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shenjing
Profile Joined December 2012
Algeria4 Posts
December 17 2012 09:29 GMT
#1641
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
11739 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-17 10:53:16
December 17 2012 10:37 GMT
#1642
On December 16 2012 08:18 docvoc wrote:
Thanks SweeTLemonS! Also, I like the style, but I'm unsure of the last one.


What about it are you unsure of?

Also, I like kinowear.com. I think I'm the only person here that goes to that site, but they have some insights on fashion there from time to time. They used to have more, and then the owner did something else for a while, and I think he's back to it these days.

I'm assuming you're looking for articles like this, this, and their science of style guides.

Stage 2
Stage 3 - 1
Stage 3 - 2
Stage 3 - 3
Stage 3 - 4
Stage 4

(Note: I haven't read all of those, I got a gf and stopped caring about fashion some time around when the first article was released. It touches on a lot of the points I made in an earlier post about what your clothing says about you as a person. I assume the rest of the series is equally good.)

GQ is another good one, obviously.

For shaving enthusiasts, I found this to be true. If you look at my pics, I am obviously not a shaving enthusiast. But, I have used disposable razors, the Mach 3, Shick Quattro, Fusion, and then finally used a standard double edge safety razor. Honestly, the double edge was the best shave I've ever gotten. I nicked myself a couple of times, which doesn't happen with the cartridge razors (Mach 3, Fusion, etc), but it was a much better quality shave than anything else. The best thing about the old double edge is that for what you lose in up front cost, you more than make up in back end costs on blades (WAY cheaper than cartridge blades).

And for those that don't listen to talk radio every morning to hear this site advertising: http://www.dollarshaveclub.com/
Unbranded blades, they have them in 2, 4, and 6 blade options. I haven't ordered from them, but it has to be a better deal that $20 for three cartridges every month from Gillette or Shick. You pay a lot of money for all those advertisements they make, for a product that probably isn't all that superior.
I'm never gonna know you now \ But I'm gonna love you anyhow.
Juliette
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6003 Posts
December 17 2012 11:07 GMT
#1643
I dont really like a lot of that image consulting stuff. Good basic things but as with everything take it with a grain of salt.

Eg he says build outfits, but that's kinda the opposite of what you want when closet building. He me tions that yeah you'll naturally put things together but make sure when you buy, its not for 1 "outfit" but you cam match it with the majority of your wardrobe. Also sales people might not always know anything.

Also diesel as high end jeans lol.

I don't like 3-4 much either. You should dress well for yourself and not to impress anyone else.

To be fair though a lot of the points are good. Figure out what you like and what suits you, look up certain pieces, make sure your purchases are planned and coordinated, and what he failed to mention is research before buying, especially if its an expensive piece.
OKAY FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE I SEE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
December 17 2012 16:06 GMT
#1644
Gingham is a casual spring/summer pattern and weight, and should never be worn with a formal suit, in weather below 65 degrees F, or after dark. Screw GQ for suggesting that this relatively loud and seasonal fabric originally reserved for summery women's dresses should be a staple in every man's shirt wardrobe and is an appropriate way to make a suit look hip/young.

Discuss?
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-17 17:05:49
December 17 2012 17:01 GMT
#1645
On December 18 2012 01:06 JWD wrote:
Gingham is a casual spring/summer pattern and weight, and should never be worn with a formal suit, in weather below 65 degrees F, or after dark. Screw GQ for suggesting that this relatively loud and seasonal fabric originally reserved for summery women's dresses should be a staple in every man's shirt wardrobe and is an appropriate way to make a suit look hip/young.

Discuss?


I personally like Gingham-Oxford. Basically Oxford cloth with a Gingham pattern. One could say they are pretty staple-ish. I like the extra pattern without being too loud (depends on the color really).
This was me trying on a shirt at Brooks Brothers, so don't mind the tags.
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Speaking of which, JWD you never replied to my PM regarding Suit Supply!


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FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-17 17:26:01
December 17 2012 17:25 GMT
#1646
looking good
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andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
December 17 2012 23:19 GMT
#1647
On December 17 2012 18:26 JLew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2012 18:03 andyrau wrote:
On December 17 2012 17:06 JLew wrote:
Hey guys! Just made a post about denim HERE that I hope you all check out! Would love to find some other denim nerds and didn't really want to crowd this thread with just denim talk.. Hope some of you like it!

nudies hasn't been relevant to denim enthusiasts since 2008.
they're like the lucky jeans of the selvedge world. people buy them more for the brand than the actual denim quality.

you also didn't explain selvedge correctly. it's made like that because the looms seal off each piece of fabric automatically and that way it prevents unraveling/fraying. selvedge is a paradox with in itself because it was originally implemented to cut costs/waste of fabric. In an attempt to save material costs, it gave rise to an arguably higher quality of weaving.
also Japanese denim is better because the last surviving original looms exported from the US are located there, hence leading to a greater number of experienced artisans located in that country.

for more enthusiast brands I suggest including 3sixteen, pure blue Japan, sugar cane, lvc, eternal, momotaro, oni, studio d'artisan, and rag n bone.
for beginners cheap Monday and unbranded are pretty good. I think uniqlo had a selvage line but I'm not sure what happened to it.
btw unbranded is coming out with cheap 21oz denim, and might be worth 80bux to fuck around with if you don't wanna pay for elephants or samurais.
Each brand has their perks and downfalls, and should probably do a writeup for it.

