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On December 17 2011 05:43 gosuMalicE wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 05:17 xrapture wrote:On December 17 2011 05:07 MCMXVI wrote:On December 17 2011 04:53 xrapture wrote:
Everyone wants everything for free and doesn't care about the people who produced the content they are infringing upon. Grow up guys, you all knew this was coming. You really think it's fair for an artists' content to be posted all over the place without his consent? Playing or posting copyrighted music is the equivalent of posting a thread that consists of A Dance with Dragon's entire text. You strike me as a guy who swallows the 'if you have nothing hide...' argument whole. Patriot Act is in place to catch terrorists, and will never, ever be abused....... Government says they need to take all your liberties away to keep you safe, but you'll agree to it because of course, you have nothing to hide! SOPA is a tool made to abuse, masked behind a novel idea of stopping piracy. This is nothing new, and if history has thought us anything, it is that governments (or rather, the power elite) will do whatever it takes to stay in power. Recently, a Swiss court decision denied the RIAA and MPAA(?) to change the copyright law in Sweden, err.. Switzerland and added (after a study conducted) that online pirates buy as much music and/or movies than people who do not pirate stuff. What liberties have we earned? Last time I checked we're all here because our fathers screwed our mothers, we didn't do anything to earn the right to be here or to be granted complete liberty. You're really against the Patriot Act? You really think the government cares if some dude is emailing tranny hookers on craigslist to meet behind a 7/11 for a quickie? No, they instilled it to stop blatant acts of terrorism. Giving up a little of your "liberty" isn't worth preventing another 9/11? It amazes me how millions of people are able to live their lives dictated by a religion, yet when someone has to walk through airport security they think they are being violated. But were does it stop? What is tomorrow somebody preformed an act of terrorism in a school with an explosive device hidden in their rectum. And as a response congress mandates that everyone entering a school has to be cavity searched. Is that alright? I mean by your logic if someone did it then everyone else could so it is necessarily to "protect" us. Or what if a study found that 90% of terrorist acts are planed in the bedroom, is it cool if we just throw a camera and microphone into everyone's bedroom, Sure it will be a bit creepy when you are having sex but hey its for protection right? I really hate people like you, why don't you go live in a padded room, that way you will never get hurt. I think B. Franklin said it best "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Slippery slope fallacy transition into an insult. I'll be on my way.
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Coming next TeamLiquid hosted in the Caïman Islands ! ^^
After Tax havens, Internet havens.
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On December 17 2011 06:30 xrapture wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 05:43 gosuMalicE wrote:On December 17 2011 05:17 xrapture wrote:On December 17 2011 05:07 MCMXVI wrote:On December 17 2011 04:53 xrapture wrote:
Everyone wants everything for free and doesn't care about the people who produced the content they are infringing upon. Grow up guys, you all knew this was coming. You really think it's fair for an artists' content to be posted all over the place without his consent? Playing or posting copyrighted music is the equivalent of posting a thread that consists of A Dance with Dragon's entire text. You strike me as a guy who swallows the 'if you have nothing hide...' argument whole. Patriot Act is in place to catch terrorists, and will never, ever be abused....... Government says they need to take all your liberties away to keep you safe, but you'll agree to it because of course, you have nothing to hide! SOPA is a tool made to abuse, masked behind a novel idea of stopping piracy. This is nothing new, and if history has thought us anything, it is that governments (or rather, the power elite) will do whatever it takes to stay in power. Recently, a Swiss court decision denied the RIAA and MPAA(?) to change the copyright law in Sweden, err.. Switzerland and added (after a study conducted) that online pirates buy as much music and/or movies than people who do not pirate stuff. What liberties have we earned? Last time I checked we're all here because our fathers screwed our mothers, we didn't do anything to earn the right to be here or to be granted complete liberty. You're really against the Patriot Act? You really think the government cares if some dude is emailing tranny hookers on craigslist to meet behind a 7/11 for a quickie? No, they instilled it to stop blatant acts of terrorism. Giving up a little of your "liberty" isn't worth preventing another 9/11? It amazes me how millions of people are able to live their lives dictated by a religion, yet when someone has to walk through airport security they think they are being violated. But were does it stop? What is tomorrow somebody preformed an act of terrorism in a school with an explosive device hidden in their rectum. And as a response congress mandates that everyone entering a school has to be cavity searched. Is that alright? I mean by your logic if someone did it then everyone else could so it is necessarily to "protect" us. Or what if a study found that 90% of terrorist acts are planed in the bedroom, is it cool if we just throw a camera and microphone into everyone's bedroom, Sure it will be a bit creepy when you are having sex but hey its for protection right? I really hate people like you, why don't you go live in a padded room, that way you will never get hurt. I think B. Franklin said it best "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Slippery slope fallacy transition into an insult. I'll be on my way.
Troll transitioning into leaving, I'm happy.
