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Juliette
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6003 Posts
July 11 2013 21:47 GMT
#2961
not offended! nonono. thats false. and its perfectly good to come in without knowing how to dress. its just that we dont have much to go on when you ask such a broad question.

questions are never a bad thing - its just that its very difficult to answer the two you gave because its out of the blue. its like asking whether i should buy a box fan or one of those smaller rotating fans out of the blue. what's the context? do you live in a dorm room, apartment with little space. how are the windows where you live, and how expensive of a fan can you afford.

likewise, asking "what about brown leather shoes" without saying what you plan to wear with them is a little confusing and hard to answer. especially since brown leather shoes can be either very ugly or very beautiful, since it only refers to the material.

^^
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andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
July 11 2013 22:13 GMT
#2962
Nobody's offended by your question, just people find it inane
People come here all the time asking "sup guys what goes with blue jeans man I'm real stumped"
????

Look at outfits from the average designer/retailer you think that look good, and start off by copying it. If you're still interested in clothing and copying doesn't give you the gratification you want, start researching & envisioning clothes that look good together and listen to the feedback you get.
This shit is like cooking; there's recipes for success, but when you don't like a particular aspect of a meal, just tweak it to your satisfaction. You'd never go into a gourmet cooking thread/conversation and be all "yo guys the fuck goes with MEDIUM RARE steak I'm in dire straits right now like damnnn potatoes r boring but does rice go well with that ish pls dont hurt me for asking"
like damn son that shit goes with everything just don't put ketchup on your steak or smth
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kmpisces
Profile Joined July 2013
United States50 Posts
July 11 2013 23:14 GMT
#2963
I think what looks good with blue jeans depends on many factors. Of course, one factor is where you are located. Here in the US even the different states will kind of "dictate" what looks good. In some areas you can look great wearing a designer shirt with Jeans. In other areas, you will want a Country Western Shirt and Cowboy boats. And it depends on where you are going: whether a night out with guys or a night with your girlfriend.
andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
July 12 2013 04:24 GMT
#2964
On July 12 2013 08:14 kmpisces wrote:
In other areas, you will want a Country Western Shirt and Cowboy boats.

you know what
you're right

I completely forgot how relevant fashion is, out here in the wild west
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.aquila
Profile Joined July 2011
United States68 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-12 04:41:50
July 12 2013 04:41 GMT
#2965
On July 12 2013 13:24 andyrau wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2013 08:14 kmpisces wrote:
In other areas, you will want a Country Western Shirt and Cowboy boats.

you know what
you're right

I completely forgot how relevant fashion is, out here in the wild west


the wild west of tl.net, where everyone would dress in aeropostale and running shoes if they could get away with it
Juliette
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6003 Posts
July 12 2013 12:06 GMT
#2966
I think that guy's a bot. His syntax and content are pretty generic. Look at his other posts.

Is there anything at a japanese mujii thats pretty good that i should have picked up?
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Najda
Profile Joined June 2010
United States3765 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-12 19:27:30
July 12 2013 13:43 GMT
#2967
If wearing an ocbd or shirt of similar style, should I be tucking it in for just casual wear, say, around school? Or is it untucked with jeans, tucked with chinos? Or is it more situational?

Also I'm looking for some shoes that would go with both jeans and chinos, but I don't really know where to look for them. Obviously I can shop online, but having never bought shoes besides sneakers I would like to try them on first but it isn't necessary. What style/color/material should I look for? Would like to keep it <$100 if possible.

I haven't bought any chinos yet but I'll probably just get 2-3, but for colors I was thinking a khaki, a gray, and maybe some brighter color? Not sure.
phosej
Profile Joined August 2007
173 Posts
July 12 2013 16:46 GMT
#2968
On July 12 2013 21:06 Juliette wrote:
I think that guy's a bot. His syntax and content are pretty generic. Look at his other posts.

Is there anything at a japanese mujii thats pretty good that i should have picked up?

Their pen/pencils/stationary are really nice, garment cases/toiletry bottles are good too. Check out the organic canvas tote. I haven't handled much of their clothes but they seem decent for the price although cut for an asian build
greggy
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom1483 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-13 10:49:37
July 13 2013 10:45 GMT
#2969
On July 12 2013 21:06 Juliette wrote:
I think that guy's a bot. His syntax and content are pretty generic. Look at his other posts.

Is there anything at a japanese mujii thats pretty good that i should have picked up?


shoe trees if you need any, most of their generic houseware stuff is pretty good too. it's basically japanese ikea minus the flatpack


I need/want a sweater. Kinda undecided between this acne and this apc. Not sure about the stripes though. btw oki-ni has a massive sale on at the moment in case you haven't seen, CPs recs for £105, etc.
forgotten0ne
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States951 Posts
July 14 2013 20:08 GMT
#2970
First time poster in here, but I need your guys' help.

I love pandas, and my girlfriend recently sent me this picture she found.

