into question: Why no SMS? Android users just want iMessage. Google is making a pretty awful ecosystem and I see no reason to stay within it.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 21 2016 16:43 GMT
#1254
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
September 21 2016 17:30 GMT
#1255
its v1 ? how is that an excuse

Apple nailed iMessage about 5.5 years ago, honestly Google is pretty awful overall nowadays, they cant even update their own Nexus phones in time, seems like they are going backwards lately

But dont worry because 7.1 will be even more colorful so who cares about other stuff
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18213 Posts
September 21 2016 19:10 GMT
#1256
On September 22 2016 02:30 Faruko wrote:
its v1 ? how is that an excuse

Apple nailed iMessage about 5.5 years ago, honestly Google is pretty awful overall nowadays, they cant even update their own Nexus phones in time, seems like they are going backwards lately

But dont worry because 7.1 will be even more colorful so who cares about other stuff

That tweet pr was pretty awful, and allo in general seems just plain bad, but I have a nexus 6p, and have to say the OS is miles better without the stupid "additions" that I got on my previous phones (Samsung and Asus). The slight delay in the nougat roll out is not really an issue for me. Honestly, I was fine with KitKat. Since then each version feels very similar.
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-22 00:15:43
September 21 2016 21:34 GMT
#1257
Idk Android team in google is incredibly incompetent.

Android N has been a trainwreck of a release, Nexus 6 owners (yes, the flagship from last year) have yet to recieve the update. Fast updates, my ass... Theres battery issues all over 6p and 5x owners.

Release GOOD apps and kill them for no particular reason, my tracks and google reader, for example. Yet shit like allo gets greenlight and pushed lol.

Material Design is beatiful, yet not even google knows how to use it.

Pixel launcher looks incredinly meh and not "simple" at all.

A shit ton of stuff is super hidden, like google now on tap or wakelocks.
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18213 Posts
September 21 2016 21:59 GMT
#1258
Yeah. Not impressed at all with the battery life of my Nexus 6p (but is that Google or Huawei's fault? Or mine, for believing the reviews, despite the ridiculous screen size & resolution?). Also, I just updated to Nougat today, so whatever the problem with that was seems fixed.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 21 2016 22:39 GMT
#1259
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 22 2016 04:45 GMT
#1260
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
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