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On July 12 2012 23:23 slappy wrote:
I think someone already stated this in here, but shouldn't we be worried when big corporations are fighting ethical battles? It's just a big advertising campaign for them I think, unless Google's CEO is gay
I think we should be worried about other things big companies are doing...and yes this is supposed to give them some good exposure with a given public.
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On July 12 2012 23:53 bblack wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 23:30 Joedaddy wrote:On July 12 2012 22:37 sc2superfan101 wrote:
i think Google needs to be less political. Agreed. From a business stand point, wouldn't it make more sense to remain neutral on polarizing subjects like this? I'm only one consumer, but I'm now considering changing to Bing and removing chrome. As has been stated before, among young people (=most internet users, especially when looking ahead) people with anti-gay feeling as you are becoming more and more rare. So this stance should appeal to the majority of their possible users. Also, you would have to stop using your Android phone, Google, Chrome, Gmail, YouTube, Maps, Earth, etc.. Most people won't do that. People who are so undeveloped that they think gay marriage is a bad thing probably won't know all of these services belong to Google anyway, so they'll take even less losses. Besides, you can bet Google has considered the business standpoint, and disagrees with you 
Wow! Google owns soooo much stuff. Anywho~ not really fair to label people who don't agree with gay marriage as "underdeveloped." There are a large number of people in this world who are well educated and hold power who don't support gay marriage. If it weren't so, then this wouldn't even be a debate. Let's not resort to name calling just because someone disagrees with us
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On July 13 2012 03:56 Joedaddy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 23:53 bblack wrote:On July 12 2012 23:30 Joedaddy wrote:On July 12 2012 22:37 sc2superfan101 wrote:
i think Google needs to be less political. Agreed. From a business stand point, wouldn't it make more sense to remain neutral on polarizing subjects like this? I'm only one consumer, but I'm now considering changing to Bing and removing chrome. As has been stated before, among young people (=most internet users, especially when looking ahead) people with anti-gay feeling as you are becoming more and more rare. So this stance should appeal to the majority of their possible users. Also, you would have to stop using your Android phone, Google, Chrome, Gmail, YouTube, Maps, Earth, etc.. Most people won't do that. People who are so undeveloped that they think gay marriage is a bad thing probably won't know all of these services belong to Google anyway, so they'll take even less losses. Besides, you can bet Google has considered the business standpoint, and disagrees with you Wow! Google owns soooo much stuff. Anywho~ not really fair to label people who don't agree with gay marriage as "underdeveloped." There are a large number of people in this world who are well educated and hold power who don't support gay marriage. If it weren't so, then this wouldn't even be a debate. Let's not resort to name calling just because someone disagrees with us
As a Christian I don't believe I'n same-sex marriage. According to the bible marriage Is a holy union between a man and a woman. That doesn't make me undeveloped. Anyways this won't make me stop using google products.
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On July 13 2012 04:04 MindBreaker wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 03:56 Joedaddy wrote:On July 12 2012 23:53 bblack wrote:On July 12 2012 23:30 Joedaddy wrote:On July 12 2012 22:37 sc2superfan101 wrote:
i think Google needs to be less political. Agreed. From a business stand point, wouldn't it make more sense to remain neutral on polarizing subjects like this? I'm only one consumer, but I'm now considering changing to Bing and removing chrome. As has been stated before, among young people (=most internet users, especially when looking ahead) people with anti-gay feeling as you are becoming more and more rare. So this stance should appeal to the majority of their possible users. Also, you would have to stop using your Android phone, Google, Chrome, Gmail, YouTube, Maps, Earth, etc.. Most people won't do that. People who are so undeveloped that they think gay marriage is a bad thing probably won't know all of these services belong to Google anyway, so they'll take even less losses. Besides, you can bet Google has considered the business standpoint, and disagrees with you Wow! Google owns soooo much stuff. Anywho~ not really fair to label people who don't agree with gay marriage as "underdeveloped." There are a large number of people in this world who are well educated and hold power who don't support gay marriage. If it weren't so, then this wouldn't even be a debate. Let's not resort to name calling just because someone disagrees with us As a Christian I don't believe I'n same-sex marriage. According to the bible marriage Is a holy union between a man and a woman. That doesn't make me undeveloped. Anyways this won't make me stop using google products.
It at very least makes you undeveloped in the sense that you aren't able to grasp the idea that your belief is one of thousands and that yours shouldn't have any more influence over other's as theirs should over yours.
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On July 13 2012 04:04 MindBreaker wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 03:56 Joedaddy wrote:On July 12 2012 23:53 bblack wrote:On July 12 2012 23:30 Joedaddy wrote:On July 12 2012 22:37 sc2superfan101 wrote:
i think Google needs to be less political. Agreed. From a business stand point, wouldn't it make more sense to remain neutral on polarizing subjects like this? I'm only one consumer, but I'm now considering changing to Bing and removing chrome. As has been stated before, among young people (=most internet users, especially when looking ahead) people with anti-gay feeling as you are becoming more and more rare. So this stance should appeal to the majority of their possible users. Also, you would have to stop using your Android phone, Google, Chrome, Gmail, YouTube, Maps, Earth, etc.. Most people won't do that. People who are so undeveloped that they think gay marriage is a bad thing probably won't know all of these services belong to Google anyway, so they'll take even less losses. Besides, you can bet Google has considered the business standpoint, and disagrees with you Wow! Google owns soooo much stuff. Anywho~ not really fair to label people who don't agree with gay marriage as "underdeveloped." There are a large number of people in this world who are well educated and hold power who don't support gay marriage. If it weren't so, then this wouldn't even be a debate. Let's not resort to name calling just because someone disagrees with us As a Christian I don't believe I'n same-sex marriage. According to the bible marriage Is a holy union between a man and a woman. That doesn't make me undeveloped. Anyways this won't make me stop using google products.
I can deal with citing a 2000 1967 year old book but please say what you mean. When you say you don't believe in gay marriage your wrong, cause I'm pretty sure it exist. I think what you mean to say is that gay marriage is not ethical? I'm not sure please clarify.
