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On December 05 2012 06:12 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 06:07 sluggaslamoo wrote:On December 05 2012 04:06 PanN wrote:On December 05 2012 04:04 Romantic wrote:On December 05 2012 03:27 sluggaslamoo wrote:On December 04 2012 23:26 tomatriedes wrote:On December 04 2012 23:10 saltywet wrote:Okay, this is the first time I read about this and I just spent the last hour reading about the background and aftermath about this... The solid facts that I got from reading the report are: 1. There was definitely a cry for help, recorded on the tape 2. Witnesses seeing one man on top of another, throwing punches 3. Martin's autopsy reports that Martin had a small abrasion on his left ring finger, a gunshot to the chest at close range, and no other injuries. The fact that Martin had physical injury (ie bruises, cuts) leads me to believe that it was a one sided fight where Martin was attacking Zimmerman, that Zimmerman was definitely crying out for help, and that Zimmerman retaliated in self-defence. Other smaller details/questions also seem to support this, ie - Why would Martin go back and confront Zimmerman? If he feels that Zimmerman is a threat why not run home?
- Martin is on his third disciplinary suspension from his high school.
- Martin passed a lie detector where he was asked if he was in fear for his life when he shot the gun (ie self defense); of course, lie detectors can be deceived but this is still a good detail
Yep, gotta agree with this. Logic in regard to the injuries points to Trayvon being on top in th fight which makes Zimmerman's claim of self-defence look pretty sound. Unfortunately some people seem to have had a very close-minded agenda of portraying Zimmerman as a racist lunatic since day one and ignore anything that might contradict that. The next thing they'll be saying is that this picture was photoshopped. Edit- Yep, didn't take them long: http://americanlivewire.com/george-zimmerman-photoshopped/ Uh saltywet. Have you got martin and zimmerman the wrong way around? Zimmerman is a racist lunatic. You only need the recording to justify that. If you confront someone aggressively, you have every right to attack them in self defence ( Martin was clearly running away, and Zimmerman was chasing him). Also Zimmerman used beyond reasonable force in the fight, he got a punch to the lip, and he needed to pull out a gun and shoot the guy? Its Zimmermans own damn fault for confronting Martin. The voice recording tells all, whatever story Zimmerman tells, whether or its sound or not, is plain wrong and adds nothing to the debate. Its obviously murder, plain and simple. I would love to see proof of the bolded text. Good luck, you won't find any. Oh yes, clearly just a, "punch to the lip" after seeing his bloody and doctor diagnosed closed fracture of the nose (but you're an expert on broken noses) and a long gash across the back of his head. Dude, sluggaslamoo is going to the trial to present his evidence, he actually does know what hes talking about, and hes going to flip this trial upside down. Sluggaslamoo for broken nose expert / pro-evidence gatherer / prosecutor! Explain this On December 05 2012 03:27 sluggaslamoo wrote:![[image loading]](http://americanlivewire.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/george-zimmerman-cuts-0523-300x202.jpg) Here shows he has no swelling after being released, it is impossible to have a broken swelling nose and then look perfectly fine an hour later. Sorry but listen to the recording. Martin took 2 minutes because he had no idea someone was stalking him (a.k.a he was walking, walking for 2 minutes doesn't get you very far). After Zimmerman dropped the phone, he chased after him, that's when Martin would try to run away. He chased after him and confronted him and is a racist obviously because LISTEN TO THE FUCKING RECORDING. the photo with the blood was released by the police/district attorney. are you suggesting that the police/district attorney have doctored the photo to support zimmerman's defense?
I think it's ludicrous that people are saying his nose looks "fine" in the after picture. It looks cleaned up, and not swollen to the size of a melon, but I've seen plenty of smashed faces that didn't turn into a pepperoni pizza.
