EPTShooting of Trayvon Martin - Page 193
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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jeremycafe
United States354 Posts
On June 29 2013 02:52 heliusx wrote: Googled a bit and found only this on http://www.bet.com/news/national/2013/06/27/zimmerman-trial-watch-day-14-the-defense-evaluates-the-star-witness.html "Frustration was felt throughout the courtroom as the six-person jury was repeatedly asked to exit the courtroom to avoid exposure to certain evidence. Attendees at today’s proceedings recalled juror B-29 appearing seemingly uninterested and avoiding contact with Jeantel to focus more on West." Probably some idiots being overzealous. No acusations or assumptions were made by her constantly focusing on the Martin's. It was simply stated. You see to be doing more of the overzealous approach here calling people idiots and your comment about fox readers. Relax dude, I just wanted to know if there was some how people were looking at something other than what I could see. Move on, let it go. | ||
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Kaitlin
United States2958 Posts
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farvacola
United States18876 Posts
On June 29 2013 02:07 dAPhREAk wrote: doubt that. usually with lesser included, the jury can say "i dont think you met second degree, but it was enough for manslaughter so i will go there." they also like to split the baby: i will convict, but the punishment will be less. just to be clear, i am not sure whether they can go for lesser included offenses in Florida since they indicted on second degree murder. I am not familiar enough with the Florida system. It's difficult to find base source material, but if this Miami legal blog and the other materials I've found are any indication, Zimmerman can indeed be found guilty of lesser charges even if the greater one is tossed aside. | ||
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jeremycafe
United States354 Posts
On June 29 2013 02:59 farvacola wrote: It's difficult to find base source material, but if this Miami legal blog and the other materials I've found are any indication, Zimmerman can indeed be found guilty of lesser charges even if the greater one is tossed aside. I don't think that will happen in this case. If they prove self defense, it will all get thrown at as it was legal shooting at that point. | ||
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heliusx
United States2306 Posts
On June 29 2013 02:57 jeremycafe wrote: No acusations or assumptions were made by her constantly focusing on the Martin's. It was simply stated. You see to be doing more of the overzealous approach here calling people idiots and your comment about fox readers. Relax dude, I just wanted to know if there was some how people were looking at something other than what I could see. Move on, let it go. There's no need to be offended. | ||
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farvacola
United States18876 Posts
On June 29 2013 03:01 jeremycafe wrote: I don't think that will happen in this case. If they prove self defense, it will all get thrown at as it was legal shooting at that point. Proving self defense and introducing reasonable doubt in regards to murder are different things though. If the jury does become convinced of his self-defense, then lesser charges are almost certainly tossed aside, but that might not be the perspective they take in rendering a not guilty of second degree murder. | ||
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Masq
Canada1792 Posts
On June 29 2013 02:58 Kaitlin wrote: Officer testifying, a patrol officer, who had previously been an investigator. Has this guy been demoted ? As a result of this case ??? he stated he was an officer for the past 1 year? | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
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AllHailTheDead
United States418 Posts
let me give you some paper that tells you what to say | ||
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soon.Cloak
United States983 Posts
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AllHailTheDead
United States418 Posts
On June 29 2013 03:18 soon.Cloak wrote: Dead guy on the floor, but he has a can in his sweatshirt...maybe I should check if it's a coke or pepsi... ya idk maybe im missing the point but don't we all know that Zimmerman shot Martin since Zimmerman confessed to it | ||
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heliusx
United States2306 Posts
On June 29 2013 03:16 AllHailTheDead wrote: whats that you dont remember anything? let me give you some paper that tells you what to say You're confusing not remembering anything with not remembering a specific time from a year ago. Basically one of the reasons reports record such details... | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On June 29 2013 03:16 AllHailTheDead wrote: whats that you dont remember anything? let me give you some paper that tells you what to say police officers and medical personnel kill forests with the amount of paperwork they create. they cant remember everything. thats why they refresh their recollection with their prior reports. its perfectly legit. | ||
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AllHailTheDead
United States418 Posts
On June 29 2013 03:21 heliusx wrote: You're confusing not remembering anything with not remembering a specific time from a year ago. Basically one of the reasons reports record such details... that was my point tho, I didnt literally mean she didnt remember anything My point is just why ask about all these times when they are already in the reports and the witness can't even tell you any of it, its just making her seem useless and forgetful idk I just think she is a pointless witness | ||
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Kaitlin
United States2958 Posts
On June 29 2013 03:08 Masq wrote: he stated he was an officer for the past 1 year? I could have sworn I heard him say he had only been a patrol officer for about a year, and before that he was an investigator. | ||
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Felnarion
442 Posts
On June 29 2013 03:22 dAPhREAk wrote: police officers and medical personnel kill forests with the amount of paperwork they create. they cant remember everything. thats why they refresh their recollection with their prior reports. its perfectly legit. It's true that refreshing the memory is legitimate, but you're also playing devil's advocate a bit, and you know that. People often ignore or forget what truthfully happened and instead use fragments to logically work out what they think likely happened and then that replaces memories in their mind. Everyone, literally everyone, does it. Memory is not as good as we think, memory fails us very often, and when it does, we reconstruct events after the fact. | ||
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heliusx
United States2306 Posts
On June 29 2013 03:23 AllHailTheDead wrote: that was my point tho, I didnt literally mean she didnt remember anything My point is just why ask about all these times when they are already in the reports and the witness can't even tell you any of it, its just making her seem useless and forgetful idk I just think she is a pointless witness I think it's just to inform the jury, I may be wrong. | ||
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AllHailTheDead
United States418 Posts
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On June 29 2013 03:23 AllHailTheDead wrote: that was my point tho, I didnt literally mean she didnt remember anything My point is just why ask about all these times when they are already in the reports and the witness can't even tell you any of it, its just making her seem useless and forgetful idk I just think she is a pointless witness reports arent admissible generally. need actual testimony. | ||
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