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On June 14 2016 17:37 Incognoto wrote:Yeah except I spent 10 years of my life in the USA and that country is basically also what I would consider my homeland. Sorry? You can talk badly all you want, to me you're just putting your head in the ground and refusing to face the problem head on. The regulation when it comes to firearms in the USA is insufficient. There should be no reason you can obtain a military-grade weapon without any background checks, licenses, what have you. In Florida there is literally no regulation, you don't even need a license. My own stance is much more conservative than most people's, I fully oppose blanket bans on firearms, but I also fully oppose complete deregulation. Firearms are dangerous and need to be treated with more respect than what they have in the USA. Flying is also an inherently dangerous activity and they don't let anyone be a pilot just because they've got the dough: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/planes-unscheduled-landing-after-passenger-8178039
Where to begin? You spent 10 years in the USA, but you're completely ignorant and from your ignorance you spout complete non-sense. First, AR-15's are not military-grade weapons. They are a semi-automatic rifle based off 1960's era weaponry. No one in the military uses an AR-15 and would not be caught with one since the military uses SELECT FIRE rifles. (I should know I was in the service myself)
Secondly, to buy a firearm outside of face to face private sales (which is impossible to monitor/track in the first place) you have to go through a FFL dealer. Part of the FFL "experience" when purchasing a weapon are background checks via the Brady Bill. Now, while I may be opposed to nearly all of the violations of the 2A (we'd be much better off without the 34, 68, and 86 laws), the fact remains that there are checks done. In fact, the checks are mostly meaningless as the vast majority of what you'd call "mass shootings" occur via completely legal means and the people passed the background checks. The gun-grabbers are all the same ignorant ideologues they decry about the other side.
Your analogies are cute, but the point of facts is that self-defense is an inherent and innate natural right. Oh, by the way while we're on the subject, you should actually do some research for yourself and learn that the vast majority of gun crimes are either of the 1) Gang-related variety or 2) suicides/accidents, and gun-related homicides account for a puny percentage of homicides/crime. Go look up the FBI statistics yourself. If people were serious about curbing most of the gun-crime in the US they'd LEGALIZE DRUGS and run the cartels/gangs out of business, but no, that doesn't advance the subservience to the State ideology sycophants.
(You think the incident in Orlando is bad, you should read up on Chicago)
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I am pretty sure that there is a very large overlap between the set of people that wish to regulate guns and the set of people that wish to decriminalize drugs.
I do not think i want to debate with you on the other subjects, you appear to have your opinion and i do not think that you are in the mindset to actually have a discussion, you just want to shout at people.
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On June 14 2016 17:58 Simberto wrote:
I am pretty sure that there is a very large overlap between the set of people that wish to regulate guns and the set of people that wish to decriminalize drugs.
I do not think i want to debate with you on the other subjects, you appear to have your opinion and i do not think that you are in the mindset to actually have a discussion, you just want to shout at people.
I only get annoyed at hoity-toity Europeans who are self-righteous. Incognoto's post was the epitome of the type of busy-body that you'd normally find in your local home-owners association (and we all know those assholes). If Euro's want to disarm themselves that's their prerogative, but us American's have our own traditions and values, and seemingly, the US thread has more non-Americans putting their .02 cents in, than Americans, meanwhile the EU threads get 1/50th the traffic. Don't you guys have your own 500 million problems to deal with?
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Nah, life is pretty grand here, plus we get more vacation so we can take the the time to care about US politics as well.
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On June 14 2016 18:07 zatic wrote:
Nah, life is pretty grand here, plus we get more vacation so we can take the the time to care about US politics as well.
Can't wait until FN wins national election in France, UKIP in England, we all know about Hungary, Poland, etc. The bitching will be endless and it's coming. Yeah, should be fun, might grab me some poppy corn and soda pop.
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On June 14 2016 18:02 Wegandi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2016 17:58 Simberto wrote:
I am pretty sure that there is a very large overlap between the set of people that wish to regulate guns and the set of people that wish to decriminalize drugs.
I do not think i want to debate with you on the other subjects, you appear to have your opinion and i do not think that you are in the mindset to actually have a discussion, you just want to shout at people. I only get annoyed at hoity-toity Europeans who are self-righteous. Incognoto's post was the epitome of the type of busy-body that you'd normally find in your local home-owners association (and we all know those assholes). If Euro's want to disarm themselves that's their prerogative, but us American's have our own traditions and values, and seemingly, the US thread has more non-Americans putting their .02 cents in, than Americans, meanwhile the EU threads get 1/50th the traffic. Don't you guys have your own 500 million problems to deal with?
Just curious, what possessing a weapon (that's a tool to kill someone, period) has anything to do with a "value". Democracy, or freedom are values. Closing eyes on mass shooting of innocent kids is hardly a value.
Inversely, I could say it's because of my values I would never own a gun : for example I don't believe in violence and I don't loath this machisto crap about feeling empowered because you can destroy a life in an instant.