I also suggest including an explanation for different types of dye (sulfur based and natural indigo), a starter guide to wearing them including soaks and wash methods, a guide to tailoring and shrinkage, and most importantly clearing up common misconceptions. Two I can think of immediately are 'isn't it disgusting if I don't wash for a long time?' and 'wait my jeans are fading does that mean they're selvedge?' aka the difference between raw and selvedge.

it's not a bad start though.



Your Nudie comment simply isn't true, while they may be a more main stream brand their high end jeans are still accepted as being good quality and their fits are still widely popular. I know people who work for more 'elite' denim companies who still have Nudies as a part of their collection.

I have a pair of Momotaro's and am familiar with every brand you've listed, I just thought that for an introduction to raw denim post I would start with lower price point, easily accessible brands.

Uniqlo just bought J Brand denim and have heard they are shifting around their branding to accommodate for that change.

You said I didn't explain selvedge correctly, then discuss points I basically said in regards to ravelling/fraying but said ''looms naturally close eachother off'' (which I'll admit might be a more simple and efficient way of explaining it than I used, I might take that), then explained how the last remaining shuttle looms were exported to Japan (which I discussed in depth).
I say right in the OP I am going to make a separate post that goes into the details of manufacturing denim when I have more time, but for now I am trying to convey the point that shuttle looms and old manufacturing techniques produce a higher quality product than more modern means of mass production.


Please don't critique an OP that you skimmed through briefly.

PS. Unbranded is ran by Naked and Famous.


on the contrary, I read all of it.

1. go to any enthusiast forum - nobody takes nudies seriously and they haven't since a good while back.

2. If you wanted more accessible brands you should've included Unbranded, which is on a totally different pricepoint and sells to a different demographic than N&F. Again, others to include should be cheap monday, h&m, RT (maybe), and obey. I think h&m sells selvedge but they're pretty shitty overall.

3. That's interesting about Uniqlo, I never knew that. Last I heard people talking about them was ~2 years ago, since then I haven't heard anything about them.

4. you briefly mentioned that the looms were made in the US and sold to Japan, but imo that's primarily the major reason that Japanese denim has a higher quality. I felt the other points you touched on were nonfactors, hence the comment. everyone in raw selvedge rope dyes their warp (most pbj jeans have both warp and weft dyed though) so that's really not something that makes jap denim better.
one thing I want to mention is that levi's still makes both raw selvedge jeans and raw jeans (they call it rigid), along with their regular line of pre-washed denim.

also you should probably tell that dude that talked about dior homme.
Dior Homme is basically the same cut as APC NS except only select pairs are made from selvedge weaves. Also, there's a difference between them being made in Italy and made in Japan. However, all of them fade intensively even though they're prewashed. You're also paying more for the Christian Dior brand than the quality.


On December 18 2012 01:06 JWD wrote:
Gingham is a casual spring/summer pattern and weight, and should never be worn with a formal suit, in weather below 65 degrees F, or after dark. Screw GQ for suggesting that this relatively loud and seasonal fabric originally reserved for summery women's dresses should be a staple in every man's shirt wardrobe and is an appropriate way to make a suit look hip/young.

Discuss?

gq is, in every literal sense of the word, garbage.
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Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
December 18 2012 00:14 GMT
#1648
I had a sudden urge to wear a tie with a T-shirt to school tomorrow.

Am I an idiot?
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
11739 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-18 00:50:32
December 18 2012 00:36 GMT
#1649
On December 18 2012 09:14 Praetorial wrote:
I had a sudden urge to wear a tie with a T-shirt to school tomorrow.

Am I an idiot?


I think it's a horrible look. That doesn't necessarily make you an idiot though.

These are the shoes I picked up a couple nights ago. Haven't worn them, so no pictures with clothes just yet.

I'm considering getting one more pair of shoes. Maybe one of these three.

1
2
3

AE Fifth Avenue are also an option if I can find them at the right price. Except that the couple of pairs I tried on were some of the hardest, most uncomfortable dress shoes I've ever tried. So, as much as I like the look, they might not be for me.
I'm never gonna know you now \ But I'm gonna love you anyhow.
FraCuS
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1072 Posts
December 18 2012 00:46 GMT
#1650
On December 18 2012 09:14 Praetorial wrote:
I had a sudden urge to wear a tie with a T-shirt to school tomorrow.

Am I an idiot?



Unless your emo or in a punk band but do what ever you want.

HATERS GONNA HATE.

I personally wouldn't wear it though.
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Juliette
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6003 Posts
December 18 2012 00:48 GMT
#1651
If you're dropping 200+ why not go AE?

Superior quality, a hair more expensive
OKAY FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE I SEE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
SweeTLemonS[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
11739 Posts
December 18 2012 00:52 GMT
#1652
On December 18 2012 09:48 Juliette wrote:
If you're dropping 200+ why not go AE?

