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On May 16 2012 08:04 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
There is a lot more to that case than all of the bias journalism will have you believe. I've read the debunking of the story and it's pretty ridiculous. If memory serves, she perused him to another home, after he fled, with a weapon and fired a "warning shot," not straight up, but into a room with their 2 children towards his head. She had been ordered not to see him by the police and she still did so. She had met up with him about something else to try and work out how to avoid punishment for another crime or something too. If you dig around a bit I'm sure you can find it, but it's just bad, sensationalist journalism again.
edit: This is referring to Defacer's "news story."
Ahh, thanks for the update.
In any case, maybe the State Attorney knows something about the Trayvon Martin case we don't, or is very confident that they can debunk George Zimmerman's account of events.
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So, in light of the autopsy showing that Trayvon had no injuries aside from damaging his knuckles while viciously assaulting Zimmerman, does anyone wish to express regret for jumping to conclusions?
The silence of all the self-righteous social crusaders who were previously expressing their outrage is deafening.
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Supposedly there is some inconsistency in Zman's story. He claimed that at some point Martin was covering his mouth, which I assume will be turned into a "well either he is lying and his mouth was never covered and what else is he lying about hmmmm? or he couldn't have been the one screaming for help because his mouth was covered so that means he was the one that was really attacking or had the upper hand on Martin and didnt need to shoot him."
Notwithstanding the fact that just because your mouth was covered at some point in the fight obviously means you were screaming for help at that point in the fight.
Also apparently Zman made some claims in the timeline or structure of events he reported to police but didnt tell the dispatcher, which don't necessarily jive with his actions. Supposedly he told the police that Martin circled his SUV, never mentioned it to the dispatcher. COULD have been the "acting suspicious.....hand in waistband". Apparently he told police this made him afraid, but then why get out after him on foot if he was afraid and suspicious that Martin was armed?
Who knows. It will all wash out in court. I think if they get a jury that isn't afraid of starting a riot there is no way murder2 can be upheld.
// when i say inconsistency in the story, i don't mean that Zman is changing his story. It's more that there is some stuff that doesn't necessarily make sense. He's never changed his story in multiple interviews which is in itself... something.
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On May 17 2012 16:50 dogabutila wrote:
Supposedly there is some inconsistency in Zman's story. He claimed that at some point Martin was covering his mouth, which I assume will be turned into a "well either he is lying and his mouth was never covered and what else is he lying about hmmmm? or he couldn't have been the one screaming for help because his mouth was covered so that means he was the one that was really attacking or had the upper hand on Martin and didnt need to shoot him."
Notwithstanding the fact that just because your mouth was covered at some point in the fight obviously means you were screaming for help at that point in the fight.
Also apparently Zman made some claims in the timeline or structure of events he reported to police but didnt tell the dispatcher, which don't necessarily jive with his actions. Supposedly he told the police that Martin circled his SUV, never mentioned it to the dispatcher. COULD have been the "acting suspicious.....hand in waistband". Apparently he told police this made him afraid, but then why get out after him on foot if he was afraid and suspicious that Martin was armed?
Who knows. It will all wash out in court. I think if they get a jury that isn't afraid of starting a riot there is no way murder2 can be upheld.
// when i say inconsistency in the story, i don't mean that Zman is changing his story. It's more that there is some stuff that doesn't necessarily make sense. He's never changed his story in multiple interviews which is in itself... something.
Uh... you can have your mouth covered and then uncovered. Alternatively, someone could be trying to cover your mouth and not be doing a good job.
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On May 16 2012 21:52 Zaqwe wrote:
So, in light of the autopsy showing that Trayvon had no injuries aside from damaging his knuckles while viciously assaulting Zimmerman, does anyone wish to express regret for jumping to conclusions?
The silence of all the self-righteous social crusaders who were previously expressing their outrage is deafening.
You are doing the same thing as them by saying it was a vicious assault.
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On May 17 2012 16:59 Romantic wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2012 16:50 dogabutila wrote:
Supposedly there is some inconsistency in Zman's story. He claimed that at some point Martin was covering his mouth, which I assume will be turned into a "well either he is lying and his mouth was never covered and what else is he lying about hmmmm? or he couldn't have been the one screaming for help because his mouth was covered so that means he was the one that was really attacking or had the upper hand on Martin and didnt need to shoot him."
Notwithstanding the fact that just because your mouth was covered at some point in the fight obviously means you were screaming for help at that point in the fight.