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On July 13 2012 04:22 AdamBanks wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 04:04 MindBreaker wrote:On July 13 2012 03:56 Joedaddy wrote:On July 12 2012 23:53 bblack wrote:On July 12 2012 23:30 Joedaddy wrote:On July 12 2012 22:37 sc2superfan101 wrote:
i think Google needs to be less political. Agreed. From a business stand point, wouldn't it make more sense to remain neutral on polarizing subjects like this? I'm only one consumer, but I'm now considering changing to Bing and removing chrome. As has been stated before, among young people (=most internet users, especially when looking ahead) people with anti-gay feeling as you are becoming more and more rare. So this stance should appeal to the majority of their possible users. Also, you would have to stop using your Android phone, Google, Chrome, Gmail, YouTube, Maps, Earth, etc.. Most people won't do that. People who are so undeveloped that they think gay marriage is a bad thing probably won't know all of these services belong to Google anyway, so they'll take even less losses. Besides, you can bet Google has considered the business standpoint, and disagrees with you Wow! Google owns soooo much stuff. Anywho~ not really fair to label people who don't agree with gay marriage as "underdeveloped." There are a large number of people in this world who are well educated and hold power who don't support gay marriage. If it weren't so, then this wouldn't even be a debate. Let's not resort to name calling just because someone disagrees with us As a Christian I don't believe I'n same-sex marriage. According to the bible marriage Is a holy union between a man and a woman. That doesn't make me undeveloped. Anyways this won't make me stop using google products. I can deal with citing a 2000 year old book but please say what you mean. When you say you don't believe in gay marriage your wrong, cause I'm pretty sure it exist. I think what you mean to say is that gay marriage is not ethical? I'm not sure please clarify.
I can only speak for myself but....
Obviously Gay marriage "exists," but as a Christian I believe that having physical/sexual relations with someone of the same sex is immoral, against God, and a sin. If you ever hear me say "I don't believe in gay marriage," that is what I mean.
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On July 11 2012 16:51 Felwarrior wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2012 08:10 sereniity wrote:On July 09 2012 07:57 Felwarrior wrote:
Sad day... google just lost a lot of my respect D:
Say what you wish... but until 2 men alone on an island can give birth to a newborn baby or 2 woman alone on an island can give birth to a newborn baby (with no prior or post modifications or additions to their own newborn state)... until that happens I don't think condoning their position improves our global society.
Call me what you like, bash whatever I say... but the truth stands out on it's own.
Edit:: and no, this doesn't mean to treat those with this challenge like idiots or ostracize them in anyway... I have gay/lesb friends and I don't treat them any different than any of my straight friends. So what's your stance on sterile people? Why are they allowed to get married then? That's unfortunate that they are sterile... I don't know if it was a birth defect or something happened in their life that removed their ability to have literal offspring, but that is unfortunate. As far as my example is concerned it needs to be taken in a more general sense (meaning the higher probability... not being sterile). If all the world came to an end and the only 2 too survive were a man and a woman on an island but one was sterile... well that just sucks. But my example still stands... so far the man & man or woman & woman have not had a baby together in the circumstances set within my example (according to my knowledge... which is very small compared to the grand scheme of things... if i'm wrong i'll gladly take any proof of my example being a reality and mend my ways).
So basically, you back up your argument with "just cause". You have not added anything to show that your viewpoint is consistent and as such it is basically invalid. If gay people can't get married because they can't have children, then neither should sterile people be able to.
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On July 13 2012 04:28 Joedaddy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 04:22 AdamBanks wrote:On July 13 2012 04:04 MindBreaker wrote:On July 13 2012 03:56 Joedaddy wrote:On July 12 2012 23:53 bblack wrote:On July 12 2012 23:30 Joedaddy wrote:On July 12 2012 22:37 sc2superfan101 wrote:
i think Google needs to be less political. Agreed. From a business stand point, wouldn't it make more sense to remain neutral on polarizing subjects like this? I'm only one consumer, but I'm now considering changing to Bing and removing chrome. As has been stated before, among young people (=most internet users, especially when looking ahead) people with anti-gay feeling as you are becoming more and more rare. So this stance should appeal to the majority of their possible users. Also, you would have to stop using your Android phone, Google, Chrome, Gmail, YouTube, Maps, Earth, etc.. Most people won't do that. People who are so undeveloped that they think gay marriage is a bad thing probably won't know all of these services belong to Google anyway, so they'll take even less losses. Besides, you can bet Google has considered the business standpoint, and disagrees with you Wow! Google owns soooo much stuff. Anywho~ not really fair to label people who don't agree with gay marriage as "underdeveloped." There are a large number of people in this world who are well educated and hold power who don't support gay marriage. If it weren't so, then this wouldn't even be a debate. Let's not resort to name calling just because someone disagrees with us As a Christian I don't believe I'n same-sex marriage. According to the bible marriage Is a holy union between a man and a woman. That doesn't make me undeveloped. Anyways this won't make me stop using google products. I can deal with citing a 2000 year old book but please say what you mean. When you say you don't believe in gay marriage your wrong, cause I'm pretty sure it exist. I think what you mean to say is that gay marriage is not ethical? I'm not sure please clarify. I can only speak for myself but.... Obviously Gay marriage "exists," but as a Christian I believe that having physical/sexual relations with someone of the same sex is immoral, against God, and a sin. If you ever hear me say "I don't believe in gay marriage," that is what I mean.
As a rational human being I believe that your point of view is barbaric, against reason, and evil. I don't believe in Christians like you.
Also the whole ''as a Christian'' bit, is presumptuous. Plenty of Christians are not against gay marriage and plenty of Christian churches will wed homesexuals. ''As a fundamentalist Christian'' would be more accurate.
