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MethodSC
Profile Joined December 2010
United States928 Posts
July 09 2013 17:48 GMT
#6201
He literally laughed at the plastic flashlight. How desperate is the prosecution at this point?
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
July 09 2013 17:49 GMT
#6202
On July 10 2013 02:47 BigFan wrote:
$400/hr to testify. You heard it here first folks! what's the avg cost for expert testimony?

thats relatively cheap. i have seen $800-1000/hr bills.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-09 17:52:07
July 09 2013 17:50 GMT
#6203
On July 10 2013 02:48 MethodSC wrote:
He literally laughed at the plastic flashlight. How desperate is the prosecution at this point?

He's been laughing throughout his testimony even with the defense but ya, I think he found the size of the flashlight very funny lol

On July 10 2013 02:49 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2013 02:47 BigFan wrote:
$400/hr to testify. You heard it here first folks! what's the avg cost for expert testimony?

thats relatively cheap. i have seen $800-1000/hr bills.

wow, that's nuts!

edit: what is this prosecutor yapping around?
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Felnarion
Profile Joined December 2011
442 Posts
July 09 2013 17:54 GMT
#6204
Done. They're done. Guy's thinking "This prosecution is a joke, I'm just going to end this stupid idea of him pulling away"

They keep trying to push that theory when there's literally no evidence to support it.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
July 09 2013 17:55 GMT
#6205
prosecutor keeps harping on trayvon pulling away from zimmerman. is there any evidence that that happened?
Felnarion
Profile Joined December 2011
442 Posts
July 09 2013 17:55 GMT
#6206
On July 10 2013 02:55 dAPhREAk wrote:
prosecutor keeps harping on trayvon pulling away from zimmerman. is there any evidence that that happened?


I think maybe this witness proposed that as the only other way the shirt could be pulled so far away before, and the prosecution has jumped on it. Despite there being, like you said, no evidence or witnesses saying that was the case.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
July 09 2013 17:55 GMT
#6207
oh shit, now the prosecutor is blaming the one armed man for the crime (i.e., tree branches)!!!
Felnarion
Profile Joined December 2011
442 Posts
July 09 2013 17:57 GMT
#6208
On July 10 2013 02:55 dAPhREAk wrote:
oh shit, now the prosecutor is blaming the one armed man for the crime (i.e., tree branches)!!!


Hahahaha you can tell the witness is thinking this is fucking absurd.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-09 17:58:42
July 09 2013 17:58 GMT
#6209
On July 10 2013 02:55 dAPhREAk wrote:
oh shit, now the prosecutor is blaming the one armed man for the crime (i.e., tree branches)!!!

it's obvious he's just pulling at thin air right now if he blames the injuries onto trees, not that one or two couldn't be due to that but you already know that lol
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
July 09 2013 17:59 GMT
#6210
its amazing that the prosecutor is casting doubt on everything by saying that it could have been this, it could have been that. usually its the defense's role to cast doubt on all the theories on the case because, you know, reasonable doubt is good enough for acquittal. i know he is attempting to ridicule zimmerman's testimony and impeach it, but jesus he is doing a horrible job of it by saying nobody knows what happened.
OVERTsc2
Profile Joined September 2011
United States25 Posts
July 09 2013 18:00 GMT
#6211
On July 10 2013 02:59 dAPhREAk wrote:
its amazing that the prosecutor is casting doubt on everything by saying that it could have been this, it could have been that. usually its the defense's role to cast doubt on all the theories on the case because, you know, reasonable doubt is good enough for acquittal. i know he is attempting to ridicule zimmerman's testimony and impeach it, but jesus he is doing a horrible job of it by saying nobody knows what happened.


I was thinking the exact thing. He seems like a defense attorney arguing for reasonable doubt.
Felnarion
Profile Joined December 2011
442 Posts
July 09 2013 18:00 GMT
#6212
On July 10 2013 02:58 BigFan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2013 02:55 dAPhREAk wrote:
oh shit, now the prosecutor is blaming the one armed man for the crime (i.e., tree branches)!!!

it's obvious he's just pulling at thin air right now if he blames the injuries onto trees, not that one or two couldn't be due to that.


