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On October 25 2012 02:05 Reedjr wrote:
People's views change, especially after college. If you look at someone's school assignments taken from when they are half their current age, you would not have a very accurate view of that person - only who they used to be.
I realize that people's views change, but I think it is important to look at his views back then. Could he have become more moderate? Absolutely. Could he have become more radical (or remained about the same)? Absolutely. I think to call his views in the past completely irrelevant is naive (no offense).
Mitt Romney has completely "changed" his views over the past 20 years, he used to be a very hardcore leftist who hated guns and loved universal healthcare. Now he claims he loves guns and hates universal healthcare, yet I get the distinct impression that Romney is lying about his newfound love for guns and hatred of universal healthcare. I think that Romney is just pretending to be more moderate/conservative in order to win the election, not because he actually believes in such things.
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On October 25 2012 01:54 Swazi Spring wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 01:51 kwizach wrote:
I am genuinely laughing at Trump's request. What an attention-seeking dumbass.
On second thought, though, it's pretty sad there are actually morons who will consider this a reasonable request and bargain. How is it unreasonable? The American people have no idea who Obama is, he is just sort of a magical figure who came out of nowhere. How did someone that no one had ever heard of, someone who only served a few years as a senator, suddenly become president of the most powerful country on the planet? That is a frightening question.
Yes, a "magical figure" who's published books, presided the Harvard Law Review, taught constitutional law at University of Chicago, was a state senator from 1997 to 2004, was elected U.S. senator in 2004 and has been president since 2009. You're right, he's really been hiding in the shadows until this election.
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This is really pretty clever. Any other person in the world would do it in a second probably. 5 million dollars to any charity he picks and all he has to do is release documents that shouldn't hold anything incriminating at all?
Romney has nothing to lose and everything to gain thought this. Very interesting move by trump.
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On October 25 2012 02:07 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 02:01 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 25 2012 01:59 Slaughter wrote:On October 25 2012 01:45 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 25 2012 01:41 Grettin wrote:On October 25 2012 01:37 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 25 2012 01:35 ticklishmusic wrote:
i almost fell out my chair in class, and then faceplamed at the enormity of his stupidity. If Obama has nothing to hide, then where is the harm? Obama always talks about how much he loves the poor, now is his chance to prove it. Exactly. To be honest, i see this as a pretty "clever" way to get more speculations and maybe even votes for Romney just because of the birth certification bullshit that has been going on. If Obama doesn't do anything, i'm sure there are people who take it as Obama has something to hide and thus maybe doesn't vote for him or just questions him about it. People are pretty simply minded when it comes to these things. But yeah, pretty facepalm stuff right here though. The birth certificate thing was nonsense, but this is a pretty legitimate request. I could care less about his college grades ad passport records, why didn't Trump demand his college papers? That's what I'm concerned about. We already know that Frank Marshall Davis, a well known communist, was a father-figure to Obama. We also know that Bill Ayers, another well known communist, was one of Obama's closest friends in college. Obama claims that he wrote some very conservative and pro-American papers in college, but he has yet to provide any evidence of this. All of the evidence we have of that time in his life shows that he was even more radical back then than he is now. Who the fuck cares about papers he wrote in college? Seriously a legit request? Its college papers for classes -_- how many of those do you actually think he still has? It provides a valuable insight into Obama's real views, views that he didn't think would ever be publicly released. Has any other candidate ever had this request made of him? Same shit for the birth certificate. If there was anything bad in his college essays it would be out by now as people who knew him in college would have spilled and/or would have been talked to.
The liberals attacked John McCain, because he was born in a US military base in the Panama Canal Zone. The left said that since the Panama Canal Zone was not an integral part of the United States, it made him ineligible to be president.
There are plenty of other examples: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-citizen_clause#Presidential_candidates_whose_eligibility_was_questioned
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On October 25 2012 02:21 Sermokala wrote:
This is really pretty clever. Any other person in the world would do it in a second probably. 5 million dollars to any charity he picks and all he has to do is release documents that shouldn't hold anything incriminating at all?
Romney has nothing to lose and everything to gain thought this. Very interesting move by trump.
Well, it might take them more than a second to compile everything. Keep in mind there's a catch-22 in this for Obama: if he does it quickly, it can spun as him neglecting his position as Commander in Chief to win a pithy political game with a buffoon. If he does it slowly, he'll be told he faked them.
On October 25 2012 02:27 Swazi Spring wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 02:20 kwizach wrote:On October 25 2012 01:54 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 25 2012 01:51 kwizach wrote:
I am genuinely laughing at Trump's request. What an attention-seeking dumbass.