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On July 13 2012 04:04 MindBreaker wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 03:56 Joedaddy wrote:On July 12 2012 23:53 bblack wrote:On July 12 2012 23:30 Joedaddy wrote:On July 12 2012 22:37 sc2superfan101 wrote:
i think Google needs to be less political. Agreed. From a business stand point, wouldn't it make more sense to remain neutral on polarizing subjects like this? I'm only one consumer, but I'm now considering changing to Bing and removing chrome. As has been stated before, among young people (=most internet users, especially when looking ahead) people with anti-gay feeling as you are becoming more and more rare. So this stance should appeal to the majority of their possible users. Also, you would have to stop using your Android phone, Google, Chrome, Gmail, YouTube, Maps, Earth, etc.. Most people won't do that. People who are so undeveloped that they think gay marriage is a bad thing probably won't know all of these services belong to Google anyway, so they'll take even less losses. Besides, you can bet Google has considered the business standpoint, and disagrees with you Wow! Google owns soooo much stuff. Anywho~ not really fair to label people who don't agree with gay marriage as "underdeveloped." There are a large number of people in this world who are well educated and hold power who don't support gay marriage. If it weren't so, then this wouldn't even be a debate. Let's not resort to name calling just because someone disagrees with us As a Christian I don't believe I'n same-sex marriage. According to the bible marriage Is a holy union between a man and a woman. That doesn't make me undeveloped. Anyways this won't make me stop using google products.
The bible says a lot of ridiculous shit that no one takes seriously anymore. Gay marriage should be included in that.
ex: If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.
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On July 13 2012 04:39 Crushinator wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 04:28 Joedaddy wrote:On July 13 2012 04:22 AdamBanks wrote:On July 13 2012 04:04 MindBreaker wrote:On July 13 2012 03:56 Joedaddy wrote:On July 12 2012 23:53 bblack wrote:On July 12 2012 23:30 Joedaddy wrote:On July 12 2012 22:37 sc2superfan101 wrote:
i think Google needs to be less political. Agreed. From a business stand point, wouldn't it make more sense to remain neutral on polarizing subjects like this? I'm only one consumer, but I'm now considering changing to Bing and removing chrome. As has been stated before, among young people (=most internet users, especially when looking ahead) people with anti-gay feeling as you are becoming more and more rare. So this stance should appeal to the majority of their possible users. Also, you would have to stop using your Android phone, Google, Chrome, Gmail, YouTube, Maps, Earth, etc.. Most people won't do that. People who are so undeveloped that they think gay marriage is a bad thing probably won't know all of these services belong to Google anyway, so they'll take even less losses. Besides, you can bet Google has considered the business standpoint, and disagrees with you Wow! Google owns soooo much stuff. Anywho~ not really fair to label people who don't agree with gay marriage as "underdeveloped." There are a large number of people in this world who are well educated and hold power who don't support gay marriage. If it weren't so, then this wouldn't even be a debate. Let's not resort to name calling just because someone disagrees with us As a Christian I don't believe I'n same-sex marriage. According to the bible marriage Is a holy union between a man and a woman. That doesn't make me undeveloped. Anyways this won't make me stop using google products. I can deal with citing a 2000 year old book but please say what you mean. When you say you don't believe in gay marriage your wrong, cause I'm pretty sure it exist. I think what you mean to say is that gay marriage is not ethical? I'm not sure please clarify. I can only speak for myself but.... Obviously Gay marriage "exists," but as a Christian I believe that having physical/sexual relations with someone of the same sex is immoral, against God, and a sin. If you ever hear me say "I don't believe in gay marriage," that is what I mean. As a rational human being I believe that your point of view is barbaric, against reason, and evil. I don't believe in Christians like you.
that's mean. 
Also the whole ''as a Christian'' bit, is presumptuous. Plenty of Christians are not against gay marriage and plenty of Christian churches will wed homesexuals. ''As a fundamentalist Christian'' would be more accurate.
one doesn't have to be a fundamentalist christian to believe that gay-marriage is not ethical. and it is a minority of christians that support it and an even smaller minority of churches that will perform homosexual marriages. and i think his point was that his christianity is the reason he does not support it. now, i guess one could argue that christianity doesn't necessarily mean "no gay marriage" but at the same time, a lot of denominations, that is what it means. i don't think it's presumptuous to explain that your christianity is what makes you not support it.
edit: woooah... reading over that last page, that chaos guy was a fucking nutball. i rly hate it when people take a position i hold and then act like a fucking idiot.
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On July 13 2012 04:28 Joedaddy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 04:22 AdamBanks wrote:On July 13 2012 04:04 MindBreaker wrote:On July 13 2012 03:56 Joedaddy wrote:On July 12 2012 23:53 bblack wrote:On July 12 2012 23:30 Joedaddy wrote:On July 12 2012 22:37 sc2superfan101 wrote:
i think Google needs to be less political. Agreed. From a business stand point, wouldn't it make more sense to remain neutral on polarizing subjects like this? I'm only one consumer, but I'm now considering changing to Bing and removing chrome. As has been stated before, among young people (=most internet users, especially when looking ahead) people with anti-gay feeling as you are becoming more and more rare. So this stance should appeal to the majority of their possible users. Also, you would have to stop using your Android phone, Google, Chrome, Gmail, YouTube, Maps, Earth, etc.. Most people won't do that. People who are so undeveloped that they think gay marriage is a bad thing probably won't know all of these services belong to Google anyway, so they'll take even less losses. Besides, you can bet Google has considered the business standpoint, and disagrees with you Wow! Google owns soooo much stuff. Anywho~ not really fair to label people who don't agree with gay marriage as "underdeveloped." There are a large number of people in this world who are well educated and hold power who don't support gay marriage. If it weren't so, then this wouldn't even be a debate. Let's not resort to name calling just because someone disagrees with us As a Christian I don't believe I'n same-sex marriage. According to the bible marriage Is a holy union between a man and a woman. That doesn't make me undeveloped. Anyways this won't make me stop using google products. I can deal with citing a 2000 year old book but please say what you mean. When you say you don't believe in gay marriage your wrong, cause I'm pretty sure it exist. I think what you mean to say is that gay marriage is not ethical? I'm not sure please clarify. I can only speak for myself but.... Obviously Gay marriage "exists," but as a Christian I believe that having physical/sexual relations with someone of the same sex is immoral, against God, and a sin. If you ever hear me say "I don't believe in gay marriage," that is what I mean.
Why is it a sin? As has been mentioned there are a fuckton of 'sins' in the bible and you're just cherry-picking. Homosexuality is just as much a 'sin' as working on the Sabbath or rebelling against your parents.