Superior quality, a hair more expensive


The soles are hard and uncomfortable. The quality isn't that significantly better. It's not like Johnston and Murphy make bad shoes. They're sewn on leather soles just like AE. They don't do shoe refurbishing like AE does though.
I'm never gonna know you now \ But I'm gonna love you anyhow.
JLew
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada353 Posts
December 18 2012 01:59 GMT
#1653
On December 18 2012 09:52 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2012 09:48 Juliette wrote:
If you're dropping 200+ why not go AE?

Superior quality, a hair more expensive


The soles are hard and uncomfortable. The quality isn't that significantly better. It's not like Johnston and Murphy make bad shoes. They're sewn on leather soles just like AE. They don't do shoe refurbishing like AE does though.


I have wanted to try Johnson and Murphy shoes before, but the store I work at lets me get Ted Baker at cost, I'm not sure how they stack up in terms of quality but the price I get them for is unbeatable.. Have been thinking about ordering these ones. http://www.tedbaker-london.com/store/mens/smart-lace-up-brogue-GH08-HA2M-CIREK-27.html#thumb
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Juliette
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6003 Posts
December 18 2012 05:37 GMT
#1654
On December 18 2012 09:52 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2012 09:48 Juliette wrote:
If you're dropping 200+ why not go AE?

Superior quality, a hair more expensive


The soles are hard and uncomfortable. The quality isn't that significantly better. It's not like Johnston and Murphy make bad shoes. They're sewn on leather soles just like AE. They don't do shoe refurbishing like AE does though.

Even after they're broken in?

It's better enough that it's worth it though, especially if you want to keep these for a long time / use them regularly. I'm pretty sure (research based) that the leather quality is inferior and they've worsened over the years to mass market. To be fair I don't have any alternatives for you at the $200 price point. My only dress shoes are ~$100 Cole Haans, but I don't wear them often enough to justify AEs. Also Nike Air is really comfortable, get them before the CH is completely sold away if you need sub $130 shoes.



OKAY FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE I SEE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
Najda
Profile Joined June 2010
United States3765 Posts
December 18 2012 18:40 GMT
#1655
What are some good sites I can look through to get some good ideas for outfits? If it had a filter function then that'd be an added bonus. Mostly I've just been doing jeans and a t-shirt because I don't want to be way too hot but I really need to branch out.
JLew
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada353 Posts
December 18 2012 19:18 GMT
#1656
On December 19 2012 03:40 Najda wrote:
What are some good sites I can look through to get some good ideas for outfits? If it had a filter function then that'd be an added bonus. Mostly I've just been doing jeans and a t-shirt because I don't want to be way too hot but I really need to branch out.


In personally think shopping for 'outfits' is the wrong approach. I think you should be looking for good versatile items that you can make a lot of items out of..cardigans, light sweaters, etc. aren't too hot as well as basic and light material button downs. With these items you should be able to mix and match with different pants and shoes to create a lot of different looks. I also think it's good to have atleast 1 or 2 pairs of casual pants that aren't just a blue denim. It helps a lot to diversify your look.

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Juliette
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6003 Posts
December 18 2012 21:03 GMT
#1657
While i agree, i feel like it still helps to look at pictures to develop the style you'd like to wear personally.

As much as i hate to suggest, tumblr #mensfashion isnt awful for it
SF waywrn threads are probably better, although not for me personally. Look through menswear blogs and look at pictures.
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cz
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3249 Posts
December 19 2012 07:19 GMT
#1658
On December 18 2012 09:14 Praetorial wrote:
I had a sudden urge to wear a tie with a T-shirt to school tomorrow.

Am I an idiot?


I think it will look bad, but you can do it anyway. The general rule is no jacket = no tie.
Louuster
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2869 Posts
December 19 2012 07:42 GMT
#1659
I like browsing r/malefashionadvice for random ideas, although be prepared to see a lot of ocbd/chinos/clarks db, which is definitely solid but perhaps not the most original.
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
11739 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-19 09:44:45
December 19 2012 08:07 GMT
#1660
On December 19 2012 16:19 cz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2012 09:14 Praetorial wrote:
I had a sudden urge to wear a tie with a T-shirt to school tomorrow.

Am I an idiot?


I think it will look bad, but you can do it anyway. The general rule is no jacket = no tie.


And no collar = absolutely no tie. Some people can pull of a tie without a jacket, but not many. The rock and movie stars that do it look dumb as shit too. I remember seeing a shot of Adrian Brody in a t-shirt with a tie... looked like a total asshat.

I was just watching a video from "RealStyleRealMen" or something like that on YT (I closed it, or I'd share the link). He feels that Oxfords are too formal for jeans, and that, instead, Bluchers should be worn.

What are people's feelings on that? Personally, I just dislike Bluchers, and I think wearing jeans with Oxfords are just a decent way to dress them down. In the USA, there seems to be less distinction between the two types than in Europe. I'm just curious what the feelings of others are on this matter.
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