On second thought, though, it's pretty sad there are actually morons who will consider this a reasonable request and bargain. How is it unreasonable? The American people have no idea who Obama is, he is just sort of a magical figure who came out of nowhere. How did someone that no one had ever heard of, someone who only served a few years as a senator, suddenly become president of the most powerful country on the planet? That is a frightening question. Yes, a "magical figure" who's published books, presided the Harvard Law Review, taught constitutional law at University of Chicago, was a state senator from 1997 to 2004, was elected U.S. senator in 2004 and has been president since 2009. You're right, he's really been hiding in the shadows until this election. That's nothing in terms of political experience, especially at the federal level. Do you really think any other person could serve less than a full term in the federal senate and then become president of the United States?
There's no plausible reading of your initial post that suggests it deals with political experience at the federal level.
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On October 25 2012 02:20 kwizach wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 01:54 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 25 2012 01:51 kwizach wrote:
I am genuinely laughing at Trump's request. What an attention-seeking dumbass.
On second thought, though, it's pretty sad there are actually morons who will consider this a reasonable request and bargain. How is it unreasonable? The American people have no idea who Obama is, he is just sort of a magical figure who came out of nowhere. How did someone that no one had ever heard of, someone who only served a few years as a senator, suddenly become president of the most powerful country on the planet? That is a frightening question. Yes, a "magical figure" who's published books, presided the Harvard Law Review, taught constitutional law at University of Chicago, was a state senator from 1997 to 2004, was elected U.S. senator in 2004 and has been president since 2009. You're right, he's really been hiding in the shadows until this election.
That's nothing in terms of political experience, especially at the federal level. Do you really think any other person could serve less than a full term in the federal senate and then become president of the United States (in modern times)?
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On October 25 2012 02:27 Swazi Spring wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 02:20 kwizach wrote:On October 25 2012 01:54 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 25 2012 01:51 kwizach wrote:
I am genuinely laughing at Trump's request. What an attention-seeking dumbass.
On second thought, though, it's pretty sad there are actually morons who will consider this a reasonable request and bargain. How is it unreasonable? The American people have no idea who Obama is, he is just sort of a magical figure who came out of nowhere. How did someone that no one had ever heard of, someone who only served a few years as a senator, suddenly become president of the most powerful country on the planet? That is a frightening question. Yes, a "magical figure" who's published books, presided the Harvard Law Review, taught constitutional law at University of Chicago, was a state senator from 1997 to 2004, was elected U.S. senator in 2004 and has been president since 2009. You're right, he's really been hiding in the shadows until this election. That's nothing in terms of political experience, especially at the federal level. Do you really think any other person could serve less than a full term in the federal senate and then become president of the United States?
I don't even know what the hell that's supposed to mean. How is this related to his college papers? How does it change the fact that he's probably been the most watched person on the planet for the last four years? What is supposed to be questionable about his 2008 election?
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Oh come on. Obama isn't gonna respond to this, he'll outright ignore it. And rightly so, just imagine a group of actors coming together and offering to donate 5 million to charity if Romney released his tax returns. It's nothing but low emotional blackmail.
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On October 25 2012 02:30 kwizach wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 02:27 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 25 2012 02:20 kwizach wrote:On October 25 2012 01:54 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 25 2012 01:51 kwizach wrote:
I am genuinely laughing at Trump's request. What an attention-seeking dumbass.
On second thought, though, it's pretty sad there are actually morons who will consider this a reasonable request and bargain. How is it unreasonable? The American people have no idea who Obama is, he is just sort of a magical figure who came out of nowhere. How did someone that no one had ever heard of, someone who only served a few years as a senator, suddenly become president of the most powerful country on the planet? That is a frightening question. Yes, a "magical figure" who's published books, presided the Harvard Law Review, taught constitutional law at University of Chicago, was a state senator from 1997 to 2004, was elected U.S. senator in 2004 and has been president since 2009. You're right, he's really been hiding in the shadows until this election. That's nothing in terms of political experience, especially at the federal level. Do you really think any other person could serve less than a full term in the federal senate and then become president of the United States? I don't even know what the hell that's supposed to mean. How is this related to his college papers? How does it change the fact that he's probably been the most watched person on the planet for the last four years? What is supposed to be questionable about his 2008 election?
That has nothing to do with his college papers. That was me responding to how he said that Obama has a lot of political experience and was a very mainstream political figure prior to running for president.
