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xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5296 Posts
October 16 2015 17:26 GMT
#11761
On October 17 2015 00:47 Ovid wrote:
Why would you want to go around shooting your property to scare someone off anyway, surely shouting out I have a gun and if you don't leave this property I will use lethal force will give a similar effect.

http://www.theguardian.com/science/blog/2013/mar/25/guns-protection-national-rifle-association

4.5 times more likely to die from a gun if you own a gun?
Similar stats about owning knives/other things intended to kill.

If you're escalating a situation be sure as hell the other person will respond in kind. There's not many people out there that are willing to kill an unarmed person for the contents of your house. Like what could someone rob on maximum in the average house, like £5k worth of electrical goods?

you don't get it man. it's the principle of it or, how dare he steal from me!
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
acker
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2958 Posts
December 03 2015 07:45 GMT
#11762
I'm surprised this thread hasn't been bumped, given the recent California shooting, Planned Parenthood shooting, BLM shooting, and Paris shooting.
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10824 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-03 09:48:44
December 03 2015 07:49 GMT
#11763
People start to get bored of the whole thing.

But i can summarise:
Tons of arguments/statistics/whatever vs FREEEDOOM and I would totally kill a guy because my Playstation is my life!.
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8778 Posts
December 03 2015 09:22 GMT
#11764
On December 03 2015 16:45 acker wrote:
I'm surprised this thread hasn't been bumped, given the recent California shooting, Planned Parenthood shooting, BLM shooting, and Paris shooting.

bump for what lol
its going to be the same arguments on both sides
exactly what the person above said
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
December 03 2015 09:32 GMT
#11765
On December 03 2015 16:49 Velr wrote:
People start to get bored of the whole thing.

But i can summarise:
Tons of arguments/statistics/whatever vs FREEEDOOM and I would totally kill a guy because my Playstation is my live!.

yeah nice biased summary
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11686 Posts
December 03 2015 11:12 GMT
#11766
It's actually quite exact. Sometimes reality is biased. And reality is biased towards gun control, no matter the emotional arguments pro-gun people tend to bring.

Gun control very effectively reduces the amount of violent crime, in every single country where it is applied. US gun nuts choose to not believe in reality, and instead believe in what they think reality should be like. Emotional arguments like "You need to protect your family" sound a lot better until you realize that this need to protect your family is a direct result of the prevalence of guns in US society, and other countries simply are a lot safer despite (or more exactly due) to the fact that there are less guns around.
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
December 03 2015 12:03 GMT
#11767
On December 03 2015 20:12 Simberto wrote:
It's actually quite exact. Sometimes reality is biased. And reality is biased towards gun control, no matter the emotional arguments pro-gun people tend to bring.

Gun control very effectively reduces the amount of violent crime, in every single country where it is applied. US gun nuts choose to not believe in reality, and instead believe in what they think reality should be like. Emotional arguments like "You need to protect your family" sound a lot better until you realize that this need to protect your family is a direct result of the prevalence of guns in US society, and other countries simply are a lot safer despite (or more exactly due) to the fact that there are less guns around.




Yeah, how about some statistics.

Cliff Notes: Gun control has had 0 (or even negative) effect on Murders.
Endymion
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States3701 Posts
December 03 2015 12:08 GMT
#11768
what happened in cali?
Have you considered the MMO-Champion forum? You are just as irrational and delusional with the right portion of nostalgic populism. By the way: The old Brood War was absolutely unplayable
Maenander
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany4926 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-03 12:11:39
December 03 2015 12:11 GMT
#11769
No one seems to have any idea why the shooting happened. The shooters have a 6 months old baby, apparently. Poor kid ...
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
December 03 2015 13:25 GMT
#11770
On the plus side, the kid doesn't have crazy as shit parents who would go around thinking of shooting people anymore.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18840 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-03 13:29:22
December 03 2015 13:29 GMT
#11771
Early reports suggest that the shooting is related to a workplace dispute arising out of an office party taking place at a San Bernardino Department of Health location. The whole thing seems a bit too well planned for that to be the case imo.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
December 03 2015 13:39 GMT
#11772
On December 03 2015 21:03 GoTuNk! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2015 20:12 Simberto wrote:
It's actually quite exact. Sometimes reality is biased. And reality is biased towards gun control, no matter the emotional arguments pro-gun people tend to bring.