Also apparently Zman made some claims in the timeline or structure of events he reported to police but didnt tell the dispatcher, which don't necessarily jive with his actions. Supposedly he told the police that Martin circled his SUV, never mentioned it to the dispatcher. COULD have been the "acting suspicious.....hand in waistband". Apparently he told police this made him afraid, but then why get out after him on foot if he was afraid and suspicious that Martin was armed?
Who knows. It will all wash out in court. I think if they get a jury that isn't afraid of starting a riot there is no way murder2 can be upheld.
// when i say inconsistency in the story, i don't mean that Zman is changing his story. It's more that there is some stuff that doesn't necessarily make sense. He's never changed his story in multiple interviews which is in itself... something. Uh... you can have your mouth covered and then uncovered. Alternatively, someone could be trying to cover your mouth and not be doing a good job.
Read that bold part bro. I just pointed out what prosc will attempt to argue.
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ive been following this case closely and with great interest ever since in it came up and
i would really like do applaud daphreaks coverage of the surrounding events. especially
in such a non-biased way. there are too many people who will voice their outrage one
way or the other with no fundamental knowledge to back up their claims. seemingly just
to have said something at all or jumping on the bandwagon ( which predominantly means
hating on the zman). im always amazed how people can make such definite calls and
judgements on incidents that first of all completely fail to touch them on a personal level
and secondly how everyone seems so gung-ho on chiming in but lacking the knowledge
of even the basic facts surrounding the incident (ie spouting oneliners about zman not
sporting any injuries at all- while it was later established that he suffered quite a number)
especially with even the news now being an unreliabele as well as seemingly biased source
of information.
just serves to remind us to always be critical of the info we are presented with.
good job man and keep it up. i suppose its a little more difficult
for me as a european to get all the info on this issue and given the fact that im reluctant
to trust most of the media outlets on the internet (which are my main source of info though)
its nice to have a frequently updated thread such as this with coverage i feel i can trust at
least to a certain extent.
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Trayvon Martin family lawyers: Stop the leaks–release all the records in Zimmerman case
The attorney for Trayvon Martin's parents is calling for all of the documents related to the death of their son be released, rather than what he says are strategic leaks of records intended to benefit the defense of George Zimmerman, who is charged with killing Martin.
Attorney Benjamin Crump said on Wednesday he wants "full transparency" in the case, after several news outlets--including ABC, NBC and CNN -- were given access to a sealed medical examiner's report on Martin.
"It was leaked for a beneficial purpose, certainly to help George Zimmerman's claim of self-defense," Crump said. "This report needs to be vetted with a keen eye."
"You have to look at this in the full context," he continued. "George Zimmerman made the decision to get out of his car, profile Trayvon Martin, pursue Trayvon Martin and confront him."
According to NBC News, the multi-page autopsy says that Martin was "killed by a penetrating gunshot wound to the chest," with the entrance wound "located on his left chest 17 inches below the head. The single bullet passed directly from the front to the back, through his lungs, creating perforations." The only injuries to Martin are from the gunshot and to one knuckle, "a quarter-inch to one-eighth inch abrasion on the fourth finger in the ring area."
The gunshot wound entrance was from a bullet fired from "intermediate range," or two-to-four inches, "a soot ring abrasion and a two-inch by two-inch area of stippling" on his body.
Earlier this week, medical records leaked to ABC News showed Zimmerman likely suffered a broken nose, black eyes and an abrasion on the back of head.
Zimmerman's lawyer, Mark O'Mara, said he may seek a dismissal of the second degree murder charges against his client under Florida's "Stand Your Ground" Law.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/trayvon-martin-family-lawyers-stop-leaks-release-records-152333240.html
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and doth said the kettle to the pot: you are black!
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On May 18 2012 02:38 dAPhREAk wrote:Trayvon Martin family lawyers: Stop the leaks–release all the records in Zimmerman case Show nested quote +The attorney for Trayvon Martin's parents is calling for all of the documents related to the death of their son be released, rather than what he says are strategic leaks of records intended to benefit the defense of George Zimmerman, who is charged with killing Martin.
Attorney Benjamin Crump said on Wednesday he wants "full transparency" in the case, after several news outlets--including ABC, NBC and CNN -- were given access to a sealed medical examiner's report on Martin.
"It was leaked for a beneficial purpose, certainly to help George Zimmerman's claim of self-defense," Crump said. "This report needs to be vetted with a keen eye."