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On December 05 2012 06:07 sluggaslamoo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 04:06 PanN wrote:On December 05 2012 04:04 Romantic wrote:On December 05 2012 03:27 sluggaslamoo wrote:On December 04 2012 23:26 tomatriedes wrote:On December 04 2012 23:10 saltywet wrote:Okay, this is the first time I read about this and I just spent the last hour reading about the background and aftermath about this... The solid facts that I got from reading the report are: 1. There was definitely a cry for help, recorded on the tape 2. Witnesses seeing one man on top of another, throwing punches 3. Martin's autopsy reports that Martin had a small abrasion on his left ring finger, a gunshot to the chest at close range, and no other injuries. The fact that Martin had physical injury (ie bruises, cuts) leads me to believe that it was a one sided fight where Martin was attacking Zimmerman, that Zimmerman was definitely crying out for help, and that Zimmerman retaliated in self-defence. Other smaller details/questions also seem to support this, ie - Why would Martin go back and confront Zimmerman? If he feels that Zimmerman is a threat why not run home?
- Martin is on his third disciplinary suspension from his high school.
- Martin passed a lie detector where he was asked if he was in fear for his life when he shot the gun (ie self defense); of course, lie detectors can be deceived but this is still a good detail
Yep, gotta agree with this. Logic in regard to the injuries points to Trayvon being on top in th fight which makes Zimmerman's claim of self-defence look pretty sound. Unfortunately some people seem to have had a very close-minded agenda of portraying Zimmerman as a racist lunatic since day one and ignore anything that might contradict that. The next thing they'll be saying is that this picture was photoshopped. Edit- Yep, didn't take them long: http://americanlivewire.com/george-zimmerman-photoshopped/ Uh saltywet. Have you got martin and zimmerman the wrong way around? Zimmerman is a racist lunatic. You only need the recording to justify that. If you confront someone aggressively, you have every right to attack them in self defence ( Martin was clearly running away, and Zimmerman was chasing him). Also Zimmerman used beyond reasonable force in the fight, he got a punch to the lip, and he needed to pull out a gun and shoot the guy? Its Zimmermans own damn fault for confronting Martin. The voice recording tells all, whatever story Zimmerman tells, whether or its sound or not, is plain wrong and adds nothing to the debate. Its obviously murder, plain and simple. I would love to see proof of the bolded text. Good luck, you won't find any. Oh yes, clearly just a, "punch to the lip" after seeing his bloody and doctor diagnosed closed fracture of the nose (but you're an expert on broken noses) and a long gash across the back of his head. Dude, sluggaslamoo is going to the trial to present his evidence, he actually does know what hes talking about, and hes going to flip this trial upside down. Sluggaslamoo for broken nose expert / pro-evidence gatherer / prosecutor! Explain this Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 03:27 sluggaslamoo wrote:Here shows he has no swelling after being released, it is impossible to have a broken swelling nose and then look perfectly fine an hour later. Sorry but listen to the recording. Martin took 2 minutes because he had no idea someone was stalking him (a.k.a he was walking, walking for 2 minutes doesn't get you very far). After Zimmerman dropped the phone, he chased after him, that's when Martin would try to run away. He chased after him and confronted him and is a racist obviously because LISTEN TO THE FUCKING RECORDING.
I looks like it could be a bit swollen. Do you have a profile picture of him before the incident to compare? Add to the fact that the shadows seem to enhance the swelling in the first photo and he's cleaned up in the second, it's hardly conclusive evidence of anything.
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On December 05 2012 06:12 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 06:07 sluggaslamoo wrote:On December 05 2012 04:06 PanN wrote:On December 05 2012 04:04 Romantic wrote:On December 05 2012 03:27 sluggaslamoo wrote:On December 04 2012 23:26 tomatriedes wrote:On December 04 2012 23:10 saltywet wrote:Okay, this is the first time I read about this and I just spent the last hour reading about the background and aftermath about this... The solid facts that I got from reading the report are: 1. There was definitely a cry for help, recorded on the tape 2. Witnesses seeing one man on top of another, throwing punches 3. Martin's autopsy reports that Martin had a small abrasion on his left ring finger, a gunshot to the chest at close range, and no other injuries. The fact that Martin had physical injury (ie bruises, cuts) leads me to believe that it was a one sided fight where Martin was attacking Zimmerman, that Zimmerman was definitely crying out for help, and that Zimmerman retaliated in self-defence. Other smaller details/questions also seem to support this, ie - Why would Martin go back and confront Zimmerman? If he feels that Zimmerman is a threat why not run home?
- Martin is on his third disciplinary suspension from his high school.
