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On October 12 2012 11:19 sc2superfan101 wrote: it was originally supported by a Democrat. True, but for a higher growth cap (along with some other minor stuff). Which is what matters for a premium support healthcare program.
For example, if the premium support was originally proposed at +3% growth compared to GDP, then revised down to -1% growth compared to GDP. These are obviously not the numbers, but the same principle applies.
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Why do they bring up religion when it comes to abortion? All religion should be removed from politics. Its your life, you can do what you want to do with it. A mother and a child is one to the point where they become two. If someone wants to stop that prosses wants to stop this they should have the choice to do so. If it cost money thats their problem.
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On October 12 2012 11:18 Deathmanbob wrote: Biden has the best answer, Yes i believe life starts at conception, No i will not make you believe that
Agreed. Women and people who enjoy having their own opinions are surely loving that answer.
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Doesn't that run against Tea Party principles, even the human/right to life doctrine?
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On October 12 2012 11:19 xDaunt wrote: Biden is lying his ass off about how Obamacare affects the Church.
6-4 Biden
Lying doesn't matter. Easy points for Biden.
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Edit: This is a joke. It's a joke. Don't eat me T_T
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On October 12 2012 11:19 xDaunt wrote: Biden is lying his ass off about how Obamacare affects the Church.
6-4 Biden
HEY NOW! you do not score for lies, only if called out! fix your score for your own standing!
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Oh sweet, did Ryan guarantee no reversal of Roe v. Wade?
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Look at this. Every time Ryan starts to point out the bullshit, either Biden or the moderator interrupt him. Again, this debate is a joke.
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i like the contrast biden set up
ryan: can't separate private and public life
biden: SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE BITCHESSSSS
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On October 12 2012 11:20 Deathmanbob wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 11:19 xDaunt wrote: Biden is lying his ass off about how Obamacare affects the Church.
6-4 Biden HEY NOW! you do not score for lies, only if called out! fix your score for your own standing! He gets it for pointing out the lawsuits.
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On October 12 2012 11:20 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Doesn't that run against Tea Party principles, even the human/right to life doctrine?
Not all Tea party members are religious.
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On October 12 2012 11:19 sc2superfan101 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 11:15 TheTenthDoc wrote:On October 12 2012 11:15 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 12 2012 11:12 Risen wrote:On October 12 2012 11:08 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 12 2012 11:05 Risen wrote:On October 12 2012 11:03 xDaunt wrote:On October 12 2012 11:01 Risen wrote:On October 12 2012 11:00 Enchanted wrote:On October 12 2012 10:56 Risen wrote: [quote]
Standard nonsense attack. Attack the points raised not the credibility of the people giving them. Doing so just makes you look like an ass unwilling to respond to arguments. He's saying that she is biased towards one of the debaters, which, if you've been watching, she is. What else is there for him to say ? How about he says oh she's biased, and you can see clear examples of it here. Instead he tries some stupid conspiracy theory nonsense. I'll say it again. This is what the Republican party needs. Expose the lies and misrepresentations so this weak trash gets thrown out and the party gets back to sanity. It is no secret that the moderator is a democrat. I don't really care about that. What I do care about is her performance and fairness in moderating. She clearly is not being fair. That's a difference between us. I don't care about fair because the real world isn't fair. I care about the strongest president winning. If you have to lie/mislead people about your positions then you're weak. Your ideas should stand up on their own merit. Biden losing it a bit atm. what about Obama's performance in the debate? was he the "strongest president" in that one? I don't care about debate performances. I watch these in the hopes that one day the candidates will argue ideas. At least Obama wasn't up there lying/placing a smokescreen for his ideas. In my world, my vote is controlled by the party who places their ideas out for public scrutiny and doesn't try to mislead/lie, because that is strength to me. Right now, that's the Democratic party (libs would be closer, but I like my vote to matter) do you, maybe, have one or two lies that you remember that you think the Republicans are telling? so you could, you know, put it out there for the public scrutiny? Well, when Ryan said his plan was supported by a Democrat he was lying, as you could tell by his reaction when Biden called him out. it was originally supported by a Democrat.
That's not what he said though, and CLEARLY not what he meant. He was either lying or deceptive.
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On October 12 2012 11:20 xDaunt wrote: Look at this. Every time Ryan starts to point out the bullshit, either Biden or the moderator interrupt him. Again, this debate is a joke. Oh xDaunt, we can always count on you for waving the crazy flag :D
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On October 12 2012 11:20 TheTenthDoc wrote: Oh sweet, did Ryan guarantee no reversal of Roe v. Wade?
I think he did. Which is complete opposite of what Romeny would do.
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On October 12 2012 11:19 Enchanted wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 11:16 Deathmanbob wrote: i believe in it because of science... offer nothing scientific He used the example of an ultrasound.
What the fuck does that have to do with science affecting abortion? It's just a medium for people to try and convince others that life begins at conception, not that science says abortions should only occur because of "blah blah at this point and for these reasons only".
This issue is totally religious and personal.
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On October 12 2012 11:19 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 11:17 xDaunt wrote: Great answer from Ryan on abortion. Walked the line well between staying true to his views and supporting Romney. That question was a trap and he avoided it. "state your opinion on the hottest issue in america" is a trap for a candidate? ryan misleading "that doesnt change the definition of life". a fetus unable to support itself outside the mother is not technically alive by a scientific definition. uhhh............
what?
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On October 12 2012 11:18 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 11:17 xDaunt wrote: Great answer from Ryan on abortion. Walked the line well between staying true to his views and supporting Romney. That question was a trap and he avoided it. Religion and Science are polar opposites. He credits Science but tows the Religion line. That's right, science is quite clear that abortion is the killing of people.
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End of abortion questioning.
Biden: 36:47 Ryan: 35:15
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On October 12 2012 11:21 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 11:20 Deathmanbob wrote:On October 12 2012 11:19 xDaunt wrote: Biden is lying his ass off about how Obamacare affects the Church.
6-4 Biden HEY NOW! you do not score for lies, only if called out! fix your score for your own standing! He gets it for pointing out the lawsuits.
you think a toss away line about lawsuits beats the "i dont push my beliefs on you" lie?
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On October 12 2012 11:20 Pusekatten wrote: Why do they bring up religion when it comes to abortion? All religion should be removed from politics. Its your life, you can do what you want to do with it. A mother and a child is one to the point where they become two. If someone wants to stop that prosses wants to stop this they should have the choice to do so. If it cost money thats their problem.
Because it's probably the biggest deciding factor in someone's decision to be pro-life or pro-choice, especially since religion is such a big deal to so many Americans. Faith influences everything to many people.
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