"You have to look at this in the full context," he continued. "George Zimmerman made the decision to get out of his car, profile Trayvon Martin, pursue Trayvon Martin and confront him."
According to NBC News, the multi-page autopsy says that Martin was "killed by a penetrating gunshot wound to the chest," with the entrance wound "located on his left chest 17 inches below the head. The single bullet passed directly from the front to the back, through his lungs, creating perforations." The only injuries to Martin are from the gunshot and to one knuckle, "a quarter-inch to one-eighth inch abrasion on the fourth finger in the ring area."
The gunshot wound entrance was from a bullet fired from "intermediate range," or two-to-four inches, "a soot ring abrasion and a two-inch by two-inch area of stippling" on his body.
Earlier this week, medical records leaked to ABC News showed Zimmerman likely suffered a broken nose, black eyes and an abrasion on the back of head.
Zimmerman's lawyer, Mark O'Mara, said he may seek a dismissal of the second degree murder charges against his client under Florida's "Stand Your Ground" Law. http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/trayvon-martin-family-lawyers-stop-leaks-release-records-152333240.html
Quite frankly, their point is irrelevant unless they can prove Trayvon had some reason to believe he was in danger (i.e. Zimmerman had his gun out, or visible, or was in some way threatened him, at the time of the confrontation) If he didn't, then it doesn't matter how black Trayvon is, nor how white Zimmerman is, you can't call it murder.
I can "profile" people all day. I can stand on a street corner and go up to every single black person I see, day or night, and ask what they're doing. It's not illegal. To think it is, is insane.
Right now, there's plenty of proof Zimmerman acted in self-defense. Where is the proof that he approached Trayvon in a threatening way?
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On May 18 2012 03:06 Felnarion wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2012 02:38 dAPhREAk wrote:Trayvon Martin family lawyers: Stop the leaks–release all the records in Zimmerman case The attorney for Trayvon Martin's parents is calling for all of the documents related to the death of their son be released, rather than what he says are strategic leaks of records intended to benefit the defense of George Zimmerman, who is charged with killing Martin.
Attorney Benjamin Crump said on Wednesday he wants "full transparency" in the case, after several news outlets--including ABC, NBC and CNN -- were given access to a sealed medical examiner's report on Martin.
"It was leaked for a beneficial purpose, certainly to help George Zimmerman's claim of self-defense," Crump said. "This report needs to be vetted with a keen eye."
"You have to look at this in the full context," he continued. "George Zimmerman made the decision to get out of his car, profile Trayvon Martin, pursue Trayvon Martin and confront him."
According to NBC News, the multi-page autopsy says that Martin was "killed by a penetrating gunshot wound to the chest," with the entrance wound "located on his left chest 17 inches below the head. The single bullet passed directly from the front to the back, through his lungs, creating perforations." The only injuries to Martin are from the gunshot and to one knuckle, "a quarter-inch to one-eighth inch abrasion on the fourth finger in the ring area."
The gunshot wound entrance was from a bullet fired from "intermediate range," or two-to-four inches, "a soot ring abrasion and a two-inch by two-inch area of stippling" on his body.
Earlier this week, medical records leaked to ABC News showed Zimmerman likely suffered a broken nose, black eyes and an abrasion on the back of head.
Zimmerman's lawyer, Mark O'Mara, said he may seek a dismissal of the second degree murder charges against his client under Florida's "Stand Your Ground" Law. http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/trayvon-martin-family-lawyers-stop-leaks-release-records-152333240.html Quite frankly, their point is irrelevant unless they can prove Trayvon had some reason to believe he was in danger (i.e. Zimmerman had his gun out, or visible, or was in some way threatened him, at the time of the confrontation) If he didn't, then it doesn't matter how black Trayvon is, nor how white Zimmerman is, you can't call it murder. I can "profile" people all day. I can stand on a street corner and go up to every single black person I see, day or night, and ask what they're doing. It's not illegal. To think it is, is insane. Right now, there's plenty of proof Zimmerman acted in self-defense. Where is the proof that he approached Trayvon in a threatening way?
Huh? A small wound on one of Trayvon's knuckles is "plenty of proof" that Zimmerman was acting in self defense? Is there something I'm missing?