- Martin passed a lie detector where he was asked if he was in fear for his life when he shot the gun (ie self defense); of course, lie detectors can be deceived but this is still a good detail
Yep, gotta agree with this. Logic in regard to the injuries points to Trayvon being on top in th fight which makes Zimmerman's claim of self-defence look pretty sound. Unfortunately some people seem to have had a very close-minded agenda of portraying Zimmerman as a racist lunatic since day one and ignore anything that might contradict that. The next thing they'll be saying is that this picture was photoshopped. Edit- Yep, didn't take them long: http://americanlivewire.com/george-zimmerman-photoshopped/ Uh saltywet. Have you got martin and zimmerman the wrong way around? Zimmerman is a racist lunatic. You only need the recording to justify that. If you confront someone aggressively, you have every right to attack them in self defence ( Martin was clearly running away, and Zimmerman was chasing him). Also Zimmerman used beyond reasonable force in the fight, he got a punch to the lip, and he needed to pull out a gun and shoot the guy? Its Zimmermans own damn fault for confronting Martin. The voice recording tells all, whatever story Zimmerman tells, whether or its sound or not, is plain wrong and adds nothing to the debate. Its obviously murder, plain and simple. I would love to see proof of the bolded text. Good luck, you won't find any. Oh yes, clearly just a, "punch to the lip" after seeing his bloody and doctor diagnosed closed fracture of the nose (but you're an expert on broken noses) and a long gash across the back of his head. Dude, sluggaslamoo is going to the trial to present his evidence, he actually does know what hes talking about, and hes going to flip this trial upside down. Sluggaslamoo for broken nose expert / pro-evidence gatherer / prosecutor! Explain this On December 05 2012 03:27 sluggaslamoo wrote:Here shows he has no swelling after being released, it is impossible to have a broken swelling nose and then look perfectly fine an hour later. Sorry but listen to the recording. Martin took 2 minutes because he had no idea someone was stalking him (a.k.a he was walking, walking for 2 minutes doesn't get you very far). After Zimmerman dropped the phone, he chased after him, that's when Martin would try to run away. He chased after him and confronted him and is a racist obviously because LISTEN TO THE FUCKING RECORDING. the photo with the blood was released by the police/district attorney. are you suggesting that the police/district attorney have doctored the photo to support zimmerman's defense?
I'm suggesting that the defense is exaggerating their claims. Both are from the same time period. I can get a cut lip or a bloody nose and look terrible, but be perfectly fine. Why are you not showing both photos?
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Looks like a post from someone who is so stubbornly ignorant they think they can tell more from a low quality photo showing someone who has received care from paramedics and been cleaned up than a doctor can from a medical examination.
"Zimmerman was diagnosed with a closed fracture of his nose, a pair of black eyes, two lacerations to the back of his head and a minor back injury."
http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-medical-report-sheds-light-injuries-trayvon/story?id=16353532
Why you are allowed to continue spreading lies, misinformation, and conspiracy theories despite the mod warning at the top of the thread baffles me. I suppose the warning must not apply to anti-Zimmerman hate crusaders, even when they say the most vitriolic and hateful lies possible.
User was warned for this post
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On December 05 2012 06:18 mortonm wrote:Looks like a post from someone who is so stubbornly ignorant they think they can tell more from a low quality photo showing someone who has received care from paramedics and been cleaned up than a doctor can from a medical examination. "Zimmerman was diagnosed with a closed fracture of his nose, a pair of black eyes, two lacerations to the back of his head and a minor back injury."http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-medical-report-sheds-light-injuries-trayvon/story?id=16353532Why you are allowed to continue spreading lies, misinformation, and conspiracy theories despite the mod warning at the top of the thread baffles me. I suppose the warning must not apply to anti-Zimmerman hate crusaders, even when they say the most vitriolic and hateful lies possible.
Diagnosed by his family physician. I can get my doctor to write a medical certificate so I can get an extension to a test without actually being sick.
Your video says.
"The medical reports show that his injuries were not severe enough to be hospitalized or require stitches"
Also, it shows that he did not request medical support, and shows a video of him an hour later where the bleeding on the back of his head was almost non-apparent (if at all).
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Why are people still talking about this incident as if they know something?
It's become more and more obvious over time that nobody actually knows what happened. Not even the police.