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On October 25 2012 02:34 Swazi Spring wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 02:30 kwizach wrote:On October 25 2012 02:27 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 25 2012 02:20 kwizach wrote:On October 25 2012 01:54 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 25 2012 01:51 kwizach wrote:
I am genuinely laughing at Trump's request. What an attention-seeking dumbass.
On second thought, though, it's pretty sad there are actually morons who will consider this a reasonable request and bargain. How is it unreasonable? The American people have no idea who Obama is, he is just sort of a magical figure who came out of nowhere. How did someone that no one had ever heard of, someone who only served a few years as a senator, suddenly become president of the most powerful country on the planet? That is a frightening question. Yes, a "magical figure" who's published books, presided the Harvard Law Review, taught constitutional law at University of Chicago, was a state senator from 1997 to 2004, was elected U.S. senator in 2004 and has been president since 2009. You're right, he's really been hiding in the shadows until this election. That's nothing in terms of political experience, especially at the federal level. Do you really think any other person could serve less than a full term in the federal senate and then become president of the United States? I don't even know what the hell that's supposed to mean. How is this related to his college papers? How does it change the fact that he's probably been the most watched person on the planet for the last four years? What is supposed to be questionable about his 2008 election? That has nothing to do with his college papers. That was me responding to how he said that Obama has a lot of political experience and was a very mainstream political figure prior to running for president.
And before that, you said that Obama was a magical figure that rose up from nowhere that Americans know nothing about currently. He was saying he wasn't coming from nowhere, he was coming from a university position and the state senate.
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On October 25 2012 02:34 Swazi Spring wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 02:30 kwizach wrote:On October 25 2012 02:27 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 25 2012 02:20 kwizach wrote:On October 25 2012 01:54 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 25 2012 01:51 kwizach wrote:
I am genuinely laughing at Trump's request. What an attention-seeking dumbass.
On second thought, though, it's pretty sad there are actually morons who will consider this a reasonable request and bargain. How is it unreasonable? The American people have no idea who Obama is, he is just sort of a magical figure who came out of nowhere. How did someone that no one had ever heard of, someone who only served a few years as a senator, suddenly become president of the most powerful country on the planet? That is a frightening question. Yes, a "magical figure" who's published books, presided the Harvard Law Review, taught constitutional law at University of Chicago, was a state senator from 1997 to 2004, was elected U.S. senator in 2004 and has been president since 2009. You're right, he's really been hiding in the shadows until this election. That's nothing in terms of political experience, especially at the federal level. Do you really think any other person could serve less than a full term in the federal senate and then become president of the United States? I don't even know what the hell that's supposed to mean. How is this related to his college papers? How does it change the fact that he's probably been the most watched person on the planet for the last four years? What is supposed to be questionable about his 2008 election? That has nothing to do with his college papers. That was me responding to how he said that Obama has a lot of political experience and was a very mainstream political figure prior to running for president.
You're completely distorting what I said. I was pointing out that, contrary to what you had written, he certainly wasn't a "magical figure" who "came out of nowhere" - I never said he had had a long career at the federal level prior to running. Also, you still have to explain how the hell him getting elected in 2008 is a "frightening question". Finally, in case you didn't notice, Trump is asking for his college papers NOW, and Obama has already been president, and under the most intensive spotlight of the world, for four years.
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On October 25 2012 02:17 Swazi Spring wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 02:05 Reedjr wrote:
People's views change, especially after college. If you look at someone's school assignments taken from when they are half their current age, you would not have a very accurate view of that person - only who they used to be. I realize that people's views change, but I think it is important to look at his views back then. Could he have become more moderate? Absolutely. Could he have become more radical (or remained about the same)? Absolutely. I think to call his views in the past completely irrelevant is naive (no offense). Mitt Romney has completely "changed" his views over the past 20 years, he used to be a very hardcore leftist who hated guns and loved universal healthcare. Now he claims he loves guns and hates universal healthcare, yet I get the distinct impression that Romney is lying about his newfound love for guns and hatred of universal healthcare. I think that Romney is just pretending to be more moderate/conservative in order to win the election, not because he actually believes in such things.
Romney was certainly not a "hardcore leftist" as governor of MA.
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On October 25 2012 02:36 TheTenthDoc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 02:34 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 25 2012 02:30 kwizach wrote:On October 25 2012 02:27 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 25 2012 02:20 kwizach wrote:On October 25 2012 01:54 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 25 2012 01:51 kwizach wrote:
I am genuinely laughing at Trump's request. What an attention-seeking dumbass.
