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On July 15 2013 09:17 Dubzex wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 08:52 BisuDagger wrote:On July 15 2013 06:19 xDaunt wrote:On July 15 2013 06:10 Robotix wrote:On July 15 2013 05:41 dAPhREAk wrote:On July 15 2013 05:37 Robotix wrote: All of this angst is the result of the news media twisting facts and sensationalizing stories. This country would be much better off if NBC and Fox weren't so extremely biased. you forgot like every other network that misreported this case. I was just naming the two worst general offenders. Is it even possible that there was a worse offender in terms of reporting this case than CNN/HLN? Fox sure as hell wasn't nearly as bad. I gotta say I just don't get it. There have been an absurd amount of shootings and killings in Chicago these past few weeks. More people died in Chicago then in any of the "Major" tragedies combined in the past year. I wish people could focus on helping current issues rather then focusing on a trial that has been completed. Black on black crime is clearly not as important as non-black on black crime to the media and to what seems to be a large portion of the black community as well. Despite there being 67 people shot and 11 killed over the 4th of July weekend (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/07/07/Chicago-Murders-Soar-67-Shot-11-Killed-over-July-4-Weekend-So-Far), Trayvon Martin is all that is important to them. Playing devil's advocate, people can care about more than one thing. Murders in general is a problem, but so is racism. This Zimmerman trial has come to represent the institutional racism towards blacks and as such it is a convenient event to rally around. Especially given how much attention it has been given by the media. This representation may be based on a completely false characterization of events, but racism against black people certainly is a problem and you would be hard pressed to find a more effective unifying event to rally around for "the black community".
That said, it certainly is despicable how the media has treated this story, and disappointing to see how many people are so easily riled up about events based on biased media reports.
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Not sure if it was written already but apparently the DOJ(feds) are looking into the possibility to charge Zimmerman now. Seriously... Some people lol.
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I love how being "white"-hispanic makes you white.
If a black kid has a black dad and a white mom doesn't that make him a "white"-african as well?
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On July 15 2013 09:32 DwD wrote: Not sure if it was written already but apparently the DOJ(feds) are looking into the possibility to charge Zimmerman now. Seriously... Some people lol.
Going to have to do something to calm down the idiotic black communities that will eventually riot and destroy shit to prove how racist everyone else is.
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On July 15 2013 09:34 Mania[K]al wrote: I love how being "white"-hispanic makes you white.
If a black kid has a black dad and a white mom doesn't that make him a "white"-african as well?
Obama is referred to as black so apparently not.
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On July 15 2013 09:32 DwD wrote: Not sure if it was written already but apparently the DOJ(feds) are looking into the possibility to charge Zimmerman now. Seriously... Some people lol. Considering the amount of evidence I highly doubt anyone is stupid enough to do another trial even if they legally can. There just isn't anything to aid a conviction. I would take any notions of this with a bucket of salt unless they come from the source (the DoJ itself in this case).
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Baltimore, USA22250 Posts
On July 15 2013 09:13 BisuDagger wrote: They are chanting that the NYPD is KKK. They are just doing their job. This is exhausting to watch.
Don't watch. They want attention, it's not worth giving it to them.
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Media isn't "the" issue. It is an issue, yes. But probably more importantly is people paying attention to the media that just puts things out there for ratings. If you want something that an actual representation of what is going on, you can find it.
The argument, "Not everyone has internet," is kind of silly because you can go to a library easy enough, they have internet there.
As far as racism goes, it exists, it sucks. The only thing you can do to move forward is fire people who are racist, stop working for people who are racist, stop taking orders from people who are racist, and don't converse with racists. Eventually they'll have to change for financial reasons. Good example of this is a club in Boulder, Colorado: It became quite popular, owner was making a lot of money and everyone was making nice tips. One day the owner comes into work and tells the bouncer, "don't let in as many black people. I want this to be a place for rich people and not appear sleazy." (that isn't' verbatim.) The bouncer told other employees and when they opened for the night everyone working in club walked out.