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On December 05 2012 05:43 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 05:38 hinnolinn wrote:On December 05 2012 05:34 dAPhREAk wrote:On December 05 2012 05:26 hinnolinn wrote:On December 05 2012 05:22 dAPhREAk wrote:On December 05 2012 04:08 phrenzy wrote:On December 05 2012 03:52 Anesthetic wrote:
Im not talking about the events that happened before. Im talking about the actual mindset that you get when you fight (especially if you dont fight that often). For me and most people I know that have been in fights it becomes pure animalistic brutality to the point where you dont think and just try to inflict as much harm as you can to the other person( this can be changed with proper training/more experience but it doesnt sound to me that zimmerman had that training/experience). I don't understand that logic. If i start a fight, and think they might kill or seriously harm me, its ok for me to kill them? in certain circumstances, yes. I'd guess that the only circumstance that this would be okay legally would be if they were in the middle of committing a crime, which would be difficult to prove in this case. thats not what i was referring to, but i believe your example is also accurate. if you initiate a confrontation and they escalate it then it could be appropriate to use lethal force. the jury instruction is in the op. At that point it should be on him to prove that lethal force was necessary. normally it is considered an affirmative defense (defendant must prove), but not under Florida law.
It feels to me that he was wounded enough that he had reasonable belief his life was in danger.
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On December 05 2012 06:18 sluggaslamoo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 06:12 dAPhREAk wrote:On December 05 2012 06:07 sluggaslamoo wrote:On December 05 2012 04:06 PanN wrote:On December 05 2012 04:04 Romantic wrote:On December 05 2012 03:27 sluggaslamoo wrote:On December 04 2012 23:26 tomatriedes wrote:On December 04 2012 23:10 saltywet wrote:Okay, this is the first time I read about this and I just spent the last hour reading about the background and aftermath about this... The solid facts that I got from reading the report are: 1. There was definitely a cry for help, recorded on the tape 2. Witnesses seeing one man on top of another, throwing punches 3. Martin's autopsy reports that Martin had a small abrasion on his left ring finger, a gunshot to the chest at close range, and no other injuries. The fact that Martin had physical injury (ie bruises, cuts) leads me to believe that it was a one sided fight where Martin was attacking Zimmerman, that Zimmerman was definitely crying out for help, and that Zimmerman retaliated in self-defence. Other smaller details/questions also seem to support this, ie - Why would Martin go back and confront Zimmerman? If he feels that Zimmerman is a threat why not run home?
- Martin is on his third disciplinary suspension from his high school.
- Martin passed a lie detector where he was asked if he was in fear for his life when he shot the gun (ie self defense); of course, lie detectors can be deceived but this is still a good detail
Yep, gotta agree with this. Logic in regard to the injuries points to Trayvon being on top in th fight which makes Zimmerman's claim of self-defence look pretty sound. Unfortunately some people seem to have had a very close-minded agenda of portraying Zimmerman as a racist lunatic since day one and ignore anything that might contradict that. The next thing they'll be saying is that this picture was photoshopped. Edit- Yep, didn't take them long: http://americanlivewire.com/george-zimmerman-photoshopped/ Uh saltywet. Have you got martin and zimmerman the wrong way around? Zimmerman is a racist lunatic. You only need the recording to justify that. If you confront someone aggressively, you have every right to attack them in self defence ( Martin was clearly running away, and Zimmerman was chasing him). Also Zimmerman used beyond reasonable force in the fight, he got a punch to the lip, and he needed to pull out a gun and shoot the guy? Its Zimmermans own damn fault for confronting Martin. The voice recording tells all, whatever story Zimmerman tells, whether or its sound or not, is plain wrong and adds nothing to the debate. Its obviously murder, plain and simple. I would love to see proof of the bolded text. Good luck, you won't find any. Oh yes, clearly just a, "punch to the lip" after seeing his bloody and doctor diagnosed closed fracture of the nose (but you're an expert on broken noses) and a long gash across the back of his head. Dude, sluggaslamoo is going to the trial to present his evidence, he actually does know what hes talking about, and hes going to flip this trial upside down. Sluggaslamoo for broken nose expert / pro-evidence gatherer / prosecutor! Explain this On December 05 2012 03:27 sluggaslamoo wrote:Here shows he has no swelling after being released, it is impossible to have a broken swelling nose and then look perfectly fine an hour later. Sorry but listen to the recording. Martin took 2 minutes because he had no idea someone was stalking him (a.k.a he was walking, walking for 2 minutes doesn't get you very far). After Zimmerman dropped the phone, he chased after him, that's when Martin would try to run away. He chased after him and confronted him and is a racist obviously because LISTEN TO THE FUCKING RECORDING. the photo with the blood was released by the police/district attorney. are you suggesting that the police/district attorney have doctored the photo to support zimmerman's defense? I'm suggesting that the defense is exaggerating their claims. Both are from the same time period. I can get a cut lip or a bloody nose and look terrible, but be perfectly fine. Why are you not showing both photos?
