• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 22:04
CEST 04:04
KST 11:04
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End9Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915Serral wins Maestros of the Game 244ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7
Community News
Weekly Cups (August 10-16): SHIN doubles2GSTL Returns in 2026!45Weekly Cups (Aug 3-9): Protoss get shut out7RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-2212Weekly Cups (July 27-Aug 2): SHIN's big week0
StarCraft 2
General
Geoff 'iNcontroL' Robinson has passed away SC4ALL II: SC2 Player Announcement 6/8 - Maru GSTL Returns in 2026! Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) Serral wins Maestros of the Game 2
Tourneys
PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August) WORTEX 2026 - Hungarian SC2 Finals Budapest Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament SC2 AI Tournament 2026 Fall 2026 GSTL Announcement
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 539 Thunder Dome Mutation # 538 Media Blackout Mutation # 537 Hostile Territory
Brood War
General
Replay Review Process - What do you do? Pros React To: First 'Fastest' Map in ASL History BW General Discussion [Personal Project Share] Terran Defense v0.60 ASL22 General Discussion
Tourneys
[ASL22] Ro24 Group C Toronto invitational lan 22 august [ASL22] Ro24 Group A [ASL22] Ro24 Group B
Strategy
Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Fighting Spirit mining rates Any training maps people recommend? Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Anyone here play Quakeworld back in the day? Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread EVE Corporation
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Dating: How's your luck? Artificial Intelligence Thread
Fan Clubs
The Creator Fan Club MarineLorD Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
Young Players Exit Esports E…
TrAiDoS
LOCKPICKING NOOB
LUCKY_NOOB
Cathedral Of CS And NY pizza a…
FuDDx
Please support my new stand…
Peanutsc
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 5465 users

If you're seeing this topic then another mass shooting hap…

Forum Index > General Forum
Post a Reply
Prev 1 587 588 589 590 591 891 Next
Although this thread does not function under the same strict guidelines as the USPMT, it is still a general practice on TL to provide a source with an explanation on why it is relevant and what purpose it adds to the discussion. Failure to do so will result in a mod action.
xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5299 Posts
October 16 2015 17:26 GMT
#11761
On October 17 2015 00:47 Ovid wrote:
Why would you want to go around shooting your property to scare someone off anyway, surely shouting out I have a gun and if you don't leave this property I will use lethal force will give a similar effect.

http://www.theguardian.com/science/blog/2013/mar/25/guns-protection-national-rifle-association

4.5 times more likely to die from a gun if you own a gun?
Similar stats about owning knives/other things intended to kill.

If you're escalating a situation be sure as hell the other person will respond in kind. There's not many people out there that are willing to kill an unarmed person for the contents of your house. Like what could someone rob on maximum in the average house, like £5k worth of electrical goods?

you don't get it man. it's the principle of it or, how dare he steal from me!
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
acker
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2958 Posts
December 03 2015 07:45 GMT
#11762
I'm surprised this thread hasn't been bumped, given the recent California shooting, Planned Parenthood shooting, BLM shooting, and Paris shooting.
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10939 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-03 09:48:44
December 03 2015 07:49 GMT
#11763
People start to get bored of the whole thing.

But i can summarise:
Tons of arguments/statistics/whatever vs FREEEDOOM and I would totally kill a guy because my Playstation is my life!.
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8917 Posts
December 03 2015 09:22 GMT
#11764
On December 03 2015 16:45 acker wrote:
I'm surprised this thread hasn't been bumped, given the recent California shooting, Planned Parenthood shooting, BLM shooting, and Paris shooting.

bump for what lol
its going to be the same arguments on both sides
exactly what the person above said
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
December 03 2015 09:32 GMT
#11765
On December 03 2015 16:49 Velr wrote:
People start to get bored of the whole thing.

But i can summarise:
Tons of arguments/statistics/whatever vs FREEEDOOM and I would totally kill a guy because my Playstation is my live!.

yeah nice biased summary
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11954 Posts
December 03 2015 11:12 GMT
#11766
It's actually quite exact. Sometimes reality is biased. And reality is biased towards gun control, no matter the emotional arguments pro-gun people tend to bring.