The thing for me is, the prosecutor is openly admitting that Z and T were struggling and fighting. Rolling around, fighting against a tree...They're acknowledging he definitely hit his head. Even if Zimmerman initiated contact, and there's no evidence he did, this proves nothing. Zimmerman, even if he punched Trayvon right in the face which started the fight, Zimmerman still could have been defending himself legitimately with a gun if the fight got out of hand and he tried to disengage but Trayvon wouldn't let him.
Dosey
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4505 Posts
July 09 2013 18:01 GMT
#6213
On July 10 2013 02:59 dAPhREAk wrote:
its amazing that the prosecutor is casting doubt on everything by saying that it could have been this, it could have been that. usually its the defense's role to cast doubt on all the theories on the case because, you know, reasonable doubt is good enough for acquittal. i know he is attempting to ridicule zimmerman's testimony and impeach it, but jesus he is doing a horrible job of it by saying nobody knows what happened.

Haha I was thinking the exact same thing.

This coulda shoulda woulda nonsense is just terrible for a prosecutor.
QQKachoo
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States192 Posts
July 09 2013 18:01 GMT
#6214
Now they are trying to say that Zimmerman could have hit him again. I am pretty sure they said treyvon had no bruising or injuries besides the gunshot would and the injury on his hand. Prosecution is really reaching now.
@QKachoo
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
July 09 2013 18:04 GMT
#6215
On July 10 2013 03:00 Felnarion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2013 02:58 BigFan wrote:
On July 10 2013 02:55 dAPhREAk wrote:
oh shit, now the prosecutor is blaming the one armed man for the crime (i.e., tree branches)!!!

it's obvious he's just pulling at thin air right now if he blames the injuries onto trees, not that one or two couldn't be due to that.


The thing for me is, the prosecutor is openly admitting that Z and T were struggling and fighting. Rolling around, fighting against a tree...They're acknowledging he definitely hit his head. Even if Zimmerman initiated contact, and there's no evidence he did, this proves nothing. Zimmerman, even if he punched Trayvon right in the face which started the fight, Zimmerman still could have been defending himself legitimately with a gun if the fight got out of hand and he tried to disengage but Trayvon wouldn't let him.

ya but I think he's trying to say that it's possible that they both fought and some of Zimmerman's injuries were due to just banging around during the fight so it wasn't necessary Trayvon just being on top and beating him up -> reasonable doubt about what happened, not that it helps the prosecution.

On July 10 2013 03:01 QQKachoo wrote:
Now they are trying to say that Zimmerman could have hit him again. I am pretty sure they said treyvon had no bruising or injuries besides the gunshot would and the injury on his hand. Prosecution is really reaching now.

Even if he hit him, there is no evidence for it.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Kleinmuuhg
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Vanuatu4091 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-09 18:05:56
July 09 2013 18:05 GMT
#6216
Maybe the prosecutor is doing a bad job on purpose #conspiracy

You've heard it here first.
This is our town, scrub
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
July 09 2013 18:07 GMT
#6217
calling the lacerations "scratches." lol. if he was smart, he wouldnt have asked for clarification, should have just kept calling them scratches. eventually you can get a witness to start using the term as well (maybe not so much with an expert though).
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
July 09 2013 18:09 GMT
#6218
The fractured nose is interesting. I have to say it sounds weird that they 'put' his nose back in but the swelling part lines up.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
OVERTsc2
Profile Joined September 2011
United States25 Posts
July 09 2013 18:14 GMT
#6219
Did I just hear this line of questioning? Martin didn't break Zimmerman's nose, but if he did, it could have caused so much blood to flow into his throat that he couldn't have been the one screaming? Sounds so much like a defense attorney rambling on into various contradictions of his own random conjecture.

The longer this goes on the more the prosecution looks desperate and even somewhat idiotic/dense.
Krohm
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada1857 Posts
July 09 2013 18:16 GMT
#6220
On July 10 2013 03:14 OVERTsc2 wrote:
Did I just hear this line of questioning? Martin didn't break Zimmerman's nose, but if he did, it could have caused so much blood to flow into his throat that he couldn't have been the one screaming? Sounds so much like a defense attorney rambling on into various contradictions of his own random conjecture.

The longer this goes on the more the prosecution looks desperate and even somewhat idiotic/dense.

I've broken my nose 4 times and that has literally never happened to me.
Not bad for a cat toy.
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