are you referring to me personally? because i have posted both photos as well as hundreds of other photos. this is at the top of the list because its recent news.
if you are referring to the defense instead, they are only showing this photo because its the newest release by the DA.
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On December 05 2012 06:07 sluggaslamoo wrote:
Martin took 2 minutes because he had no idea someone was stalking him (a.k.a he was walking, walking for 2 minutes doesn't get you very far). After Zimmerman dropped the phone, he chased after him, that's when Martin would try to run away. He chased after him and confronted him and is a racist obviously because LISTEN TO THE FUCKING RECORDING.
What?!?
Dear god, please stop telling such outrageous lies. This is very evil of you.
Trayvon had identified someone was following him when Zimmerman was still on the phone. He ran away. This is also confirmed by the girlfriend, who says Trayvon had mentioned he was being followed.
"At 2:38 Zimmerman says “He ran” and apparently lost sight of Martin."
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"George Zimmerman loses sight of Trayvon Martin at 2:38 of the call, or about 7:13:50. Martin has until 7:16 to cover the “few dozen yards” to make it to the safety of Brandy Green’s residence. Zimmerman remains on the phone until 7:15:24. Martin’s girlfriend said the phone call went “dead” at 7:16, but Martin and Zimmerman were already exchanging words. According to Martin’s girlfriend, the conversation was initiated by Martin. The window between the end of Zimmerman’s call to the SPD and the meeting is brief. Really brief."
http://floppingaces.net/2012/04/03/the-martinzimmerman-timeline-reader-post/
So:
1. Trayvon had two full minutes to put distance between himself and Zimmerman
2. Trayvon was only a few dozen yards from home, a distance easily covered in two minutes
3. Less than 30 seconds after Zimmerman's call ended Trayvon spoke to him, demonstrating that Trayvon was either waiting for him or had doubled back.
Your fake fantasy delusions are quite literally impossible. Stop telling lies. Stop spreading misinformation. Stop letting hatred cloud your judgement.
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On December 05 2012 06:31 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 05:43 dAPhREAk wrote:On December 05 2012 05:38 hinnolinn wrote:On December 05 2012 05:34 dAPhREAk wrote:On December 05 2012 05:26 hinnolinn wrote:On December 05 2012 05:22 dAPhREAk wrote:On December 05 2012 04:08 phrenzy wrote:On December 05 2012 03:52 Anesthetic wrote:
Im not talking about the events that happened before. Im talking about the actual mindset that you get when you fight (especially if you dont fight that often). For me and most people I know that have been in fights it becomes pure animalistic brutality to the point where you dont think and just try to inflict as much harm as you can to the other person( this can be changed with proper training/more experience but it doesnt sound to me that zimmerman had that training/experience). I don't understand that logic. If i start a fight, and think they might kill or seriously harm me, its ok for me to kill them? in certain circumstances, yes. I'd guess that the only circumstance that this would be okay legally would be if they were in the middle of committing a crime, which would be difficult to prove in this case. thats not what i was referring to, but i believe your example is also accurate. if you initiate a confrontation and they escalate it then it could be appropriate to use lethal force. the jury instruction is in the op. At that point it should be on him to prove that lethal force was necessary. normally it is considered an affirmative defense (defendant must prove), but not under Florida law. It feels to me that he was wounded enough that he had reasonable belief his life was in danger.
I think part of that comes down to the fact that a lot of people are jaded about real injuries from TV and movies. They don't understand what real violence looks or feels like, how hard it is to do certain types of damage with your bare hands.