Gun control very effectively reduces the amount of violent crime, in every single country where it is applied. US gun nuts choose to not believe in reality, and instead believe in what they think reality should be like. Emotional arguments like "You need to protect your family" sound a lot better until you realize that this need to protect your family is a direct result of the prevalence of guns in US society, and other countries simply are a lot safer despite (or more exactly due) to the fact that there are less guns around.
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
December 03 2015 12:03 GMT
#11767
On December 03 2015 20:12 Simberto wrote:
It's actually quite exact. Sometimes reality is biased. And reality is biased towards gun control, no matter the emotional arguments pro-gun people tend to bring.

Gun control very effectively reduces the amount of violent crime, in every single country where it is applied. US gun nuts choose to not believe in reality, and instead believe in what they think reality should be like. Emotional arguments like "You need to protect your family" sound a lot better until you realize that this need to protect your family is a direct result of the prevalence of guns in US society, and other countries simply are a lot safer despite (or more exactly due) to the fact that there are less guns around.




Yeah, how about some statistics.

Cliff Notes: Gun control has had 0 (or even negative) effect on Murders.
Endymion
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States3701 Posts
December 03 2015 12:08 GMT
#11768
what happened in cali?
Have you considered the MMO-Champion forum? You are just as irrational and delusional with the right portion of nostalgic populism. By the way: The old Brood War was absolutely unplayable
Maenander
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany4926 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-03 12:11:39
December 03 2015 12:11 GMT
#11769
No one seems to have any idea why the shooting happened. The shooters have a 6 months old baby, apparently. Poor kid ...
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
December 03 2015 13:25 GMT
#11770
On the plus side, the kid doesn't have crazy as shit parents who would go around thinking of shooting people anymore.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18866 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-03 13:29:22
December 03 2015 13:29 GMT
#11771
Early reports suggest that the shooting is related to a workplace dispute arising out of an office party taking place at a San Bernardino Department of Health location. The whole thing seems a bit too well planned for that to be the case imo.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
December 03 2015 13:39 GMT
#11772
On December 03 2015 21:03 GoTuNk! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2015 20:12 Simberto wrote:
It's actually quite exact. Sometimes reality is biased. And reality is biased towards gun control, no matter the emotional arguments pro-gun people tend to bring.

Gun control very effectively reduces the amount of violent crime, in every single country where it is applied. US gun nuts choose to not believe in reality, and instead believe in what they think reality should be like. Emotional arguments like "You need to protect your family" sound a lot better until you realize that this need to protect your family is a direct result of the prevalence of guns in US society, and other countries simply are a lot safer despite (or more exactly due) to the fact that there are less guns around.


https://youtu.be/8hyQDQPEsrs

Yeah, how about some statistics.

Cliff Notes: Gun control has had 0 (or even negative) effect on Murders.

indeed, the reason i said velr made a biased summary was because he implied the pro-gun camp had no statistics on its side, which is a complete lie.

a lot of people point to the uk and say that there have been no more school shootings since the handgun ban in 1997. well, it's an irrelevant point because there were no school shootings before dunblane either.
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-03 13:42:16
December 03 2015 13:41 GMT
#11773
On December 03 2015 22:39 ahswtini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2015 21:03 GoTuNk! wrote:
On December 03 2015 20:12 Simberto wrote:
It's actually quite exact. Sometimes reality is biased. And reality is biased towards gun control, no matter the emotional arguments pro-gun people tend to bring.

Gun control very effectively reduces the amount of violent crime, in every single country where it is applied. US gun nuts choose to not believe in reality, and instead believe in what they think reality should be like. Emotional arguments like "You need to protect your family" sound a lot better until you realize that this need to protect your family is a direct result of the prevalence of guns in US society, and other countries simply are a lot safer despite (or more exactly due) to the fact that there are less guns around.


https://youtu.be/8hyQDQPEsrs

Yeah, how about some statistics.