Also how is that a slippery slope fallacy? I am posing several hypothetical parallels with Increasing degrees of severity in an attempt to gauge what you would condenser "too far" in the restricting of our freedoms, I was in no was saying these things were going to happen. Did you misinterpret my first line as a rhetorical question rather then an actual one? I guess I did not make it clear enough.
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Im new to the whole debate, but couldnt blizzard just say "We have no problems with people streaming SC 2?"
So, if you take the whole thing just SC 2 related.
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On December 17 2011 06:37 GoSuChicken wrote:
Im new to the whole debate, but couldnt blizzard just say "We have no problems with people streaming SC 2?"
So, if you take the whole thing just SC 2 related.
Yes but Sc2 streams are hosted on websites that also host other streams, and the entire website will be blocked if even one of those streams contains infringing activity.
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On December 17 2011 06:43 gosuMalicE wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 06:37 GoSuChicken wrote:
Im new to the whole debate, but couldnt blizzard just say "We have no problems with people streaming SC 2?"
So, if you take the whole thing just SC 2 related. Yes but Sc2 streams are hosted on websites that also host other streams, and the entire website will be blocked if even one of those streams contains infringing activity.
Websites could also still decide to block the streams to ensure they get to keep their immunity status for voluntarily blocking infringing content, especially for streams that might happen to have copyrighted music playing at some point.
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On December 17 2011 06:43 gosuMalicE wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 06:37 GoSuChicken wrote:
Im new to the whole debate, but couldnt blizzard just say "We have no problems with people streaming SC 2?"
So, if you take the whole thing just SC 2 related. Yes but Sc2 streams are hosted on websites that also host other streams, and the entire website will be blocked if even one of those streams contains infringing activity.
For some reason some people in the SC2 community doesn't understand this. Which is why this is a problem for all of eSports which is part of the internet.
On the bright side right now, SOPA has been postponed until after the new years break. There's still some time left to make the reddit petition stronger. Let's all keep spreading the word about SOPA and informing others.
heres the petition: http://act.boldprogressives.org/survey/survey_sopa_reddit/?source=fbs-victory
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On December 17 2011 06:44 Logo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 06:43 gosuMalicE wrote:On December 17 2011 06:37 GoSuChicken wrote:
Im new to the whole debate, but couldnt blizzard just say "We have no problems with people streaming SC 2?"
So, if you take the whole thing just SC 2 related. Yes but Sc2 streams are hosted on websites that also host other streams, and the entire website will be blocked if even one of those streams contains infringing activity. Websites could also still decide to block the streams to ensure they get to keep their immunity status for voluntarily blocking infringing content, especially for streams that might happen to have copyrighted music playing at some point.
But the thing is the "Protected Harbor Clause" is part of the DMCA which only applies to american companies, just some others were playing ball to be nice. With SOPA unless the sites fall under a us hosted domain (.net/.org/.com) it will almost certainly be punished with SOPA regulations rather then DMCA ones so there will be no more "blocking of a stream to retain protected harbor status" on many websites there were just be a complete block on the website from viewing by anyone inside the USA.
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For all of you saying that it will never pass, I have one thing to say to you:
The word is improbable, not impossible.
The fact is, even the possibility that something like this could ever happen is daunting, and is the source of many books. Seriously, this is 1984.
In George Orwell's 1984, the world is governed by 3 superpowers. In the specific country in which the protagonist lives (Oceania), the government is halfway through completing a different type of censorship, the censorship of language. They have created a new, revised form of English that actually removes words from its vocabulary every year, reducing the amount of expression that can be used. It limits the freedom of speech, and so will this.
Now a small little call to action, and let's make it understandable, shall we? What's the best way to prevent a Zerg from expanding? Attack him to put pressure on! There shouldn't be any thought in this, as long as this is being deliberated, there's a chance that this bill could pass. We need to destroy it before it ever gets that chance. Don't let it get to Obama. Don't give him the chance not to veto it.
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On December 17 2011 06:37 GoSuChicken wrote:
Im new to the whole debate, but couldnt blizzard just say "We have no problems with people streaming SC 2?"
So, if you take the whole thing just SC 2 related.
its not just sc2.. what about the music on those streams? =]
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On December 17 2011 06:37 GoSuChicken wrote:
Im new to the whole debate, but couldnt blizzard just say "We have no problems with people streaming SC 2?"
So, if you take the whole thing just SC 2 related.
i will copyright this picture =>>>  under US law
so now i have the right to sent a letter to every ISP located in US to SHUT DOWN EVERY WEBSITES that has this smiley face on their website, no matter if it is user generated contents or website's contents. Noticed how this is done without a court order, as soon as i decorate my letter with some nice looking proof on copyrights, the ISP will shut the websites down (by filtering it in the DSN).
so now, assuming all the thing in twitch is clean and has no copy right violation etc... i could go up there, post my smiley face anonymously, then take that as a proof to shut down the entire twitch.tv and justin.tv websites system.
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On December 17 2011 07:35 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 06:37 GoSuChicken wrote:
Im new to the whole debate, but couldnt blizzard just say "We have no problems with people streaming SC 2?"