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On December 05 2012 06:19 sluggaslamoo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 06:18 mortonm wrote:Looks like a post from someone who is so stubbornly ignorant they think they can tell more from a low quality photo showing someone who has received care from paramedics and been cleaned up than a doctor can from a medical examination. "Zimmerman was diagnosed with a closed fracture of his nose, a pair of black eyes, two lacerations to the back of his head and a minor back injury."http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-medical-report-sheds-light-injuries-trayvon/story?id=16353532Why you are allowed to continue spreading lies, misinformation, and conspiracy theories despite the mod warning at the top of the thread baffles me. I suppose the warning must not apply to anti-Zimmerman hate crusaders, even when they say the most vitriolic and hateful lies possible. Diagnosed by his family physician. I can get my doctor to write a medical certificate so I can get an extension to a test without actually being sick. Your video says. "The medical reports show that his injuries were not severe enough to be hospitalized or require stitches" Also, it shows that he did not request medical support, and shows a video of him an hour later where the bleeding on the back of his head was almost non-apparent (if at all).
Yes because his doctor is likely to make up medical diagnoses after learning his patient was involved in a fight during which he shot a man causing death. That couldn't possibly be subject to scrutiny, could it? That's totally the same as some local GP giving you a medical certificate for a day off...
You can't just make these outlandish claims to suit your particular view. You should pursue a job writing for shows like Today Tonight and A Current Affair, they'd suit your style of sensationalist nonsense.
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On December 05 2012 07:00 sluggaslamoo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 06:35 mortonm wrote:On December 05 2012 06:07 sluggaslamoo wrote:
Martin took 2 minutes because he had no idea someone was stalking him (a.k.a he was walking, walking for 2 minutes doesn't get you very far). After Zimmerman dropped the phone, he chased after him, that's when Martin would try to run away. He chased after him and confronted him and is a racist obviously because LISTEN TO THE FUCKING RECORDING. What?!? Dear god, please stop telling such outrageous lies. This is very evil of you. Trayvon had identified someone was following him when Zimmerman was still on the phone. He ran away. This is also confirmed by the girlfriend, who says Trayvon had mentioned he was being followed. "At 2:38 Zimmerman says “He ran” and apparently lost sight of Martin."
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"George Zimmerman loses sight of Trayvon Martin at 2:38 of the call, or about 7:13:50. Martin has until 7:16 to cover the “few dozen yards” to make it to the safety of Brandy Green’s residence. Zimmerman remains on the phone until 7:15:24. Martin’s girlfriend said the phone call went “dead” at 7:16, but Martin and Zimmerman were already exchanging words. According to Martin’s girlfriend, the conversation was initiated by Martin. The window between the end of Zimmerman’s call to the SPD and the meeting is brief. Really brief."http://floppingaces.net/2012/04/03/the-martinzimmerman-timeline-reader-post/So: 1. Trayvon had two full minutes to put distance between himself and Zimmerman 2. Trayvon was only a few dozen yards from home, a distance easily covered in two minutes 3. Less than 30 seconds after Zimmerman's call ended Trayvon spoke to him, demonstrating that Trayvon was either waiting for him or had doubled back. Your fake fantasy delusions are quite literally impossible. Stop telling lies. Stop spreading misinformation. Stop letting hatred cloud your judgement. "He got away" "Are you following him?" "Yep" "Ok we don't need you to do that" *Chases after him anyway
Again, you are just telling lies. The audio recording shows Zimmerman stopped pursuing.
"Zimmerman says “OK” and the rustling ends at 2:42."
And I feel again I should point out your deluded fantasy can't possibly fit into the known timeline. You are making a lot of lies up and when one is shot down you apparently just jump to a new lie.
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On December 05 2012 06:35 mortonm wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 06:07 sluggaslamoo wrote:
Martin took 2 minutes because he had no idea someone was stalking him (a.k.a he was walking, walking for 2 minutes doesn't get you very far). After Zimmerman dropped the phone, he chased after him, that's when Martin would try to run away. He chased after him and confronted him and is a racist obviously because LISTEN TO THE FUCKING RECORDING. What?!? Dear god, please stop telling such outrageous lies. This is very evil of you. Trayvon had identified someone was following him when Zimmerman was still on the phone. He ran away. This is also confirmed by the girlfriend, who says Trayvon had mentioned he was being followed. "At 2:38 Zimmerman says “He ran” and apparently lost sight of Martin."