Also, if your only justification for condemning gay marriage is "it's in the bible lul" then you must realize how little that means. Believe what you want, but don't meddle in the affairs of consenting adults who deserve the same rights as everyone else.
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On July 13 2012 04:39 Crushinator wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 04:28 Joedaddy wrote:On July 13 2012 04:22 AdamBanks wrote:On July 13 2012 04:04 MindBreaker wrote:On July 13 2012 03:56 Joedaddy wrote:On July 12 2012 23:53 bblack wrote:On July 12 2012 23:30 Joedaddy wrote:On July 12 2012 22:37 sc2superfan101 wrote:
i think Google needs to be less political. Agreed. From a business stand point, wouldn't it make more sense to remain neutral on polarizing subjects like this? I'm only one consumer, but I'm now considering changing to Bing and removing chrome. As has been stated before, among young people (=most internet users, especially when looking ahead) people with anti-gay feeling as you are becoming more and more rare. So this stance should appeal to the majority of their possible users. Also, you would have to stop using your Android phone, Google, Chrome, Gmail, YouTube, Maps, Earth, etc.. Most people won't do that. People who are so undeveloped that they think gay marriage is a bad thing probably won't know all of these services belong to Google anyway, so they'll take even less losses. Besides, you can bet Google has considered the business standpoint, and disagrees with you Wow! Google owns soooo much stuff. Anywho~ not really fair to label people who don't agree with gay marriage as "underdeveloped." There are a large number of people in this world who are well educated and hold power who don't support gay marriage. If it weren't so, then this wouldn't even be a debate. Let's not resort to name calling just because someone disagrees with us As a Christian I don't believe I'n same-sex marriage. According to the bible marriage Is a holy union between a man and a woman. That doesn't make me undeveloped. Anyways this won't make me stop using google products. I can deal with citing a 2000 year old book but please say what you mean. When you say you don't believe in gay marriage your wrong, cause I'm pretty sure it exist. I think what you mean to say is that gay marriage is not ethical? I'm not sure please clarify. I can only speak for myself but.... Obviously Gay marriage "exists," but as a Christian I believe that having physical/sexual relations with someone of the same sex is immoral, against God, and a sin. If you ever hear me say "I don't believe in gay marriage," that is what I mean. As a rational human being I believe that your point of view is barbaric, against reason, and evil. I don't believe in Christians like you. Also the whole ''as a Christian'' bit, is presumptuous. Plenty of Christians are not against gay marriage and plenty of Christian churches will wed homesexuals. ''As a fundamentalist Christian'' would be more accurate.
You sound bitter and angry, and I don't know why. Maybe I'm misinterpreting the tone of your post~
Someone asked for clarification about "I don't believe in gay marriage." So I clarified. I don't think aggressive posting from either side of this debate is beneficial.
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On July 13 2012 04:44 sc2superfan101 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 04:39 Crushinator wrote:On July 13 2012 04:28 Joedaddy wrote:On July 13 2012 04:22 AdamBanks wrote:On July 13 2012 04:04 MindBreaker wrote:On July 13 2012 03:56 Joedaddy wrote:On July 12 2012 23:53 bblack wrote:On July 12 2012 23:30 Joedaddy wrote:On July 12 2012 22:37 sc2superfan101 wrote:
i think Google needs to be less political. Agreed. From a business stand point, wouldn't it make more sense to remain neutral on polarizing subjects like this? I'm only one consumer, but I'm now considering changing to Bing and removing chrome. As has been stated before, among young people (=most internet users, especially when looking ahead) people with anti-gay feeling as you are becoming more and more rare. So this stance should appeal to the majority of their possible users. Also, you would have to stop using your Android phone, Google, Chrome, Gmail, YouTube, Maps, Earth, etc.. Most people won't do that. People who are so undeveloped that they think gay marriage is a bad thing probably won't know all of these services belong to Google anyway, so they'll take even less losses. Besides, you can bet Google has considered the business standpoint, and disagrees with you Wow! Google owns soooo much stuff. Anywho~ not really fair to label people who don't agree with gay marriage as "underdeveloped." There are a large number of people in this world who are well educated and hold power who don't support gay marriage. If it weren't so, then this wouldn't even be a debate. Let's not resort to name calling just because someone disagrees with us As a Christian I don't believe I'n same-sex marriage. According to the bible marriage Is a holy union between a man and a woman. That doesn't make me undeveloped. Anyways this won't make me stop using google products. I can deal with citing a 2000 year old book but please say what you mean. When you say you don't believe in gay marriage your wrong, cause I'm pretty sure it exist. I think what you mean to say is that gay marriage is not ethical? I'm not sure please clarify. I can only speak for myself but.... Obviously Gay marriage "exists," but as a Christian I believe that having physical/sexual relations with someone of the same sex is immoral, against God, and a sin. If you ever hear me say "I don't believe in gay marriage," that is what I mean. As a rational human being I believe that your point of view is barbaric, against reason, and evil. I don't believe in Christians like you. that's mean. Show nested quote +
Also the whole ''as a Christian'' bit, is presumptuous. Plenty of Christians are not against gay marriage and plenty of Christian churches will wed homesexuals. ''As a fundamentalist Christian'' would be more accurate.
one doesn't have to be a fundamentalist christian to believe that gay-marriage is not ethical. and it is a minority of christians that support it and an even smaller minority of churches that will perform homosexual marriages. and i think his point was that his christianity is the reason he does not support it. now, i guess one could argue that christianity doesn't necessarily mean "no gay marriage" but at the same time, a lot of denominations, that is what it means. i don't think it's presumptuous to explain that your christianity is what makes you not support it.
Not allowing homosexuals to marry cos you read it in a book once is mean.