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On May 18 2012 03:26 Blennd wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2012 03:06 Felnarion wrote:On May 18 2012 02:38 dAPhREAk wrote:Trayvon Martin family lawyers: Stop the leaks–release all the records in Zimmerman case The attorney for Trayvon Martin's parents is calling for all of the documents related to the death of their son be released, rather than what he says are strategic leaks of records intended to benefit the defense of George Zimmerman, who is charged with killing Martin.
Attorney Benjamin Crump said on Wednesday he wants "full transparency" in the case, after several news outlets--including ABC, NBC and CNN -- were given access to a sealed medical examiner's report on Martin.
"It was leaked for a beneficial purpose, certainly to help George Zimmerman's claim of self-defense," Crump said. "This report needs to be vetted with a keen eye."
"You have to look at this in the full context," he continued. "George Zimmerman made the decision to get out of his car, profile Trayvon Martin, pursue Trayvon Martin and confront him."
According to NBC News, the multi-page autopsy says that Martin was "killed by a penetrating gunshot wound to the chest," with the entrance wound "located on his left chest 17 inches below the head. The single bullet passed directly from the front to the back, through his lungs, creating perforations." The only injuries to Martin are from the gunshot and to one knuckle, "a quarter-inch to one-eighth inch abrasion on the fourth finger in the ring area."
The gunshot wound entrance was from a bullet fired from "intermediate range," or two-to-four inches, "a soot ring abrasion and a two-inch by two-inch area of stippling" on his body.
Earlier this week, medical records leaked to ABC News showed Zimmerman likely suffered a broken nose, black eyes and an abrasion on the back of head.
Zimmerman's lawyer, Mark O'Mara, said he may seek a dismissal of the second degree murder charges against his client under Florida's "Stand Your Ground" Law. http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/trayvon-martin-family-lawyers-stop-leaks-release-records-152333240.html Quite frankly, their point is irrelevant unless they can prove Trayvon had some reason to believe he was in danger (i.e. Zimmerman had his gun out, or visible, or was in some way threatened him, at the time of the confrontation) If he didn't, then it doesn't matter how black Trayvon is, nor how white Zimmerman is, you can't call it murder. I can "profile" people all day. I can stand on a street corner and go up to every single black person I see, day or night, and ask what they're doing. It's not illegal. To think it is, is insane. Right now, there's plenty of proof Zimmerman acted in self-defense. Where is the proof that he approached Trayvon in a threatening way? Huh? A small wound on one of Trayvon's knuckles is "plenty of proof" that Zimmerman was acting in self defense? Is there something I'm missing?
well, you are missing all of the injuries to zimmerman, his story that trayvon attacked him and the eyewitness who saw trayvon on top of zimmerman pummeling him.
trayvon's injury to his hand supports the proposition that he punched zimmerman. the lack of any other injuries to trayvon (other than the gunshot wound) supports the proposition that they did not engage in a fist fight (trayvon was apparently the only one punching). also, the distance between the gun and trayvon's body (a few inches) supports the proposition that it was close combat, which can support zimmerman's argument that trayvon was on top; it could also equally support an argument that zimmerman bridged the distance and shot. however, the consistency with Zimmerman's story is what matters for trial purposes since he only has to show a reasonable doubt.
edit: there is also the police report stating that there were grass stains on the back of zimmerman's clothes, and they were wet. this is consistent with his statement that he was on his back being pummeled.
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On May 18 2012 02:38 dAPhREAk wrote:Trayvon Martin family lawyers: Stop the leaks–release all the records in Zimmerman case Show nested quote +The attorney for Trayvon Martin's parents is calling for all of the documents related to the death of their son be released, rather than what he says are strategic leaks of records intended to benefit the defense of George Zimmerman, who is charged with killing Martin.
Attorney Benjamin Crump said on Wednesday he wants "full transparency" in the case, after several news outlets--including ABC, NBC and CNN -- were given access to a sealed medical examiner's report on Martin.
"It was leaked for a beneficial purpose, certainly to help George Zimmerman's claim of self-defense," Crump said. "This report needs to be vetted with a keen eye."
"You have to look at this in the full context," he continued. "George Zimmerman made the decision to get out of his car, profile Trayvon Martin, pursue Trayvon Martin and confront him."
According to NBC News, the multi-page autopsy says that Martin was "killed by a penetrating gunshot wound to the chest," with the entrance wound "located on his left chest 17 inches below the head. The single bullet passed directly from the front to the back, through his lungs, creating perforations." The only injuries to Martin are from the gunshot and to one knuckle, "a quarter-inch to one-eighth inch abrasion on the fourth finger in the ring area."