On second thought, though, it's pretty sad there are actually morons who will consider this a reasonable request and bargain. How is it unreasonable? The American people have no idea who Obama is, he is just sort of a magical figure who came out of nowhere. How did someone that no one had ever heard of, someone who only served a few years as a senator, suddenly become president of the most powerful country on the planet? That is a frightening question. Yes, a "magical figure" who's published books, presided the Harvard Law Review, taught constitutional law at University of Chicago, was a state senator from 1997 to 2004, was elected U.S. senator in 2004 and has been president since 2009. You're right, he's really been hiding in the shadows until this election. That's nothing in terms of political experience, especially at the federal level. Do you really think any other person could serve less than a full term in the federal senate and then become president of the United States? I don't even know what the hell that's supposed to mean. How is this related to his college papers? How does it change the fact that he's probably been the most watched person on the planet for the last four years? What is supposed to be questionable about his 2008 election? That has nothing to do with his college papers. That was me responding to how he said that Obama has a lot of political experience and was a very mainstream political figure prior to running for president. And before that, you said that Obama was a magical figure that rose up from nowhere. He was saying he wasn't coming from nowhere, he was coming from a university position and the state senate.
Two terms in the Illinois Senate and less than a full term in the federal Senate isn't a lot of political experience, he did pretty much come out of nowhere.
There's two main reasons for Obama getting elected. One he was the "blank slate" candidate, he had no real positions, he just said "I'm not like other politicians, I'm all hopey changey! Vote for me and I'll make magical things happen!" Another big part of it was white guilt, and I do not mean that in a "racist" way or anything.
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On October 25 2012 02:40 kwizach wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 02:34 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 25 2012 02:30 kwizach wrote:On October 25 2012 02:27 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 25 2012 02:20 kwizach wrote:On October 25 2012 01:54 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 25 2012 01:51 kwizach wrote:
I am genuinely laughing at Trump's request. What an attention-seeking dumbass.
On second thought, though, it's pretty sad there are actually morons who will consider this a reasonable request and bargain. How is it unreasonable? The American people have no idea who Obama is, he is just sort of a magical figure who came out of nowhere. How did someone that no one had ever heard of, someone who only served a few years as a senator, suddenly become president of the most powerful country on the planet? That is a frightening question. Yes, a "magical figure" who's published books, presided the Harvard Law Review, taught constitutional law at University of Chicago, was a state senator from 1997 to 2004, was elected U.S. senator in 2004 and has been president since 2009. You're right, he's really been hiding in the shadows until this election. That's nothing in terms of political experience, especially at the federal level. Do you really think any other person could serve less than a full term in the federal senate and then become president of the United States? I don't even know what the hell that's supposed to mean. How is this related to his college papers? How does it change the fact that he's probably been the most watched person on the planet for the last four years? What is supposed to be questionable about his 2008 election? That has nothing to do with his college papers. That was me responding to how he said that Obama has a lot of political experience and was a very mainstream political figure prior to running for president. You're completely distorting what I said. I was responding to you saying he was a "magical figure" who "came out of nowhere". Also, you still have to explain how the hell him getting elected in 2008 is a "frightening question". Finally, in case you didn't notice, Trump is asking for his college papers NOW, and Obama has already been president, and under the most intensive spotlight of the world, for four years.
He's asking for Obama's college records, there's a difference between the papers Obama wrote and records that show he attended college.
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I very much hope that Obama gets elected again. To me, as a European, he didn't seem like such a bad President. The global economy crisis can hardly be blamed on him, and considering how he got shut down hard in the Senate with basically everything due to the Republicans blocking him out of spite, I think he did a rather good job.
Also, to me Romney is like the Anti-American-Dream. He had rich and influential parents, got his Harvard degree, and spent the rest of his life enriching himself as much as possible. It's easy to say 50% of the country is simply living off the state, if they never had the substantial head start Mitt Romney had. He doesn't give a shit about equal chances, but I guess that can be said for the whole Republican Party.
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Obama should just respond to Trump with: As President of the United States, I do not negotiate with terrorists.
Seriously. If Trump wants to donate to a charity, he can do that without trying to pull on political strings and jerk our fucking president around. What's next? First Lady pics in a thong for ten million dollars?