So, if you take the whole thing just SC 2 related. i will copyright this picture =>>> under US law so now i have the right to sent a letter to every ISP located in US to SHUT DOWN EVERY WEBSITES that has this smiley face on their website, no matter if it is user generated contents or website's contents. Noticed how this is done without a court order, as soon as i decorate my letter with some nice looking proof on copyrights, the ISP will shut the websites down (by filtering it in the DSN). so now, assuming all the thing in twitch is clean and has no copy right violation etc... i could go up there, post my smiley face anonymously, then take that as a proof to shut down the entire twitch.tv and justin.tv websites system.
You dont actually need to have the face copyrighted you just have to claim you do(no legal oversight on take down orders). The sites will still be blocked and the only way for them to be brought back up is for their operators to take you to court after the fact and win (which they will cause you never actually copyrighted, trololol) But the damage will still be done (think losses from a major website being taken down for weeks/months).
And yes it can be abused as easily as you think. There was an amendment put forward to make the looser of these court cases responsible for the legal fees of the winner, which would prevent at least some of the possible massive abuse and trolling of the system (but lets face it its a horrible system in its entirety anyway). But that got shot down 22-11 because people don't actually understand what they are voting for.
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On December 17 2011 04:53 xrapture wrote:
Everyone wants everything for free and doesn't care about the people who produced the content they are infringing upon. Grow up guys, you all knew this was coming. You really think it's fair for an artists' content to be posted all over the place without his consent? Playing or posting copyrighted music is the equivalent of posting a thread that consists of A Dance with Dragon's entire text.
God forbid people try before they buy.
I pay for everything, and I still am opposed to this.
Closing statement, you're as ignorant as those politicians and it's astounding that you even managed to FIND team liquid.
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On December 17 2011 05:17 xrapture wrote:
Giving up a little of your "liberty" isn't worth preventing another 9/11? It amazes me how millions of people are able to live their lives dictated by a religion, yet when someone has to walk through airport security they think they are being violated.
China loves your kind of mindset. Very easy to control.
Benjamin Franklin had something to say about how stupid it is to give up your liberty.
“Those who would give up Essential Liberty, to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety"
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Apparently they adjourned until 2012.
No source, sorry.
If it's true though, we have 15 more days to write letters!
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On December 17 2011 06:44 Logo wrote:
Websites could also still decide to block the streams to ensure they get to keep their immunity status for voluntarily blocking infringing content, especially for streams that might happen to have copyrighted music playing at some point.
Possible, yet impossible.
The problem is that the second anything even APPEARS on their site, they are 100% liable, which means they have to censor and filter things BEFORE they hit the website. So what you'd have to have is a 30+ second delay in which someone working for the stream website is watching the stream and intercepting stuff before it makes it to your eyes. Second a copyrighted song comes on, your stream gets cut off. And unless these guys are the best thing in the world, there would just be a shitstorm over what music is legally allowed on that stream or not.
It's just the most monumental bureaucratic clusterfuck in the history of the Internet. All in the name of the RIAA and MPAA who are simply acting like children and rather than evolve with the internet, and are simply trying the same old bullshit they always have in a short-sighted squeeze for profits, because the shareholders are inappropriately their top priority. Same thing Comcast is doing, rather than get with the times and offer competitive service.
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On December 17 2011 07:57 FIStarcraft wrote:
Apparently they adjourned until 2012.
No source, sorry.
If it's true though, we have 15 more days to write letters!
Your the kind of person that only reads the first and last page of a thread before posing aren't you....
(HINT: look back a page its already been said, twice.)
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A lot of you are not understanding this law completely.
If someone on Twitch is streaming something, even if there is absolutely NO copyright infringement, according to SOPA, the entirety of Twitch can be shut down.
Understand that there is NO DUE PROCESS in this law.
If Activision doesn't like the color green, and you are streaming something green, Activision can shut your streaming and Twitch down, EASILY. The fact that there is no due process, the fact that anything can be shut down, is fucking absurd. Just like the NDAA... they don't need any proof at all. Once an international is accused of terrorism, they can be sent indefinitely to prison with no due process.
Please understand that this isn't simply "oh artists deserve their cut, people want everything for free!" This is literally giving UNPRECEDENTED powers to accusers.
Running an online store where you sell custom T-shirts? If any company even *thinks* you're infringing on their copyright, your site WILL get shut down. There is no separate committee or group of people that will check to see if you actually are infringing. They (the people accusing you) don't even need to send you a NOTICE that you're infringing. They will go get a court order that instructs your ISP to close down your stuff. Simple as that.
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ATTENTION:The debate is back on next Wednesday now.
NDAA and SOPA are making this government too big. This is something that requires everyone to participate and help out as much as possible, even if its something little like spreading the word and trying to wake people up. The thing that sucks the most is that the people who are asleep are like non zombified zombies. The question is how do you convince them and "wake" them up even though they appear awake. You can't go wrong if you are fighting for liberty.
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