The gunshot wound entrance was from a bullet fired from "intermediate range," or two-to-four inches, "a soot ring abrasion and a two-inch by two-inch area of stippling" on his body.
Earlier this week, medical records leaked to ABC News showed Zimmerman likely suffered a broken nose, black eyes and an abrasion on the back of head.
Zimmerman's lawyer, Mark O'Mara, said he may seek a dismissal of the second degree murder charges against his client under Florida's "Stand Your Ground" Law. http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/trayvon-martin-family-lawyers-stop-leaks-release-records-152333240.html
I haven't been following this case that often, nor do I know much about law, so this may be an ignorant question.
Leaks are leaks, as in they aren't supposed to happen. Shouldn't they (Martin family's lawyers) be aiming to shut down the leaks, instead of just showing all the documents and information out there. I thought information is supposed to be kept until trial so the jury or judge will have the information presented in a meaningful way (through the lawyers). Furthermore, if information is kept, then the jury or judge will hopefully not have bias entering the courtroom. Now, with all the information, the bias thing may be shot to hell, but I am still wondering if they can even get all the documents and information released.
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On May 18 2012 03:54 wunsun wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2012 02:38 dAPhREAk wrote:Trayvon Martin family lawyers: Stop the leaks–release all the records in Zimmerman case The attorney for Trayvon Martin's parents is calling for all of the documents related to the death of their son be released, rather than what he says are strategic leaks of records intended to benefit the defense of George Zimmerman, who is charged with killing Martin.
Attorney Benjamin Crump said on Wednesday he wants "full transparency" in the case, after several news outlets--including ABC, NBC and CNN -- were given access to a sealed medical examiner's report on Martin.
"It was leaked for a beneficial purpose, certainly to help George Zimmerman's claim of self-defense," Crump said. "This report needs to be vetted with a keen eye."
"You have to look at this in the full context," he continued. "George Zimmerman made the decision to get out of his car, profile Trayvon Martin, pursue Trayvon Martin and confront him."
According to NBC News, the multi-page autopsy says that Martin was "killed by a penetrating gunshot wound to the chest," with the entrance wound "located on his left chest 17 inches below the head. The single bullet passed directly from the front to the back, through his lungs, creating perforations." The only injuries to Martin are from the gunshot and to one knuckle, "a quarter-inch to one-eighth inch abrasion on the fourth finger in the ring area."
The gunshot wound entrance was from a bullet fired from "intermediate range," or two-to-four inches, "a soot ring abrasion and a two-inch by two-inch area of stippling" on his body.
Earlier this week, medical records leaked to ABC News showed Zimmerman likely suffered a broken nose, black eyes and an abrasion on the back of head.
Zimmerman's lawyer, Mark O'Mara, said he may seek a dismissal of the second degree murder charges against his client under Florida's "Stand Your Ground" Law. http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/trayvon-martin-family-lawyers-stop-leaks-release-records-152333240.html I haven't been following this case that often, nor do I know much about law, so this may be an ignorant question. Leaks are leaks, as in they aren't supposed to happen. Shouldn't they (Martin family's lawyers) be aiming to shut down the leaks, instead of just showing all the documents and information out there. I thought information is supposed to be kept until trial so the jury or judge will have the information presented in a meaningful way (through the lawyers). Furthermore, if information is kept, then the jury or judge will hopefully not have bias entering the courtroom. Now, with all the information, the bias thing may be shot to hell, but I am still wondering if they can even get all the documents and information released.
it seems to me that the martin family wants to try this case in the media, not in the courtroom, which is what has been happening in the last couple months. the prosecutor said that the leaks were outrageous and supposedly stopped them all from the police department, her office. i wouldnt be surprised if zimmerman's counsel is responsible for the recent leaks since what is being leaked supports his client's story so well--although he has been saying he doesnt want this case tried in the media. everyone is double talking. they leak what supports them and they fake outrage when others leak what doesnt support them.
as for the law (i work in California so it may be different), but unless there is a gag order or the information is privileged then you can release whatever you want to the public. moreover, the courts are open so the media can demand access to records (with certain exceptions). medical records, which may include autopsy reports, usually tend to be confidential so i am a bit surprised those are getting out. however, i read a blog by a guy who said he was trying to get the autopsy report because apparently its fair game in Florida.