Cliff Notes: Gun control has had 0 (or even negative) effect on Murders.

indeed, the reason i said velr made a biased summary was because he implied the pro-gun camp had no statistics on its side, which is a complete lie.

a lot of people point to the uk and say that there have been no more school shootings since the handgun ban in 1997. well, it's an irrelevant point because there were no school shootings before dunblane either.

On the other hand, the "gun ban" (or strict gun law) in Australia dropped their mass shootings from roughly one a year to zero. And I say that as a gun owner who's favorable to gun control within reason.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
RouaF
Profile Joined October 2010
France4121 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-03 13:43:01
December 03 2015 13:42 GMT
#11774
On December 03 2015 22:29 farvacola wrote:
Early reports suggest that the shooting is related to a workplace dispute arising out of an office party taking place at a San Bernardino Department of Health location. The whole thing seems a bit too well planned for that to be the case imo.

The guy and his wife were caught with automatic weapons and paramilitary uniforms or something like that. Office dispute ? I don't think so

Oh and by caught I mean they were gunned down obviously, they probably didn't give the police much choice.
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-03 13:43:17
December 03 2015 13:42 GMT
#11775
On December 03 2015 22:42 RouaF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2015 22:29 farvacola wrote:
Early reports suggest that the shooting is related to a workplace dispute arising out of an office party taking place at a San Bernardino Department of Health location. The whole thing seems a bit too well planned for that to be the case imo.

The guy and his wife were caught with automatic weapons and paramilitary uniforms or something like that. Office dispute ? I don't think so

The guns were not automatic as far as I know. And any asshole can buy a paramilitary uniform to go do a shooting.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
RouaF
Profile Joined October 2010
France4121 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-03 13:45:33
December 03 2015 13:44 GMT
#11776
On December 03 2015 22:42 Djzapz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2015 22:42 RouaF wrote:
On December 03 2015 22:29 farvacola wrote:
Early reports suggest that the shooting is related to a workplace dispute arising out of an office party taking place at a San Bernardino Department of Health location. The whole thing seems a bit too well planned for that to be the case imo.

The guy and his wife were caught with automatic weapons and paramilitary uniforms or something like that. Office dispute ? I don't think so

The guns were not automatic as far as I know. And any asshole can buy a paramilitary uniform to go do a shooting.

I don't know. I read they had assault rifles but I'm not exactly a gun expert.
Yes obviously any asshole can do this but I doubt he would just get into an argument, go to the mall to buy weapons and an uniform for him and his wife and then come back and kill everyone. It was most likely premeditated.
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-03 13:48:15
December 03 2015 13:45 GMT
#11777
On December 03 2015 22:44 RouaF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2015 22:42 Djzapz wrote:
On December 03 2015 22:42 RouaF wrote:
On December 03 2015 22:29 farvacola wrote:
Early reports suggest that the shooting is related to a workplace dispute arising out of an office party taking place at a San Bernardino Department of Health location. The whole thing seems a bit too well planned for that to be the case imo.

The guy and his wife were caught with automatic weapons and paramilitary uniforms or something like that. Office dispute ? I don't think so

The guns were not automatic as far as I know. And any asshole can buy a paramilitary uniform to go do a shooting.

I don't know. I read they had assault rifles but I'm not exactly a gun expert.

Assault rifles are basically semi-automatic rifles with a certain appearance and large magazines or something like that. From my understanding, the definition is convoluted but yeah they were most likely semi-automatics with large magazines.

On December 03 2015 22:44 RouaF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2015 22:42 Djzapz wrote:
On December 03 2015 22:42 RouaF wrote:
On December 03 2015 22:29 farvacola wrote:
Early reports suggest that the shooting is related to a workplace dispute arising out of an office party taking place at a San Bernardino Department of Health location. The whole thing seems a bit too well planned for that to be the case imo.

The guy and his wife were caught with automatic weapons and paramilitary uniforms or something like that. Office dispute ? I don't think so

The guns were not automatic as far as I know. And any asshole can buy a paramilitary uniform to go do a shooting.