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TLADT24920 Posts
oh wow, this is recent as in yesterday lol. I don't see how having another trial would be possible seeing as how the evidence will remain the same and the chance of acquittal is through the roof. Fact is, there isn't much evidence to work with. Wonder how long these protests will continue for.
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On July 15 2013 09:39 BigFan wrote:oh wow, this is recent as in yesterday lol. I don't see how having another trial would be possible seeing as how the evidence will remain the same and the chance of acquittal is through the roof. Fact is, there isn't much evidence to work with. Wonder how long these protests will continue for. thats a year old.
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TLADT24920 Posts
On July 15 2013 09:40 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 09:39 BigFan wrote:oh wow, this is recent as in yesterday lol. I don't see how having another trial would be possible seeing as how the evidence will remain the same and the chance of acquittal is through the roof. Fact is, there isn't much evidence to work with. Wonder how long these protests will continue for. thats a year old. oops, missed the date lol. I guess they are checking again then since I also heard that they are investigating whether there is a hate crime or not.
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On July 15 2013 09:32 DwD wrote: Not sure if it was written already but apparently the DOJ(feds) are looking into the possibility to charge Zimmerman now. Seriously... Some people lol.
Can't charge a man twice for the same crime. That would be breaking the constit... Well... Never mind.
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On July 15 2013 09:41 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 09:40 dAPhREAk wrote:On July 15 2013 09:39 BigFan wrote:oh wow, this is recent as in yesterday lol. I don't see how having another trial would be possible seeing as how the evidence will remain the same and the chance of acquittal is through the roof. Fact is, there isn't much evidence to work with. Wonder how long these protests will continue for. thats a year old. oops, missed the date lol. I guess they are checking again then since I also heard that they are investigating whether there is a hate crime or not. i think its just the NAACP petition going around. i have yet to see anything of substance from the government saying they are going to re-open the investigation. and, honestly, its a pipe dream by the NAACP. the FBI would have to say that their initial investigation was wrong, and they were completely idiotic by saying it wasnt racism. and then they would have to explain why they did a complete reversal immediately after the trial. beergate x100.
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Bisutopia19152 Posts
On July 15 2013 09:35 EvilTeletubby wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 09:13 BisuDagger wrote: They are chanting that the NYPD is KKK. They are just doing their job. This is exhausting to watch. Don't watch. They want attention, it's not worth giving it to them. Yeah I stopped after about one minute of viewing. 100% agree with you.
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Oh shit, the NYC march is at McDonalds now. Incoming flag burning!
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actually, maybe the justice dept. is looking at it. or at least making a show of it.
An investigation had previously been opened by the Justice Department, and the department said Saturday night, "The department continues to evaluate the evidence generated during the federal investigation, as well as the evidence and testimony from the state trial."
ABC News anchor Dan Abrams said it is unlikely the civil rights division will file charges against Zimmerman "because they can't win." http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-prosecution-petition-overwhelms-naacp-website/story?id=19662189#.UeNHA42cfmc
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On July 15 2013 09:44 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 09:41 BigFan wrote:On July 15 2013 09:40 dAPhREAk wrote:On July 15 2013 09:39 BigFan wrote:oh wow, this is recent as in yesterday lol. I don't see how having another trial would be possible seeing as how the evidence will remain the same and the chance of acquittal is through the roof. Fact is, there isn't much evidence to work with. Wonder how long these protests will continue for. thats a year old. oops, missed the date lol. I guess they are checking again then since I also heard that they are investigating whether there is a hate crime or not. i think its just the NAACP petition going around. i have yet to see anything of substance from the government saying they are going to re-open the investigation. and, honestly, its a pipe dream by the NAACP. the FBI would have to say that their initial investigation was wrong, and they were completely idiotic by saying it wasnt racism. and then they would have to explain why they did a complete reversal immediately after the trial. beergate x100.