So, what are the values that the NRA and the Republicans talk about, I'd love to understand. Belief in violence, self defense and machisto fantasies? Those are hardly values.
Anyhow. I don't think you can talk about an american value for that whole gun business. I have many american friends and they all despise and hate those gun fantasies. From what I understand, it really only has to do with conservative white America.
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One thing i don't get, with the comments about gun laws...
The guy worked for G4S, the biggest security contractor in the world.Surely he was carrying a gun anyway, due to his job?
Doesn't G4S do background checks? Why wasn't the FBI recommending them to terminate his employment? Something is seriously wrong here.
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On June 14 2016 18:10 Wegandi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2016 18:07 zatic wrote:
Nah, life is pretty grand here, plus we get more vacation so we can take the the time to care about US politics as well. Can't wait until FN wins national election in France, UKIP in England, we all know about Hungary, Poland, etc. The bitching will be endless and it's coming. Yeah, should be fun, might grab me some poppy corn and soda pop.
You'll be waiting a very, very long time then lmao.
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Two police officers were killed this week by ISIS in their home. The guy was only armed with a knife. No guns. Police officer can have their gun at home. Since they had a child they might have guns underlock but guns didn't help them against the fanatic...
So yeah... Gun defense is all we need right ?
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On June 13 2016 04:37 Plansix wrote:NRA opposed banning sales to people on that list. And the no fly list too.
This is why, screw the NRA.
@wegandi lol are you for real?
Can you even read my post or not? Doing so would allow us to have nice discussions, I don't need to read rants nor do I need some silly person calling me out for being French. Does my being French somehow invalidate my views and arguments? Am I a lesser human being than you? Grow up.
I specifically said these two things:
- I am AGAINST blanket bans.
- I deem that the current regulations in place, especially in Florida, are insufficient. I say this because someone who was not trustworthy legally bought weapons and killed 50 people with it. You disagree?
You read "more gun regulation" as "OH MY GOD THEY ARE GOING TO TAEK MY GUNS". That's not what I said, don't put words in my mouth if you want me to take you seriously.
Edit: Just for fun:
.02 cents
Don't you mean 2 cents? That would be .02 $ :p
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On June 14 2016 19:02 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2016 04:37 Plansix wrote:NRA opposed banning sales to people on that list. And the no fly list too. This is why, screw the NRA. @wegandi lol are you for real? Can you even read my post or not? Doing so would allow us to have nice discussions, I don't need to read rants nor do I need some silly person calling me out for being French. Does my being French somehow invalidate my views and arguments? Am I a lesser human being than you? Grow up. I specifically said these two things: - I am AGAINST blanket bans. - I deem that the current regulations in place, especially in Florida, are insufficient. I say this because someone who was not trustworthy legally bought weapons and killed 50 people with it. You disagree? You read "more gun regulation" as "OH MY GOD THEY ARE GOING TO TAEK MY GUNS". That's not what I said, don't put words in my mouth if you want me to take you seriously. Edit: Just for fun: Don't you mean 2 cents? That would be .02 $ :p
Off topic:
+ Show Spoiler +Yeah, it gave me nightmarish flashbacks to this infamous Verizon video:
On topic... Wegandi, what Incognoto was saying is what half of Americans are saying anyway- that we need to reform our guns laws. It's not appropriate to dismiss him just because he's French.
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As an American, I'd like to remind my European friends that not all of us consider guns an American value.
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On June 14 2016 21:11 farvacola wrote:
As an American, I'd like to remind my European friends are not all of us consider guns an American value.
The central problem is that half of us do.
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On June 14 2016 21:48 ZeaL. wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2016 21:11 farvacola wrote:
As an American, I'd like to remind my European friends are not all of us consider guns an American value. The central problem is that half of us do.
Don't buy in to the NRA hype yo, it's way less than half.
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Am I the only one who gets infuriated with people on Facebook who post shit like "you don't have to own a gun, but I choose to. And I wear it in public to protect the weak, and those who are unarmed". Holy fucking shit. Is that some bad movie script hyperbole or what? And I read this bullshit every goddam day. Ya know what? I watched a dudes face peel off in the Army while he was on fire. I used my bare hands to put a compound fracture back into my buddies leg. And people on fb call me a pussy for not wanting a gun and supporting AR bans? Christ I hate the people of this country more and more every day. I wish I could afford to move.
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On June 14 2016 21:51 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2016 21:48 ZeaL. wrote:On June 14 2016 21:11 farvacola wrote:
As an American, I'd like to remind my European friends are not all of us consider guns an American value. The central problem is that half of us do. Don't buy in to the NRA hype yo, it's way less than half.
It'a more like 1/3 if I recall.
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None of the links work. What is it anyway?
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How are those two options exclusive to each other?
Anyway vigilantism is certainly something to be frowned upon. Some people have the misguided notion that having a gun entitles them to carry out their own brand of justice or something. Pretty bad. <_<
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On June 15 2016 00:03 Ayaz2810 wrote:None of the links work. What is it anyway?
Basically 50/50 every year. Nothing's really changing 
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