Yes obviously any asshole can do this but I doubt he would just get into an argument, go to the mall to buy weapons and an uniform for him and his wife and then come back and kill everyone. It was most likely premeditated.

You'd be surprised to see that people can own those in their homes for years. There's a bunch of americans with militaria in their homes right now. They have these "consumer" body armors with steel plates that can stop rifle rounds and stuff. And there's a bunch of hicks with those in their home for no real reason.

So many people have these "tacticool" things they don't need it's ridiculous.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 03 2015 14:08 GMT
#11778
On December 03 2015 22:44 RouaF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2015 22:42 Djzapz wrote:
On December 03 2015 22:42 RouaF wrote:
On December 03 2015 22:29 farvacola wrote:
Early reports suggest that the shooting is related to a workplace dispute arising out of an office party taking place at a San Bernardino Department of Health location. The whole thing seems a bit too well planned for that to be the case imo.

The guy and his wife were caught with automatic weapons and paramilitary uniforms or something like that. Office dispute ? I don't think so

The guns were not automatic as far as I know. And any asshole can buy a paramilitary uniform to go do a shooting.

I don't know. I read they had assault rifles but I'm not exactly a gun expert.
Yes obviously any asshole can do this but I doubt he would just get into an argument, go to the mall to buy weapons and an uniform for him and his wife and then come back and kill everyone. It was most likely premeditated.

Assault rifles that are purchased in the US are not automatic. You have to pull the trigger each them. Not that is really makes much of a difference, since you can empty a clip very quickly.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Meavis
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Netherlands1300 Posts
December 03 2015 14:17 GMT
#11779
Must admit, the thread title is really starting to grow on me
"Not you."
WonnaPlay
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands912 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-03 14:20:29
December 03 2015 14:18 GMT
#11780
The thing that happened is really sad... however I 'have' to say this...
Every time that I see this thread title, I laugh a bit out loud. It's such a funny thread title, probably even more because it's on a serious topic.

We'll have to wait for more information regarding the motives, since a discussion on such stuff now is pretty useless.
If this was a terrorist attack, they would've gotten access to the guns anyway.
If this was just some sort of cropped up anger, which exploded, then it's an "American issue".

I think it is pretty strong and good of Obama to acknowledge the fact and speak out loud what everyone (especially the rest of the world) is thinking : “We have a pattern now of mass shootings in this country that has no parallel anywhere else in the world,”

But, we'll have to wait for more info...


edit ;
On December 03 2015 23:17 Meavis wrote:
Must admit, the thread title is really starting to grow on me


Lol, I almost made a one-liner aswell, but thought I contribute atleast something in that post
Prev 1 587 588 589 590 591 891 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 7h 56m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech125
RuFF_SC2 110
StarCraft: Brood War
Artosis 1181
MaD[AoV]16
Bale 9
Dota 2
The International46523
NeuroSwarm182
League of Legends
Doublelift4013
JimRising 590
Counter-Strike
minikerr64
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox439
Mew2King55
Other Games
summit1g7505
C9.Mang0326
ViBE115
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1039
[ Show 11 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH412
• Hupsaiya 78
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Other Games
• Scarra1097
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
7h 56m
PiG Sty Festival
9h 56m
Solar vs Reynor
Serral vs TBD
OSC
13h 56m
Afreeca Starleague
1d 7h
hero vs ggaemo
Larva vs Mong
The Patches Monday
1d 13h
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Soulkey vs PianO
JyJ vs sSak
GSL
2 days
PiGosaur Cup
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Mini vs Calm
Queen vs EffOrt
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
5 days
GSL
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S3: W8
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL Season 22: Qualifier 1
RSL Revival: Season 6
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
META DYMY #4
Esports World Cup 2026
Esports World Cup 2026: LCQ
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026

Upcoming

CSL Season 22: Qualifier 2
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - TRS
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Acropolis #5 - GSA
Acropolis #5 - GSB
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Calamity Invitational
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.