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On July 13 2012 04:28 Joedaddy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 04:22 AdamBanks wrote:On July 13 2012 04:04 MindBreaker wrote:On July 13 2012 03:56 Joedaddy wrote:On July 12 2012 23:53 bblack wrote:On July 12 2012 23:30 Joedaddy wrote:On July 12 2012 22:37 sc2superfan101 wrote:
i think Google needs to be less political. Agreed. From a business stand point, wouldn't it make more sense to remain neutral on polarizing subjects like this? I'm only one consumer, but I'm now considering changing to Bing and removing chrome. As has been stated before, among young people (=most internet users, especially when looking ahead) people with anti-gay feeling as you are becoming more and more rare. So this stance should appeal to the majority of their possible users. Also, you would have to stop using your Android phone, Google, Chrome, Gmail, YouTube, Maps, Earth, etc.. Most people won't do that. People who are so undeveloped that they think gay marriage is a bad thing probably won't know all of these services belong to Google anyway, so they'll take even less losses. Besides, you can bet Google has considered the business standpoint, and disagrees with you Wow! Google owns soooo much stuff. Anywho~ not really fair to label people who don't agree with gay marriage as "underdeveloped." There are a large number of people in this world who are well educated and hold power who don't support gay marriage. If it weren't so, then this wouldn't even be a debate. Let's not resort to name calling just because someone disagrees with us As a Christian I don't believe I'n same-sex marriage. According to the bible marriage Is a holy union between a man and a woman. That doesn't make me undeveloped. Anyways this won't make me stop using google products. I can deal with citing a 2000 year old book but please say what you mean. When you say you don't believe in gay marriage your wrong, cause I'm pretty sure it exist. I think what you mean to say is that gay marriage is not ethical? I'm not sure please clarify. I can only speak for myself but.... Obviously Gay marriage "exists," but as a Christian I believe that having physical/sexual relations with someone of the same sex is immoral, against God, and a sin. If you ever hear me say "I don't believe in gay marriage," that is what I mean.
Understood, but nowhere in the new testament does Christ ask that of you (I'm sure he appreciates the help tho judging). And the old book (lev?) with that one anti-homo command was written in a time and place where the population was low and they were surrounded by enemies so they needed more babehs. Its also responsible for the whole pork shell fish whatever thing, as eating these things when not prepared in a sanitary manner or cooked throughly can make you sick or 'unclean'. (Josephs or Persian period no idea, I'm remembering this from a convo with some rel studies maj.)
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On July 12 2012 23:30 Joedaddy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 22:37 sc2superfan101 wrote:
i think Google needs to be less political. Agreed. From a business stand point, wouldn't it make more sense to remain neutral on polarizing subjects like this? I'm only one consumer, but I'm now considering changing to Bing and removing chrome.
I don't mean to derail, but you bring up an interesting question. What kind of thing would Google need to do to stop you from using their site? It would have to be pretty huge for me, because frankly I've come to use Google enough that the annoyance of finding a new site would be emmense. Although I could be an extremely lazy annomaly.
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On July 13 2012 04:47 Elsid wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 04:44 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 13 2012 04:39 Crushinator wrote:On July 13 2012 04:28 Joedaddy wrote:On July 13 2012 04:22 AdamBanks wrote:On July 13 2012 04:04 MindBreaker wrote:On July 13 2012 03:56 Joedaddy wrote:On July 12 2012 23:53 bblack wrote:On July 12 2012 23:30 Joedaddy wrote:On July 12 2012 22:37 sc2superfan101 wrote:
i think Google needs to be less political. Agreed. From a business stand point, wouldn't it make more sense to remain neutral on polarizing subjects like this? I'm only one consumer, but I'm now considering changing to Bing and removing chrome. As has been stated before, among young people (=most internet users, especially when looking ahead) people with anti-gay feeling as you are becoming more and more rare. So this stance should appeal to the majority of their possible users. Also, you would have to stop using your Android phone, Google, Chrome, Gmail, YouTube, Maps, Earth, etc.. Most people won't do that. People who are so undeveloped that they think gay marriage is a bad thing probably won't know all of these services belong to Google anyway, so they'll take even less losses. Besides, you can bet Google has considered the business standpoint, and disagrees with you Wow! Google owns soooo much stuff. Anywho~ not really fair to label people who don't agree with gay marriage as "underdeveloped." There are a large number of people in this world who are well educated and hold power who don't support gay marriage. If it weren't so, then this wouldn't even be a debate. Let's not resort to name calling just because someone disagrees with us As a Christian I don't believe I'n same-sex marriage. According to the bible marriage Is a holy union between a man and a woman. That doesn't make me undeveloped. Anyways this won't make me stop using google products. I can deal with citing a 2000 year old book but please say what you mean. When you say you don't believe in gay marriage your wrong, cause I'm pretty sure it exist. I think what you mean to say is that gay marriage is not ethical? I'm not sure please clarify. I can only speak for myself but.... Obviously Gay marriage "exists," but as a Christian I believe that having physical/sexual relations with someone of the same sex is immoral, against God, and a sin. If you ever hear me say "I don't believe in gay marriage," that is what I mean. As a rational human being I believe that your point of view is barbaric, against reason, and evil. I don't believe in Christians like you. that's mean.
Also the whole ''as a Christian'' bit, is presumptuous. Plenty of Christians are not against gay marriage and plenty of Christian churches will wed homesexuals. ''As a fundamentalist Christian'' would be more accurate.
one doesn't have to be a fundamentalist christian to believe that gay-marriage is not ethical. and it is a minority of christians that support it and an even smaller minority of churches that will perform homosexual marriages. and i think his point was that his christianity is the reason he does not support it. now, i guess one could argue that christianity doesn't necessarily mean "no gay marriage" but at the same time, a lot of denominations, that is what it means. i don't think it's presumptuous to explain that your christianity is what makes you not support it. Not allowing homosexuals to marry cos you read it in a book once is mean.
mmm... i suppose one could make that argument. in fact, i don't really have much to say against it. i mean, from my point of view, it's not mean (and it's not just cause of some book)... but i could be wrong. maybe it is just "a book" and maybe it is mean.
but i think there is a difference between being intentionally mean and being unintentionally mean. if im being mean by not supporting gay marriage, than i guess im sorry for being mean.  i hope if i am that i learn someday and stop doing it.