[image loading]

I love the picture, but I've realized I REALLY like the outfit, but have no idea how to put it together for myself.

Could I get some help finding the corresponding pieces without breaking the bank?
"Well it’s obvious that these Terran gamers are just extremely gifted when it comes to RTS games" -Ret, in regards to the first months of SC2
Juliette
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6003 Posts
July 14 2013 20:50 GMT
#2971
It's a light grey peak lapel jacket, looks like some sort of shirt jacket, and a thicker cotton (ocbd?) shirt layered aggressively

Also that reminds me of mensweardog

Many stores carry all those pieces except the middle layer. What is "breaking the bank" and can you give some measurements so we can offer commentary on where you should pick them up?
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HeavenResign
Profile Joined April 2011
United States702 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-15 02:09:07
July 15 2013 02:06 GMT
#2972
I want a toj mdr so bad. The money exists but an $800 semi-impulse purchase just isn't a smart move for me right now. Wish they'd still be around a year from now.

Oh and:

On July 12 2013 22:43 Najda wrote:
If wearing an ocbd or shirt of similar style, should I be tucking it in for just casual wear, say, around school? Or is it untucked with jeans, tucked with chinos? Or is it more situational?

Also I'm looking for some shoes that would go with both jeans and chinos, but I don't really know where to look for them. Obviously I can shop online, but having never bought shoes besides sneakers I would like to try them on first but it isn't necessary. What style/color/material should I look for? Would like to keep it <$100 if possible.

I haven't bought any chinos yet but I'll probably just get 2-3, but for colors I was thinking a khaki, a gray, and maybe some brighter color? Not sure.


imo keep the ocbd untucked unless you're wearing it non-casually, like with a bizcaz outfit.

Uhh imo a boot would be preferable specifically for wearing with jeans/chinos especially if you're just dipping outside of sneakers. For around $100 I'd look at the chippewa apache

http://www.amazon.com/Chippewa-20065-Handcrafted-Lace-Up-Chocolate/dp/B0036VN8PO/ref=sr_1_4?s=shoes&ie=UTF8&qid=1373853877&sr=1-4&keywords=chippewa boot

or a chukka boot, a lot of people recommend clark desert boots which if you wait for it on amazon or something will typically go under $100.

Najda
Profile Joined June 2010
United States3765 Posts
July 15 2013 02:48 GMT
#2973
On July 15 2013 11:06 HeavenResign wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2013 22:43 Najda wrote:
If wearing an ocbd or shirt of similar style, should I be tucking it in for just casual wear, say, around school? Or is it untucked with jeans, tucked with chinos? Or is it more situational?

Also I'm looking for some shoes that would go with both jeans and chinos, but I don't really know where to look for them. Obviously I can shop online, but having never bought shoes besides sneakers I would like to try them on first but it isn't necessary. What style/color/material should I look for? Would like to keep it <$100 if possible.

I haven't bought any chinos yet but I'll probably just get 2-3, but for colors I was thinking a khaki, a gray, and maybe some brighter color? Not sure.


imo keep the ocbd untucked unless you're wearing it non-casually, like with a bizcaz outfit.

Uhh imo a boot would be preferable specifically for wearing with jeans/chinos especially if you're just dipping outside of sneakers. For around $100 I'd look at the chippewa apache

http://www.amazon.com/Chippewa-20065-Handcrafted-Lace-Up-Chocolate/dp/B0036VN8PO/ref=sr_1_4?s=shoes&ie=UTF8&qid=1373853877&sr=1-4&keywords=chippewa boot

or a chukka boot, a lot of people recommend clark desert boots which if you wait for it on amazon or something will typically go under $100.



I don't think I could pull off boots in Florida very well for at least another couple months, or am I wrong to think that?
Juliette
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6003 Posts
July 15 2013 02:52 GMT
#2974
ocbd/chinos might be a little hot in florida. consider a linen blend for both

also tucking depends on the situation and what you think looks good

sneakers can actually work depending on the chino style. if its more formal it wont work but some casual chinos will still look okay. other than your standard oxford shoes or whatever penny loafers might be a good option for the heat. get no show socks.

khaki/grey/navy are safe bets.

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HeavenResign
Profile Joined April 2011
United States702 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-15 03:22:03
July 15 2013 03:16 GMT
#2975
On July 15 2013 11:48 Najda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2013 11:06 HeavenResign wrote:
On July 12 2013 22:43 Najda wrote:
If wearing an ocbd or shirt of similar style, should I be tucking it in for just casual wear, say, around school? Or is it untucked with jeans, tucked with chinos? Or is it more situational?

Also I'm looking for some shoes that would go with both jeans and chinos, but I don't really know where to look for them. Obviously I can shop online, but having never bought shoes besides sneakers I would like to try them on first but it isn't necessary. What style/color/material should I look for? Would like to keep it <$100 if possible.

I haven't bought any chinos yet but I'll probably just get 2-3, but for colors I was thinking a khaki, a gray, and maybe some brighter color? Not sure.


imo keep the ocbd untucked unless you're wearing it non-casually, like with a bizcaz outfit.