Gun control very effectively reduces the amount of violent crime, in every single country where it is applied. US gun nuts choose to not believe in reality, and instead believe in what they think reality should be like. Emotional arguments like "You need to protect your family" sound a lot better until you realize that this need to protect your family is a direct result of the prevalence of guns in US society, and other countries simply are a lot safer despite (or more exactly due) to the fact that there are less guns around.


https://youtu.be/8hyQDQPEsrs

Yeah, how about some statistics.

Cliff Notes: Gun control has had 0 (or even negative) effect on Murders.

indeed, the reason i said velr made a biased summary was because he implied the pro-gun camp had no statistics on its side, which is a complete lie.

a lot of people point to the uk and say that there have been no more school shootings since the handgun ban in 1997. well, it's an irrelevant point because there were no school shootings before dunblane either.
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-03 13:42:16
December 03 2015 13:41 GMT
#11773
On December 03 2015 22:39 ahswtini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2015 21:03 GoTuNk! wrote:
On December 03 2015 20:12 Simberto wrote:
It's actually quite exact. Sometimes reality is biased. And reality is biased towards gun control, no matter the emotional arguments pro-gun people tend to bring.

Gun control very effectively reduces the amount of violent crime, in every single country where it is applied. US gun nuts choose to not believe in reality, and instead believe in what they think reality should be like. Emotional arguments like "You need to protect your family" sound a lot better until you realize that this need to protect your family is a direct result of the prevalence of guns in US society, and other countries simply are a lot safer despite (or more exactly due) to the fact that there are less guns around.


https://youtu.be/8hyQDQPEsrs

Yeah, how about some statistics.

Cliff Notes: Gun control has had 0 (or even negative) effect on Murders.

indeed, the reason i said velr made a biased summary was because he implied the pro-gun camp had no statistics on its side, which is a complete lie.

a lot of people point to the uk and say that there have been no more school shootings since the handgun ban in 1997. well, it's an irrelevant point because there were no school shootings before dunblane either.

On the other hand, the "gun ban" (or strict gun law) in Australia dropped their mass shootings from roughly one a year to zero. And I say that as a gun owner who's favorable to gun control within reason.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
RouaF
Profile Joined October 2010
France4120 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-03 13:43:01
December 03 2015 13:42 GMT
#11774
On December 03 2015 22:29 farvacola wrote:
Early reports suggest that the shooting is related to a workplace dispute arising out of an office party taking place at a San Bernardino Department of Health location. The whole thing seems a bit too well planned for that to be the case imo.

The guy and his wife were caught with automatic weapons and paramilitary uniforms or something like that. Office dispute ? I don't think so

Oh and by caught I mean they were gunned down obviously, they probably didn't give the police much choice.
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-03 13:43:17
December 03 2015 13:42 GMT
#11775
On December 03 2015 22:42 RouaF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2015 22:29 farvacola wrote:
Early reports suggest that the shooting is related to a workplace dispute arising out of an office party taking place at a San Bernardino Department of Health location. The whole thing seems a bit too well planned for that to be the case imo.

The guy and his wife were caught with automatic weapons and paramilitary uniforms or something like that. Office dispute ? I don't think so

The guns were not automatic as far as I know. And any asshole can buy a paramilitary uniform to go do a shooting.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
RouaF
Profile Joined October 2010
France4120 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-03 13:45:33
December 03 2015 13:44 GMT
#11776
On December 03 2015 22:42 Djzapz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2015 22:42 RouaF wrote:
On December 03 2015 22:29 farvacola wrote:
Early reports suggest that the shooting is related to a workplace dispute arising out of an office party taking place at a San Bernardino Department of Health location. The whole thing seems a bit too well planned for that to be the case imo.

The guy and his wife were caught with automatic weapons and paramilitary uniforms or something like that. Office dispute ? I don't think so

The guns were not automatic as far as I know. And any asshole can buy a paramilitary uniform to go do a shooting.