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"George Zimmerman loses sight of Trayvon Martin at 2:38 of the call, or about 7:13:50. Martin has until 7:16 to cover the “few dozen yards” to make it to the safety of Brandy Green’s residence. Zimmerman remains on the phone until 7:15:24. Martin’s girlfriend said the phone call went “dead” at 7:16, but Martin and Zimmerman were already exchanging words. According to Martin’s girlfriend, the conversation was initiated by Martin. The window between the end of Zimmerman’s call to the SPD and the meeting is brief. Really brief."http://floppingaces.net/2012/04/03/the-martinzimmerman-timeline-reader-post/So: 1. Trayvon had two full minutes to put distance between himself and Zimmerman 2. Trayvon was only a few dozen yards from home, a distance easily covered in two minutes 3. Less than 30 seconds after Zimmerman's call ended Trayvon spoke to him, demonstrating that Trayvon was either waiting for him or had doubled back. Your fake fantasy delusions are quite literally impossible. Stop telling lies. Stop spreading misinformation. Stop letting hatred cloud your judgement.
After listening to the recording one more time. Martin does stop to inspect (maybe because he is being followed), walks closer, but then he runs away. Martins call with his girlfiend showed martin was worried about being followed as you said
Zimmermans call with police after listening again.
"He got away"
"Are you following him?"
"Yep"
"Ok we don't need you to do that"
*Chases after him anyway (you can hear him running)
On December 05 2012 06:38 Brett wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 06:19 sluggaslamoo wrote:On December 05 2012 06:18 mortonm wrote:Looks like a post from someone who is so stubbornly ignorant they think they can tell more from a low quality photo showing someone who has received care from paramedics and been cleaned up than a doctor can from a medical examination. "Zimmerman was diagnosed with a closed fracture of his nose, a pair of black eyes, two lacerations to the back of his head and a minor back injury."http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-medical-report-sheds-light-injuries-trayvon/story?id=16353532Why you are allowed to continue spreading lies, misinformation, and conspiracy theories despite the mod warning at the top of the thread baffles me. I suppose the warning must not apply to anti-Zimmerman hate crusaders, even when they say the most vitriolic and hateful lies possible. Diagnosed by his family physician. I can get my doctor to write a medical certificate so I can get an extension to a test without actually being sick. Your video says. "The medical reports show that his injuries were not severe enough to be hospitalized or require stitches" Also, it shows that he did not request medical support, and shows a video of him an hour later where the bleeding on the back of his head was almost non-apparent (if at all). Yes because his doctor is likely to make up medical diagnoses after learning his patient was involved in a fight during which he shot a man causing death. That couldn't possibly be subject to scrutiny, could it? That's totally the same as some local GP giving you a medical certificate for a day off... You can't just make these outlandish claims to suit your particular view. You should pursue a job writing for shows like Today Tonight and A Current Affair, they'd suit your style of sensationalist nonsense.
There are no outlandish claims, and everything is subject interpretation. mortonm tried to send me evidence that he was badly beaten, and his video explained that it was far from that. He owned himself.
Zimmerman could have twisted the story to gain sympathy for himself. I don't know anyone who would straight up tell his doctor that he killed someone. If he told his doctor he thought his nose was broken, the doctor would probably write that down. I've had that happen a couple times. A closed fracture also cannot be properly confirmed without an x-ray, we don't know if his doctor just speculated that, or that it was confirmed. He refused a follow up appointment for his nose with a specialist, so it is likely that this may not have been confirmed.
He also did not need stitches, and did not suffer any form of concussion.
What the defense brings up in a court-case is obviously going to be misconstrued as much as possible.
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On December 05 2012 07:12 sluggaslamoo wrote:
"He got away"
"Are you following him?"
"Yep"
"Ok we don't need you to do that"
*Chases after him anyway (you can hear him running)
Your move
Do you think if you keep telling this same lie that it will come true?
911 call shows Zimmerman stopped following Martin after dispatcher’s request, corroborates story
"At 2:26, the dispatcher says, “Okay, we don’t need you to do that,” to which Zimmerman responds, “Okay.”
"Zimmerman proceeds to give the dispatcher his name. Then he says, “He ran.”