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On May 18 2012 04:02 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2012 03:54 wunsun wrote:On May 18 2012 02:38 dAPhREAk wrote:Trayvon Martin family lawyers: Stop the leaks–release all the records in Zimmerman case The attorney for Trayvon Martin's parents is calling for all of the documents related to the death of their son be released, rather than what he says are strategic leaks of records intended to benefit the defense of George Zimmerman, who is charged with killing Martin.
Attorney Benjamin Crump said on Wednesday he wants "full transparency" in the case, after several news outlets--including ABC, NBC and CNN -- were given access to a sealed medical examiner's report on Martin.
"It was leaked for a beneficial purpose, certainly to help George Zimmerman's claim of self-defense," Crump said. "This report needs to be vetted with a keen eye."
"You have to look at this in the full context," he continued. "George Zimmerman made the decision to get out of his car, profile Trayvon Martin, pursue Trayvon Martin and confront him."
According to NBC News, the multi-page autopsy says that Martin was "killed by a penetrating gunshot wound to the chest," with the entrance wound "located on his left chest 17 inches below the head. The single bullet passed directly from the front to the back, through his lungs, creating perforations." The only injuries to Martin are from the gunshot and to one knuckle, "a quarter-inch to one-eighth inch abrasion on the fourth finger in the ring area."
The gunshot wound entrance was from a bullet fired from "intermediate range," or two-to-four inches, "a soot ring abrasion and a two-inch by two-inch area of stippling" on his body.
Earlier this week, medical records leaked to ABC News showed Zimmerman likely suffered a broken nose, black eyes and an abrasion on the back of head.
Zimmerman's lawyer, Mark O'Mara, said he may seek a dismissal of the second degree murder charges against his client under Florida's "Stand Your Ground" Law. http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/trayvon-martin-family-lawyers-stop-leaks-release-records-152333240.html I haven't been following this case that often, nor do I know much about law, so this may be an ignorant question. Leaks are leaks, as in they aren't supposed to happen. Shouldn't they (Martin family's lawyers) be aiming to shut down the leaks, instead of just showing all the documents and information out there. I thought information is supposed to be kept until trial so the jury or judge will have the information presented in a meaningful way (through the lawyers). Furthermore, if information is kept, then the jury or judge will hopefully not have bias entering the courtroom. Now, with all the information, the bias thing may be shot to hell, but I am still wondering if they can even get all the documents and information released. it seems to me that the martin family wants to try this case in the media, not in the courtroom, which is what has been happening in the last couple months. the prosecutor said that the leaks were outrageous and supposedly stopped them all from the police department, her office. i wouldnt be surprised if zimmerman's counsel is responsible for the recent leaks since what is being leaked supports his client's story so well--although he has been saying he doesnt want this case tried in the media. everyone is double talking. they leak what supports them and they fake outrage when others leak what doesnt support them. as for the law (i work in California so it may be different), but unless there is a gag order or the information is privileged then you can release whatever you want to the public. moreover, the courts are open so the media can demand access to records (with certain exceptions). medical records, which may include autopsy reports, usually tend to be confidential so i am a bit surprised those are getting out. however, i read a blog by a guy who said he was trying to get the autopsy report because apparently its fair game in Florida.
What is your opinion on the cannabis "twist"? Although the Martin family want to fight this in the media as you think, this will surely hurt it.
In my opinion, unless he was trying to mug the man for money to fuel his cannabis habit, I don't think cannabis will effect the psyche enough whatsoever to make someone violent or dangerous. Although granted he could have been acting strangely because of it but unless he smoked it very recently it would have no effect whatsoever. I think all this media attention is good for the case even still though, because its a travesty that Zimmerman could behave the way he did (pattern of suspicion and mistrust only against blacks) and then almost get away without a trial.
Also has anyone considered the fact this took place in a gated community? Gated communitys are generally safe, crime-free and family friendly. How is it legitimate to wait in a car watching for black youths trouble armed with a gun? Seems like he wanted a fight acting in that manner, and when he managed to find one he shot the kid.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18111988
I'm not sure if this adds anything, but it explains a few more things that may not have been reported in the thread yet. Even though it seems horribly biased towards Zimmerman all of a sudden.