WASHINGTON (AP) — The Justice Department said Sunday it is looking into the shooting death of Trayvon Martin to determine whether federal prosecutors will file criminal civil rights charges now that George Zimmerman has been acquitted in the state case. The department opened an investigation into Martin's death last year but stepped aside to allow the state prosecution to proceed. In a statement, the Justice Department said the criminal section of its civil rights division, the FBI and the U.S. Attorney's office for the Middle District of Florida are continuing to evaluate the evidence generated during the federal probe, in addition to the evidence and testimony from the state trial. "Experienced federal prosecutors will determine whether the evidence reveals a prosecutable violation of any of the limited federal criminal civil rights statutes within our jurisdiction," the statement said. Justice added that it will determine "whether federal prosecution is appropriate in accordance with the department's policy governing successive federal prosecution following a state trial." + Show Spoiler +Fom the Rodney King case in Los Angeles to the Algiers Motel incident in Detroit more than four decades ago, the Justice Department has a long history of using federal civil rights law in an effort to convict defendants who have previously been acquitted in related state cases.
On Sunday, NAACP President Benjamin Todd Jealous started a petition calling for the Justice Department to open a civil rights case against Zimmerman for the shooting death of 17-year-old Martin, but experience has shown it's almost never easy getting convictions in such high-profile prosecutions.
"The Justice Department would face significant challenges in bringing a federal civil rights case against Mr. Zimmerman," said Alan Vinegrad, the former U.S. Attorney in the Eastern District of New York. "There are several factual and legal hurdles that federal prosecutors would have to overcome: They'd have to show not only that the attack was unjustified, but that Mr. Zimmerman attacked Mr. Martin because of his race and because he was using a public facility, the street."
As to the last element, the confrontation between Zimmerman and the shooting victim occurred in a gated community, which may not fit the legal definition of a public facility.
Lauren Resnick, a former federal prosecutor in New York who successfully prosecuted a man in the killing of an Orthodox Jew during the 1991 Crown Heights riots in Brooklyn, said the Justice Department could conceivably proceed under a theory that Zimmerman interfered with Martin's right to walk down a public street based on his race. But that would be challenging, she said, because it would require prosecutors to prove, among other things, that trailing Martin on the street constituted interference.
"One could argue it did, if it freaked him out and he couldn't comfortably walk down the street — there's an argument here," said Resnick, who now specializes in white-collar criminal defense and commercial litigation.
But she said federal prosecutors were likely to encounter the same hurdles as state prosecutors in establishing that Zimmerman was driven by racial animus and was the initial aggressor, as opposed to someone who acted in self-defense.
"When you have a fact pattern where one person's alive, and one person's not, and the person alive is the defendant, it's hard to prove things beyond a reasonable doubt," said Resnick. She also said it was easier to prove a criminal bias in the Crown Heights killing than it would be in any federal prosecution of Zimmerman.
Samuel Bagenstos, a former No. 2 official in the Justice Department's civil rights division, said: "This is an administration that hasn't shied away from bringing hate crimes cases that are solid prosecutions based on the facts and the law, but from what I've seen this would be a very difficult case to prosecute federally because the government would have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that George Zimmerman acted because of Trayvon Martin's race. If you're trying to prove racial motivation, you are usually looking for multiple statements related to why he is engaging in this act of violence. I think it's a difficult case to prove."
Another federal case, the Rodney King prosecution, illustrates just how difficult it can be for the federal government to come in behind a state prosecution that ended in acquittal, even when there's videotaped evidence of the crime.r
Source: http://www.businessweek.com/ap/2013-07-14/justice-dept-zimmerman-case-under-review
With that being said, they'll take a cursory glance at it to try to calm people down but I'd be shocked if anything came from it.
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On July 15 2013 09:34 Mania[K]al wrote: I love how being "white"-hispanic makes you white.
If a black kid has a black dad and a white mom doesn't that make him a "white"-african as well?
Positive things are always associated with the underclass "half", and negative things will always be associated with the upperclass half. It will always be this way to a half-caste so long as a community feels they are not being treated fairly, right or wrong.
It's why Zimmerman is white, and it's why Obama is black.
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What I don't get is, why is a white person racist for killing a black person. But a black person is NOT a racist for killing a white person? This whole thing is ridiculous, and Zimmerman is innocent.
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