On July 13 2012 04:48 AdamBanks wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 04:28 Joedaddy wrote:On July 13 2012 04:22 AdamBanks wrote:On July 13 2012 04:04 MindBreaker wrote:On July 13 2012 03:56 Joedaddy wrote:On July 12 2012 23:53 bblack wrote:On July 12 2012 23:30 Joedaddy wrote:On July 12 2012 22:37 sc2superfan101 wrote:
i think Google needs to be less political. Agreed. From a business stand point, wouldn't it make more sense to remain neutral on polarizing subjects like this? I'm only one consumer, but I'm now considering changing to Bing and removing chrome. As has been stated before, among young people (=most internet users, especially when looking ahead) people with anti-gay feeling as you are becoming more and more rare. So this stance should appeal to the majority of their possible users. Also, you would have to stop using your Android phone, Google, Chrome, Gmail, YouTube, Maps, Earth, etc.. Most people won't do that. People who are so undeveloped that they think gay marriage is a bad thing probably won't know all of these services belong to Google anyway, so they'll take even less losses. Besides, you can bet Google has considered the business standpoint, and disagrees with you Wow! Google owns soooo much stuff. Anywho~ not really fair to label people who don't agree with gay marriage as "underdeveloped." There are a large number of people in this world who are well educated and hold power who don't support gay marriage. If it weren't so, then this wouldn't even be a debate. Let's not resort to name calling just because someone disagrees with us As a Christian I don't believe I'n same-sex marriage. According to the bible marriage Is a holy union between a man and a woman. That doesn't make me undeveloped. Anyways this won't make me stop using google products. I can deal with citing a 2000 year old book but please say what you mean. When you say you don't believe in gay marriage your wrong, cause I'm pretty sure it exist. I think what you mean to say is that gay marriage is not ethical? I'm not sure please clarify. I can only speak for myself but.... Obviously Gay marriage "exists," but as a Christian I believe that having physical/sexual relations with someone of the same sex is immoral, against God, and a sin. If you ever hear me say "I don't believe in gay marriage," that is what I mean. Understood, but nowhere in the new testament does Christ ask that of you (I'm sure he appreciates the help tho judging). And the old book (lev?) with that one anti-homo command was written in a time when and place where the population was low and they were surrounded by enemies so they needed more babehs. Its also responsible for the whole pork shell fish whatever thing, as eating these things when not prepared in a sanitary manner or cooked throughly can make you sick or 'unclean'. (Josephs or Persian period no idea, I'm remembering this from a convo with some rel studies maj.)
im not sure if i should respond because it's kind of off-topic i think, but i have two small problems:
just because Christ didn't tell us specifically that a thing was wrong doesn't mean that the thing isn't wrong. and i tend to think it's more along the lines of: if he didn't tell us specifically that the old rules were not applicable, than they are still applicable.
and the other problem i have is that i don't think that is what he meant by "judge not".
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On July 13 2012 04:47 Joedaddy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 04:39 Crushinator wrote:On July 13 2012 04:28 Joedaddy wrote:On July 13 2012 04:22 AdamBanks wrote:On July 13 2012 04:04 MindBreaker wrote:On July 13 2012 03:56 Joedaddy wrote:On July 12 2012 23:53 bblack wrote:On July 12 2012 23:30 Joedaddy wrote:On July 12 2012 22:37 sc2superfan101 wrote:
i think Google needs to be less political. Agreed. From a business stand point, wouldn't it make more sense to remain neutral on polarizing subjects like this? I'm only one consumer, but I'm now considering changing to Bing and removing chrome. As has been stated before, among young people (=most internet users, especially when looking ahead) people with anti-gay feeling as you are becoming more and more rare. So this stance should appeal to the majority of their possible users. Also, you would have to stop using your Android phone, Google, Chrome, Gmail, YouTube, Maps, Earth, etc.. Most people won't do that. People who are so undeveloped that they think gay marriage is a bad thing probably won't know all of these services belong to Google anyway, so they'll take even less losses. Besides, you can bet Google has considered the business standpoint, and disagrees with you Wow! Google owns soooo much stuff. Anywho~ not really fair to label people who don't agree with gay marriage as "underdeveloped." There are a large number of people in this world who are well educated and hold power who don't support gay marriage. If it weren't so, then this wouldn't even be a debate. Let's not resort to name calling just because someone disagrees with us As a Christian I don't believe I'n same-sex marriage. According to the bible marriage Is a holy union between a man and a woman. That doesn't make me undeveloped. Anyways this won't make me stop using google products. I can deal with citing a 2000 year old book but please say what you mean. When you say you don't believe in gay marriage your wrong, cause I'm pretty sure it exist. I think what you mean to say is that gay marriage is not ethical? I'm not sure please clarify. I can only speak for myself but.... Obviously Gay marriage "exists," but as a Christian I believe that having physical/sexual relations with someone of the same sex is immoral, against God, and a sin. If you ever hear me say "I don't believe in gay marriage," that is what I mean. As a rational human being I believe that your point of view is barbaric, against reason, and evil. I don't believe in Christians like you. Also the whole ''as a Christian'' bit, is presumptuous. Plenty of Christians are not against gay marriage and plenty of Christian churches will wed homesexuals. ''As a fundamentalist Christian'' would be more accurate. You sound bitter and angry, and I don't know why. Maybe I'm misinterpreting the tone of your post~ Someone asked for clarification about "I don't believe in gay marriage." So I clarified. I don't think aggressive posting from either side of this debate is beneficial.
I am bitter and angry because people like you will still needlessly support the discrimination of a group of people who harm nobody.
I simply gave my opinion of your clarification. I will not spare the feelings of those who support oppression. I have called you no names, and I will show you the same respect I would show to any fellow human being. However, your views are not entiteled to special sensitivity just because their origin is a maistream religion.