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On May 18 2012 08:37 TSBspartacus wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2012 04:02 dAPhREAk wrote:On May 18 2012 03:54 wunsun wrote:On May 18 2012 02:38 dAPhREAk wrote:Trayvon Martin family lawyers: Stop the leaks–release all the records in Zimmerman case The attorney for Trayvon Martin's parents is calling for all of the documents related to the death of their son be released, rather than what he says are strategic leaks of records intended to benefit the defense of George Zimmerman, who is charged with killing Martin.
Attorney Benjamin Crump said on Wednesday he wants "full transparency" in the case, after several news outlets--including ABC, NBC and CNN -- were given access to a sealed medical examiner's report on Martin.
"It was leaked for a beneficial purpose, certainly to help George Zimmerman's claim of self-defense," Crump said. "This report needs to be vetted with a keen eye."
"You have to look at this in the full context," he continued. "George Zimmerman made the decision to get out of his car, profile Trayvon Martin, pursue Trayvon Martin and confront him."
According to NBC News, the multi-page autopsy says that Martin was "killed by a penetrating gunshot wound to the chest," with the entrance wound "located on his left chest 17 inches below the head. The single bullet passed directly from the front to the back, through his lungs, creating perforations." The only injuries to Martin are from the gunshot and to one knuckle, "a quarter-inch to one-eighth inch abrasion on the fourth finger in the ring area."
The gunshot wound entrance was from a bullet fired from "intermediate range," or two-to-four inches, "a soot ring abrasion and a two-inch by two-inch area of stippling" on his body.
Earlier this week, medical records leaked to ABC News showed Zimmerman likely suffered a broken nose, black eyes and an abrasion on the back of head.
Zimmerman's lawyer, Mark O'Mara, said he may seek a dismissal of the second degree murder charges against his client under Florida's "Stand Your Ground" Law. http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/trayvon-martin-family-lawyers-stop-leaks-release-records-152333240.html I haven't been following this case that often, nor do I know much about law, so this may be an ignorant question. Leaks are leaks, as in they aren't supposed to happen. Shouldn't they (Martin family's lawyers) be aiming to shut down the leaks, instead of just showing all the documents and information out there. I thought information is supposed to be kept until trial so the jury or judge will have the information presented in a meaningful way (through the lawyers). Furthermore, if information is kept, then the jury or judge will hopefully not have bias entering the courtroom. Now, with all the information, the bias thing may be shot to hell, but I am still wondering if they can even get all the documents and information released. it seems to me that the martin family wants to try this case in the media, not in the courtroom, which is what has been happening in the last couple months. the prosecutor said that the leaks were outrageous and supposedly stopped them all from the police department, her office. i wouldnt be surprised if zimmerman's counsel is responsible for the recent leaks since what is being leaked supports his client's story so well--although he has been saying he doesnt want this case tried in the media. everyone is double talking. they leak what supports them and they fake outrage when others leak what doesnt support them. as for the law (i work in California so it may be different), but unless there is a gag order or the information is privileged then you can release whatever you want to the public. moreover, the courts are open so the media can demand access to records (with certain exceptions). medical records, which may include autopsy reports, usually tend to be confidential so i am a bit surprised those are getting out. however, i read a blog by a guy who said he was trying to get the autopsy report because apparently its fair game in Florida. What is your opinion on the cannabis "twist"? Although the Martin family want to fight this in the media as you think, this will surely hurt it. In my opinion, unless he was trying to mug the man for money to fuel his cannabis habit, I don't think cannabis will effect the psyche enough whatsoever to make someone violent or dangerous. Although granted he could have been acting strangely because of it but unless he smoked it very recently it would have no effect whatsoever. I think all this media attention is good for the case even still though, because its a travesty that Zimmerman could behave the way he did (pattern of suspicion and mistrust only against blacks) and then almost get away without a trial. Also has anyone considered the fact this took place in a gated community? Gated communitys are generally safe, crime-free and family friendly. How is it legitimate to wait in a car watching for black youths trouble armed with a gun? Seems like he wanted a fight acting in that manner, and when he managed to find one he shot the kid. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18111988I'm not sure if this adds anything, but it explains a few more things that may not have been reported in the thread yet. Even though it seems horribly biased towards Zimmerman all of a sudden.
i think the marijuana is irrelevant to any issue in the case.
it was a gated community, but it had a history of break-ins and other crime. zimmerman actually helped apprehend burglars in the past. based on what i have read, it doesnt seem like a safe place to me.