Uhh imo a boot would be preferable specifically for wearing with jeans/chinos especially if you're just dipping outside of sneakers. For around $100 I'd look at the chippewa apache

http://www.amazon.com/Chippewa-20065-Handcrafted-Lace-Up-Chocolate/dp/B0036VN8PO/ref=sr_1_4?s=shoes&ie=UTF8&qid=1373853877&sr=1-4&keywords=chippewa boot

or a chukka boot, a lot of people recommend clark desert boots which if you wait for it on amazon or something will typically go under $100.



I don't think I could pull off boots in Florida very well for at least another couple months, or am I wrong to think that?


nah you're on point, it's probably steaming down there. Also Juliette's right that you could totally wear sneakers both with chinos and jeans if they aren't dress chinos and the rest of the look is pretty casual. It really just depends on the individual sneaker.

Leaning on juliette's suggestion, maybe a pair of brown suede bucks? It's hard to know without knowing your style.camp mocs are probably something I'd prefer with chinos but they can work with jeans and they fit your other requirements of being good in hot weather, you can go sockless/no show socks (actually you probably should), and depending on where you are in Fl if you never know when you'll get caught in the rain it's not a big deal if they get wet.
Juliette
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6003 Posts
July 15 2013 03:26 GMT
#2976
yeah, it really does depend on your own style. what do YOU think looks good? browse some WAYRN threads (reddit might be pretty good for this aesthetic, ive seen it a lot on dappered too but they dont always look very good), figure something out for yourself. we can help with suggestions, recommendations, etc, but how about you post some pictures of how you normally dress/want to dress?
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Najda
Profile Joined June 2010
United States3765 Posts
July 15 2013 04:19 GMT
#2977
What's WAYRN? What are you wearing right now?

I'll post pics if you want, but it's nothing imaginative. I mostly just wear jeans/shorts + tee atm, which is why I'm looking to expand my wardrobe. I'm not exactly sure what style I'm going for, just that I want to look like I know what I'm doing when I dress myself in the morning.

There's a big outlet mall 30 minutes from where I live, I'll probably head over there and browse to see what there is that I like.

List of shops:
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Adidas
Aeropostale
American Eagle Outfitters
Ann Taylor Factory Store
Banana Republic Factory Store
BCBG Max Azria
Brooks Brothers Factory Store
Calvin Klein
Charlotte Russe
Chico's
Columbia Sportswear
Converse
DKNY
Dressbarn
Dressbarn Woman
Ecko Unltd
G.H. Bass & Co.
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Guess Factory Store
Haggar Clothing Co.
HanesBrands
Hurley
Izod
J.Crew
Jockey
Jones New York
Juicy Couture
Kate Spade New York
Kenneth Cole
Lacoste
Lane Bryant Outlet
Levi's Outlet Store
Loft Outlet
Lucky Brand
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Motherhood Maternity
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Oakley Vault
PacSun
Perry Ellis
Polo Ralph Lauren Factory Store
Puma
Quiksilver
Reebok
Rue21
Saks Fifth Avenue Off 5th
Soma Intimates
Tommy Hilfiger
U.S. Polo Assn.
Under Armour
Van Heusen
VF Outlet
White House Black Market
Wilsons Leather


Brook's Brothers, J Crew, Banana Republic, Gap, Levi's, and maybe Izod? are on the list of places I want to go to first. I much prefer shopping in person vs online so I can try things on. If anything I'll just take pictures in the dressing room for feedback.
Juliette
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6003 Posts
July 15 2013 04:24 GMT
#2978
yeah.

post pictures of what you want to look like

what outlet is that?

try polo RL. they have some decent stuff, and its a step up from gap. brooks outlet tends to not carry extra slim fit stuff so be wary. but worth a check.

quality wise, brooks > polo > j crew > br > gap i would say. should be similar pricepoint wise too. remember that outlet stuff is sometimes made for outlets and are inferior in quality. also lacoste does actually make decent polos (albeit a little overpriced - you pay for the damn crocodile) if you're into those.
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Najda
Profile Joined June 2010
United States3765 Posts
July 15 2013 20:22 GMT
#2979
Didn't like any of the shirts I found, but I did find some pants:

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[image loading]


I got those and a khaki color for $45 total. It's not a perfect fit, but good for the money and better than the Bonobos that I previously ordered and returned, though I definitely noticed the difference in quality.

Also I tried on some shoes, and I liked some Sperry's that I found, but din't get them since it would have exceeded my budget for the day (was mainly just going to check things out). I think I like shoe #2 better, could go either way though.

Shoe #1

Shoe #2

Now it's time to shop for a few shirts.
Juliette
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6003 Posts
July 15 2013 23:01 GMT
#2980
big in the thigh but you can get that taken in

the boat shoe looks better than the mocs but lots of people here dont like boat shoes so no comment lol.
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