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On July 13 2012 04:47 Starshaped wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 04:28 Joedaddy wrote:On July 13 2012 04:22 AdamBanks wrote:On July 13 2012 04:04 MindBreaker wrote:On July 13 2012 03:56 Joedaddy wrote:On July 12 2012 23:53 bblack wrote:On July 12 2012 23:30 Joedaddy wrote:On July 12 2012 22:37 sc2superfan101 wrote:
i think Google needs to be less political. Agreed. From a business stand point, wouldn't it make more sense to remain neutral on polarizing subjects like this? I'm only one consumer, but I'm now considering changing to Bing and removing chrome. As has been stated before, among young people (=most internet users, especially when looking ahead) people with anti-gay feeling as you are becoming more and more rare. So this stance should appeal to the majority of their possible users. Also, you would have to stop using your Android phone, Google, Chrome, Gmail, YouTube, Maps, Earth, etc.. Most people won't do that. People who are so undeveloped that they think gay marriage is a bad thing probably won't know all of these services belong to Google anyway, so they'll take even less losses. Besides, you can bet Google has considered the business standpoint, and disagrees with you Wow! Google owns soooo much stuff. Anywho~ not really fair to label people who don't agree with gay marriage as "underdeveloped." There are a large number of people in this world who are well educated and hold power who don't support gay marriage. If it weren't so, then this wouldn't even be a debate. Let's not resort to name calling just because someone disagrees with us As a Christian I don't believe I'n same-sex marriage. According to the bible marriage Is a holy union between a man and a woman. That doesn't make me undeveloped. Anyways this won't make me stop using google products. I can deal with citing a 2000 year old book but please say what you mean. When you say you don't believe in gay marriage your wrong, cause I'm pretty sure it exist. I think what you mean to say is that gay marriage is not ethical? I'm not sure please clarify. I can only speak for myself but.... Obviously Gay marriage "exists," but as a Christian I believe that having physical/sexual relations with someone of the same sex is immoral, against God, and a sin. If you ever hear me say "I don't believe in gay marriage," that is what I mean. Why is it a sin? As has been mentioned there are a fuckton of 'sins' in the bible and you're just cherry-picking. Homosexuality is just as much a 'sin' as working on the Sabbath or rebelling against your parents. Also, if your only justification for condemning gay marriage is "it's in the bible lul" then you must realize how little that means. Believe what you want, but don't meddle in the affairs of consenting adults who deserve the same rights as everyone else.
Who's cherrypicking? I've never once said on these forums that "this" sin is greater than "that" sin. I've never once (and never will) say that I'm holier than thou, better than, or with less sin than a gay person.
Gay marriage has implications that go beyond the personal bubble of the gay couple. I'm not meddling in any consenting adults' personal lives, but in a country where democracy is the order of the day, I have a right to encourage our elected officials to vote in a way that represents the America I want to see.
And in a forum that promotes contrasting beliefs/ideas/opinions I think its safe for both sides of this debate, and every other debate, to share their thoughts with one another without belittling each other.
Also:
Understood, but nowhere in the new testament does Christ ask that of you (I'm sure he appreciates the help tho judging).
Choosing not to support something =/= judging.
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On July 13 2012 04:51 sc2superfan101 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 04:47 Elsid wrote:On July 13 2012 04:44 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 13 2012 04:39 Crushinator wrote:On July 13 2012 04:28 Joedaddy wrote:On July 13 2012 04:22 AdamBanks wrote:On July 13 2012 04:04 MindBreaker wrote:On July 13 2012 03:56 Joedaddy wrote:On July 12 2012 23:53 bblack wrote:On July 12 2012 23:30 Joedaddy wrote:
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Agreed.
From a business stand point, wouldn't it make more sense to remain neutral on polarizing subjects like this? I'm only one consumer, but I'm now considering changing to Bing and removing chrome. As has been stated before, among young people (=most internet users, especially when looking ahead) people with anti-gay feeling as you are becoming more and more rare. So this stance should appeal to the majority of their possible users. Also, you would have to stop using your Android phone, Google, Chrome, Gmail, YouTube, Maps, Earth, etc.. Most people won't do that. People who are so undeveloped that they think gay marriage is a bad thing probably won't know all of these services belong to Google anyway, so they'll take even less losses. Besides, you can bet Google has considered the business standpoint, and disagrees with you Wow! Google owns soooo much stuff. Anywho~ not really fair to label people who don't agree with gay marriage as "underdeveloped." There are a large number of people in this world who are well educated and hold power who don't support gay marriage. If it weren't so, then this wouldn't even be a debate. Let's not resort to name calling just because someone disagrees with us As a Christian I don't believe I'n same-sex marriage. According to the bible marriage Is a holy union between a man and a woman. That doesn't make me undeveloped. Anyways this won't make me stop using google products. I can deal with citing a 2000 year old book but please say what you mean. When you say you don't believe in gay marriage your wrong, cause I'm pretty sure it exist. I think what you mean to say is that gay marriage is not ethical? I'm not sure please clarify. I can only speak for myself but.... Obviously Gay marriage "exists," but as a Christian I believe that having physical/sexual relations with someone of the same sex is immoral, against God, and a sin. If you ever hear me say "I don't believe in gay marriage," that is what I mean. As a rational human being I believe that your point of view is barbaric, against reason, and evil. I don't believe in Christians like you. that's mean.
Also the whole ''as a Christian'' bit, is presumptuous. Plenty of Christians are not against gay marriage and plenty of Christian churches will wed homesexuals. ''As a fundamentalist Christian'' would be more accurate.