"Zimmerman can still be heard breathing into the phone until about 2:39, at which point the heavy breathing stops entirely, a mere 13 seconds after the dispatcher asked him to stop following. A very calm and collected Zimmerman then proceeds to give the dispatcher his own information, directions and a description of his location for another 1 minute and 33 seconds.
"The difference between someone running while on the phone and not running can be heard quite clearly, and I encourage readers to listen for themselves."
http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/02/911-call-shows-zimmerman-stopped-following-martin-after-dispatchers-request-corroborates-story/
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Honestly, I don't know enough about this case to say anything conclusive, but regardless of what the fuck was going on, the situation is:
A guy is chasing a guy he doesn't know because he looks suspicious
The guy who is chasing has a gun
The guy who was getting chased got shot
Regardless of judicial precedent for guilt and sentencing, that sequence of events is fucked up.
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On December 05 2012 05:52 Enzymatic wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 05:37 mortonm wrote:On December 05 2012 05:33 hinnolinn wrote:
It is perfectly reasonable to believe that Zimmerman assaulted Trayvon, there's no proof at all for battery though. No, that is incredibly unreasonable given the evidence. All evidence that has been released contradicts such a belief. What is your reasoning for your beliefs? These arm-chair defense lawyers in this thread are starting to get a bit irritating.
oh ya bro, lets go head to head on bird law
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On December 05 2012 07:19 mortonm wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 07:12 sluggaslamoo wrote:
"He got away"
"Are you following him?"
"Yep"
"Ok we don't need you to do that"
*Chases after him anyway (you can hear him running)
Your move Do you think if you keep telling this same lie that it will come true? 911 call shows Zimmerman stopped following Martin after dispatcher’s request, corroborates story"At 2:26, the dispatcher says, “Okay, we don’t need you to do that,” to which Zimmerman responds, “Okay.”
"Zimmerman proceeds to give the dispatcher his name. Then he says, “He ran.”
"Zimmerman can still be heard breathing into the phone until about 2:39, at which point the heavy breathing stops entirely, a mere 13 seconds after the dispatcher asked him to stop following. A very calm and collected Zimmerman then proceeds to give the dispatcher his own information, directions and a description of his location for another 1 minute and 33 seconds.
"The difference between someone running while on the phone and not running can be heard quite clearly, and I encourage readers to listen for themselves."http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/02/911-call-shows-zimmerman-stopped-following-martin-after-dispatchers-request-corroborates-story/
Sorry but there is no evidence to say that Zimmerman did not try to find Martin after the call, what he said and what he did are 2 different things. Speculation on one of your articles suggests that Martin tried to initiate the contact, but Zimmerman's motives say otherwise.
Martin did not have to keep running, and he was allowed to hide. The call does not prove that Zimmerman actually went back to the car, only that he said okay to the police orders, which is what I'd expect most people would do.
This is suspicious
He did not know the address of where he parked his car, but that it was in a "cut-through".
He was unwilling to give any of his personal details.
This makes it really difficult to justify either way what exactly what was happening during and after the call, just because he was saying stuff doesn't mean it was true. However it is really easy to tell that he was actively looking for trouble just from the dialogue.
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I feel like a broken record here, but your delusional fantasies are impossible given the known timeline of events.
To make matters worse you have no consistent story and change your lies from one post to the next. Unfortunately for you no matter how you bend and twist, no amount of lies can make the publicly available evidence disappear.
"George Zimmerman loses sight of Trayvon Martin at 2:38 of the call, or about 7:13:50. Martin has until 7:16 to cover the “few dozen yards” to make it to the safety of Brandy Green’s residence. Zimmerman remains on the phone until 7:15:24. Martin’s girlfriend said the phone call went “dead” at 7:16, but Martin and Zimmerman were already exchanging words. According to Martin’s girlfriend, the conversation was initiated by Martin. The window between the end of Zimmerman’s call to the SPD and the meeting is brief. Really brief.
"Martin had over two minutes to reach Green residence. Why didn’t he go there? This suggests strongly that Martin did not go to the Green residence, but instead hid somewhere, waiting for Zimmerman, and then confronted Zimmerman. Martin spoke first to Zimmerman, not the other way around."
http://floppingaces.net/2012/04/03/the-martinzimmerman-timeline-reader-post/
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