Trump's a jackass and an ignoramus when it comes to not letting go of stupid situations. He just wants the limelight, and thinking that someone has something to hide just because he won't entertain stupid and manipulative requests is missing the point. Trump's not being charitable; he's trying to blackmail Obama with non-existent bullshit by providing a lose-lose situation for him. Either Obama has to continue to show credibility on every single thing he's ever done (which takes away from campaign focus- not to mention the fact that he's still leading our country- and who said that our president has to check in with Trump?), or he looks like he's hiding something? Bullshit. Just don't play ball.
EDIT: Trump's request video has Trump saying "to my satisfaction"... = impossible anyway.
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On October 25 2012 02:42 Swazi Spring wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 02:40 kwizach wrote:On October 25 2012 02:34 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 25 2012 02:30 kwizach wrote:On October 25 2012 02:27 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 25 2012 02:20 kwizach wrote:On October 25 2012 01:54 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 25 2012 01:51 kwizach wrote:
I am genuinely laughing at Trump's request. What an attention-seeking dumbass.
On second thought, though, it's pretty sad there are actually morons who will consider this a reasonable request and bargain. How is it unreasonable? The American people have no idea who Obama is, he is just sort of a magical figure who came out of nowhere. How did someone that no one had ever heard of, someone who only served a few years as a senator, suddenly become president of the most powerful country on the planet? That is a frightening question. Yes, a "magical figure" who's published books, presided the Harvard Law Review, taught constitutional law at University of Chicago, was a state senator from 1997 to 2004, was elected U.S. senator in 2004 and has been president since 2009. You're right, he's really been hiding in the shadows until this election. That's nothing in terms of political experience, especially at the federal level. Do you really think any other person could serve less than a full term in the federal senate and then become president of the United States? I don't even know what the hell that's supposed to mean. How is this related to his college papers? How does it change the fact that he's probably been the most watched person on the planet for the last four years? What is supposed to be questionable about his 2008 election? That has nothing to do with his college papers. That was me responding to how he said that Obama has a lot of political experience and was a very mainstream political figure prior to running for president. You're completely distorting what I said. I was responding to you saying he was a "magical figure" who "came out of nowhere". Also, you still have to explain how the hell him getting elected in 2008 is a "frightening question". Finally, in case you didn't notice, Trump is asking for his college papers NOW, and Obama has already been president, and under the most intensive spotlight of the world, for four years. He's asking for Obama's college records, there's a difference between the papers Obama wrote and records that show he attended college.
So how exactly is asking for his college records in any way relevant?
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we should start a kickstarter or something for romney to release his tax returns
ill put up 20 bucks
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On October 25 2012 02:30 kwizach wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 02:27 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 25 2012 02:20 kwizach wrote:On October 25 2012 01:54 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 25 2012 01:51 kwizach wrote:
I am genuinely laughing at Trump's request. What an attention-seeking dumbass.
On second thought, though, it's pretty sad there are actually morons who will consider this a reasonable request and bargain. How is it unreasonable? The American people have no idea who Obama is, he is just sort of a magical figure who came out of nowhere. How did someone that no one had ever heard of, someone who only served a few years as a senator, suddenly become president of the most powerful country on the planet? That is a frightening question. Yes, a "magical figure" who's published books, presided the Harvard Law Review, taught constitutional law at University of Chicago, was a state senator from 1997 to 2004, was elected U.S. senator in 2004 and has been president since 2009. You're right, he's really been hiding in the shadows until this election. That's nothing in terms of political experience, especially at the federal level. Do you really think any other person could serve less than a full term in the federal senate and then become president of the United States? I don't even know what the hell that's supposed to mean. How is this related to his college papers? How does it change the fact that he's probably been the most watched person on the planet for the last four years? What is supposed to be questionable about his 2008 election?
How someone with such little real experience and who the public had never heard of, suddenly went from being a nobody to being the most powerful person on the planet.
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On October 25 2012 02:17 Swazi Spring wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 02:05 Reedjr wrote:
People's views change, especially after college. If you look at someone's school assignments taken from when they are half their current age, you would not have a very accurate view of that person - only who they used to be. I realize that people's views change, but I think it is important to look at his views back then. Could he have become more moderate? Absolutely. Could he have become more radical (or remained about the same)? Absolutely. I think to call his views in the past completely irrelevant is naive (no offense). Mitt Romney has completely "changed" his views over the past 20 years, he used to be a very hardcore leftist who hated guns and loved universal healthcare. Now he claims he loves guns and hates universal healthcare, yet I get the distinct impression that Romney is lying about his newfound love for guns and hatred of universal healthcare. I think that Romney is just pretending to be more moderate/conservative in order to win the election, not because he actually believes in such things.
He has completely changed his views over the past few weeks aswell. So yeah...
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