I don't know. I read they had assault rifles but I'm not exactly a gun expert.
Yes obviously any asshole can do this but I doubt he would just get into an argument, go to the mall to buy weapons and an uniform for him and his wife and then come back and kill everyone. It was most likely premeditated.
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-03 13:48:15
December 03 2015 13:45 GMT
#11777
On December 03 2015 22:44 RouaF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2015 22:42 Djzapz wrote:
On December 03 2015 22:42 RouaF wrote:
On December 03 2015 22:29 farvacola wrote:
Early reports suggest that the shooting is related to a workplace dispute arising out of an office party taking place at a San Bernardino Department of Health location. The whole thing seems a bit too well planned for that to be the case imo.

The guy and his wife were caught with automatic weapons and paramilitary uniforms or something like that. Office dispute ? I don't think so

The guns were not automatic as far as I know. And any asshole can buy a paramilitary uniform to go do a shooting.

I don't know. I read they had assault rifles but I'm not exactly a gun expert.

Assault rifles are basically semi-automatic rifles with a certain appearance and large magazines or something like that. From my understanding, the definition is convoluted but yeah they were most likely semi-automatics with large magazines.

On December 03 2015 22:44 RouaF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2015 22:42 Djzapz wrote:
On December 03 2015 22:42 RouaF wrote:
On December 03 2015 22:29 farvacola wrote:
Early reports suggest that the shooting is related to a workplace dispute arising out of an office party taking place at a San Bernardino Department of Health location. The whole thing seems a bit too well planned for that to be the case imo.

The guy and his wife were caught with automatic weapons and paramilitary uniforms or something like that. Office dispute ? I don't think so

The guns were not automatic as far as I know. And any asshole can buy a paramilitary uniform to go do a shooting.

Yes obviously any asshole can do this but I doubt he would just get into an argument, go to the mall to buy weapons and an uniform for him and his wife and then come back and kill everyone. It was most likely premeditated.

You'd be surprised to see that people can own those in their homes for years. There's a bunch of americans with militaria in their homes right now. They have these "consumer" body armors with steel plates that can stop rifle rounds and stuff. And there's a bunch of hicks with those in their home for no real reason.

So many people have these "tacticool" things they don't need it's ridiculous.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 03 2015 14:08 GMT
#11778
On December 03 2015 22:44 RouaF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2015 22:42 Djzapz wrote:
On December 03 2015 22:42 RouaF wrote:
On December 03 2015 22:29 farvacola wrote:
Early reports suggest that the shooting is related to a workplace dispute arising out of an office party taking place at a San Bernardino Department of Health location. The whole thing seems a bit too well planned for that to be the case imo.

The guy and his wife were caught with automatic weapons and paramilitary uniforms or something like that. Office dispute ? I don't think so

The guns were not automatic as far as I know. And any asshole can buy a paramilitary uniform to go do a shooting.

I don't know. I read they had assault rifles but I'm not exactly a gun expert.
Yes obviously any asshole can do this but I doubt he would just get into an argument, go to the mall to buy weapons and an uniform for him and his wife and then come back and kill everyone. It was most likely premeditated.

Assault rifles that are purchased in the US are not automatic. You have to pull the trigger each them. Not that is really makes much of a difference, since you can empty a clip very quickly.
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Meavis
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Netherlands1300 Posts
December 03 2015 14:17 GMT
#11779
Must admit, the thread title is really starting to grow on me
"Not you."
WonnaPlay
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands912 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-03 14:20:29
December 03 2015 14:18 GMT
#11780
The thing that happened is really sad... however I 'have' to say this...
Every time that I see this thread title, I laugh a bit out loud. It's such a funny thread title, probably even more because it's on a serious topic.

We'll have to wait for more information regarding the motives, since a discussion on such stuff now is pretty useless.
If this was a terrorist attack, they would've gotten access to the guns anyway.
If this was just some sort of cropped up anger, which exploded, then it's an "American issue".

I think it is pretty strong and good of Obama to acknowledge the fact and speak out loud what everyone (especially the rest of the world) is thinking : “We have a pattern now of mass shootings in this country that has no parallel anywhere else in the world,”

But, we'll have to wait for more info...


edit ;
On December 03 2015 23:17 Meavis wrote:
Must admit, the thread title is really starting to grow on me


Lol, I almost made a one-liner aswell, but thought I contribute atleast something in that post
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