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On May 18 2012 03:36 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2012 03:26 Blennd wrote:On May 18 2012 03:06 Felnarion wrote:On May 18 2012 02:38 dAPhREAk wrote:Trayvon Martin family lawyers: Stop the leaks–release all the records in Zimmerman case The attorney for Trayvon Martin's parents is calling for all of the documents related to the death of their son be released, rather than what he says are strategic leaks of records intended to benefit the defense of George Zimmerman, who is charged with killing Martin.
Attorney Benjamin Crump said on Wednesday he wants "full transparency" in the case, after several news outlets--including ABC, NBC and CNN -- were given access to a sealed medical examiner's report on Martin.
"It was leaked for a beneficial purpose, certainly to help George Zimmerman's claim of self-defense," Crump said. "This report needs to be vetted with a keen eye."
"You have to look at this in the full context," he continued. "George Zimmerman made the decision to get out of his car, profile Trayvon Martin, pursue Trayvon Martin and confront him."
According to NBC News, the multi-page autopsy says that Martin was "killed by a penetrating gunshot wound to the chest," with the entrance wound "located on his left chest 17 inches below the head. The single bullet passed directly from the front to the back, through his lungs, creating perforations." The only injuries to Martin are from the gunshot and to one knuckle, "a quarter-inch to one-eighth inch abrasion on the fourth finger in the ring area."
The gunshot wound entrance was from a bullet fired from "intermediate range," or two-to-four inches, "a soot ring abrasion and a two-inch by two-inch area of stippling" on his body.
Earlier this week, medical records leaked to ABC News showed Zimmerman likely suffered a broken nose, black eyes and an abrasion on the back of head.
Zimmerman's lawyer, Mark O'Mara, said he may seek a dismissal of the second degree murder charges against his client under Florida's "Stand Your Ground" Law. http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/trayvon-martin-family-lawyers-stop-leaks-release-records-152333240.html Quite frankly, their point is irrelevant unless they can prove Trayvon had some reason to believe he was in danger (i.e. Zimmerman had his gun out, or visible, or was in some way threatened him, at the time of the confrontation) If he didn't, then it doesn't matter how black Trayvon is, nor how white Zimmerman is, you can't call it murder. I can "profile" people all day. I can stand on a street corner and go up to every single black person I see, day or night, and ask what they're doing. It's not illegal. To think it is, is insane. Right now, there's plenty of proof Zimmerman acted in self-defense. Where is the proof that he approached Trayvon in a threatening way? Huh? A small wound on one of Trayvon's knuckles is "plenty of proof" that Zimmerman was acting in self defense? Is there something I'm missing? well, you are missing all of the injuries to zimmerman, his story that trayvon attacked him and the eyewitness who saw trayvon on top of zimmerman pummeling him. trayvon's injury to his hand supports the proposition that he punched zimmerman. the lack of any other injuries to trayvon (other than the gunshot wound) supports the proposition that they did not engage in a fist fight (trayvon was apparently the only one punching). also, the distance between the gun and trayvon's body (a few inches) supports the proposition that it was close combat, which can support zimmerman's argument that trayvon was on top; it could also equally support an argument that zimmerman bridged the distance and shot. however, the consistency with Zimmerman's story is what matters for trial purposes since he only has to show a reasonable doubt. edit: there is also the police report stating that there were grass stains on the back of zimmerman's clothes, and they were wet. this is consistent with his statement that he was on his back being pummeled.
Were Zimmerman's wounds ever confirmed? Was there not video that appeared to show Zimmerman with no wounds on his head? Aren't the eyewitness accounts in this case all conflicting/undetailed/wrongly detailed? And just lol at citing Zimmerman's story as proof that its true. Grass stains being consistent with his story doesn't constitute proof. His story is also consistent with 9/11 being an inside job, it's not proof of it.
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abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin-documents-released-shooting-george-zimmerman/story?id=16371852#.T7WxB1LNk6n
Cops, Witnesses Back Up George Zimmerman's Version of Trayvon Martin Shooting
The autopsy report shows traces of the drug THC, which is found in marijuana, in Martin’s blood and urine.
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On May 16 2012 21:52 Zaqwe wrote:
So, in light of the autopsy showing that Trayvon had no injuries aside from damaging his knuckles while viciously assaulting Zimmerman, does anyone wish to express regret for jumping to conclusions?
The silence of all the self-righteous social crusaders who were previously expressing their outrage is deafening.
You realize the guy was still walking home peacefully before getting approached by a guy who ultimately killed him, right?
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