one doesn't have to be a fundamentalist christian to believe that gay-marriage is not ethical. and it is a minority of christians that support it and an even smaller minority of churches that will perform homosexual marriages. and i think his point was that his christianity is the reason he does not support it. now, i guess one could argue that christianity doesn't necessarily mean "no gay marriage" but at the same time, a lot of denominations, that is what it means. i don't think it's presumptuous to explain that your christianity is what makes you not support it. Not allowing homosexuals to marry cos you read it in a book once is mean. mmm... i suppose one could make that argument. in fact, i don't really have much to say against it. i mean, from my point of view, it's not mean (and it's not just cause of some book)... but i could be wrong. maybe it is just "a book" and maybe it is mean. but i think there is a difference between being intentionally mean and being unintentionally mean. if im being mean by not supporting gay marriage, than i guess im sorry for being mean. i hope if i am that i learn someday and stop doing it. Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 04:48 AdamBanks wrote:On July 13 2012 04:28 Joedaddy wrote:On July 13 2012 04:22 AdamBanks wrote:On July 13 2012 04:04 MindBreaker wrote:On July 13 2012 03:56 Joedaddy wrote:On July 12 2012 23:53 bblack wrote:On July 12 2012 23:30 Joedaddy wrote:On July 12 2012 22:37 sc2superfan101 wrote:
i think Google needs to be less political. Agreed. From a business stand point, wouldn't it make more sense to remain neutral on polarizing subjects like this? I'm only one consumer, but I'm now considering changing to Bing and removing chrome. As has been stated before, among young people (=most internet users, especially when looking ahead) people with anti-gay feeling as you are becoming more and more rare. So this stance should appeal to the majority of their possible users. Also, you would have to stop using your Android phone, Google, Chrome, Gmail, YouTube, Maps, Earth, etc.. Most people won't do that. People who are so undeveloped that they think gay marriage is a bad thing probably won't know all of these services belong to Google anyway, so they'll take even less losses. Besides, you can bet Google has considered the business standpoint, and disagrees with you Wow! Google owns soooo much stuff. Anywho~ not really fair to label people who don't agree with gay marriage as "underdeveloped." There are a large number of people in this world who are well educated and hold power who don't support gay marriage. If it weren't so, then this wouldn't even be a debate. Let's not resort to name calling just because someone disagrees with us As a Christian I don't believe I'n same-sex marriage. According to the bible marriage Is a holy union between a man and a woman. That doesn't make me undeveloped. Anyways this won't make me stop using google products. I can deal with citing a 2000 year old book but please say what you mean. When you say you don't believe in gay marriage your wrong, cause I'm pretty sure it exist. I think what you mean to say is that gay marriage is not ethical? I'm not sure please clarify. I can only speak for myself but.... Obviously Gay marriage "exists," but as a Christian I believe that having physical/sexual relations with someone of the same sex is immoral, against God, and a sin. If you ever hear me say "I don't believe in gay marriage," that is what I mean. Understood, but nowhere in the new testament does Christ ask that of you (I'm sure he appreciates the help tho judging). And the old book (lev?) with that one anti-homo command was written in a time when and place where the population was low and they were surrounded by enemies so they needed more babehs. Its also responsible for the whole pork shell fish whatever thing, as eating these things when not prepared in a sanitary manner or cooked throughly can make you sick or 'unclean'. (Josephs or Persian period no idea, I'm remembering this from a convo with some rel studies maj.) im not sure if i should respond because it's kind of off-topic i think, but i have two small problems: just because Christ didn't tell us specifically that a thing was wrong doesn't mean that the thing isn't wrong. and i tend to think it's more along the lines of: if he didn't tell us specifically that the old rules were not applicable, than they are still applicable. and the other problem i have is that i don't think that is what he meant by "judge not".
Do you then also think we would stone people who work on the Sabbath? After all, the old rules apparently still apply. Also, my kid talked back to me today so I'll just go ahead and put him to death, since, y'know, that's what the bible tells me to do.
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On July 13 2012 04:56 Joedaddy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 04:47 Starshaped wrote:On July 13 2012 04:28 Joedaddy wrote:On July 13 2012 04:22 AdamBanks wrote:On July 13 2012 04:04 MindBreaker wrote:On July 13 2012 03:56 Joedaddy wrote:On July 12 2012 23:53 bblack wrote:On July 12 2012 23:30 Joedaddy wrote:On July 12 2012 22:37 sc2superfan101 wrote:
i think Google needs to be less political. Agreed. From a business stand point, wouldn't it make more sense to remain neutral on polarizing subjects like this? I'm only one consumer, but I'm now considering changing to Bing and removing chrome. As has been stated before, among young people (=most internet users, especially when looking ahead) people with anti-gay feeling as you are becoming more and more rare. So this stance should appeal to the majority of their possible users. Also, you would have to stop using your Android phone, Google, Chrome, Gmail, YouTube, Maps, Earth, etc.. Most people won't do that. People who are so undeveloped that they think gay marriage is a bad thing probably won't know all of these services belong to Google anyway, so they'll take even less losses. Besides, you can bet Google has considered the business standpoint, and disagrees with you Wow! Google owns soooo much stuff. Anywho~ not really fair to label people who don't agree with gay marriage as "underdeveloped." There are a large number of people in this world who are well educated and hold power who don't support gay marriage. If it weren't so, then this wouldn't even be a debate. Let's not resort to name calling just because someone disagrees with us As a Christian I don't believe I'n same-sex marriage. According to the bible marriage Is a holy union between a man and a woman. That doesn't make me undeveloped. Anyways this won't make me stop using google products. I can deal with citing a 2000 year old book but please say what you mean. When you say you don't believe in gay marriage your wrong, cause I'm pretty sure it exist. I think what you mean to say is that gay marriage is not ethical? I'm not sure please clarify. I can only speak for myself but.... Obviously Gay marriage "exists," but as a Christian I believe that having physical/sexual relations with someone of the same sex is immoral, against God, and a sin. If you ever hear me say "I don't believe in gay marriage," that is what I mean. Why is it a sin? As has been mentioned there are a fuckton of 'sins' in the bible and you're just cherry-picking. Homosexuality is just as much a 'sin' as working on the Sabbath or rebelling against your parents. Also, if your only justification for condemning gay marriage is "it's in the bible lul" then you must realize how little that means. Believe what you want, but don't meddle in the affairs of consenting adults who deserve the same rights as everyone else. Who's cherrypicking? I've never once said on these forums that "this" sin is greater than "that" sin. I've never once (and never will) say that I'm holier than thou, better than, or with less sin than a gay person. Gay marriage has implications that go beyond the personal bubble of the gay couple. I'm not meddling in any consenting adults' personal lives, but in a country where democracy is the order of the day, I have a right to encourage our elected officials to vote in a way that represents the America I want to see. And in a forum that promotes contrasting beliefs/ideas/opinions I think its safe for both sides of this debate, and every other debate, to share their thoughts with one another without belittling each other.
Why don't you push for working on the Sabbath to be illegal then? Or any of the many sins of the bible we commit every single day? Maybe because the one about homosexuals is easy for you to go against... I don't see anyone doing this, so yes, it is cherry-picking.
Again, you clearly are meddling in the lives of consenting adults when you want to take away their rights, lol.
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