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On December 17 2011 04:53 xrapture wrote:
Everyone wants everything for free and doesn't care about the people who produced the content they are infringing upon. Grow up guys, you all knew this was coming. You really think it's fair for an artists' content to be posted all over the place without his consent? Playing or posting copyrighted music is the equivalent of posting a thread that consists of A Dance with Dragon's entire text.
You think this is only about piracy eh?
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On December 17 2011 05:07 MCMXVI wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 04:53 xrapture wrote:
Everyone wants everything for free and doesn't care about the people who produced the content they are infringing upon. Grow up guys, you all knew this was coming. You really think it's fair for an artists' content to be posted all over the place without his consent? Playing or posting copyrighted music is the equivalent of posting a thread that consists of A Dance with Dragon's entire text. You strike me as a guy who swallows the 'if you have nothing hide...' argument whole. Patriot Act is in place to catch terrorists, and will never, ever be abused....... Government says they need to take all your liberties away to keep you safe, but you'll agree to it because of course, you have nothing to hide! SOPA is a tool made to abuse, masked behind a novel idea of stopping piracy. This is nothing new, and if history has thought us anything, it is that governments (or rather, the power elite) will do whatever it takes to stay in power. Recently, a Swiss court decision denied the RIAA and MPAA(?) to change the copyright law in Sweden, err.. Switzerland and added (after a study conducted) that online pirates buy as much music and/or movies than people who do not pirate stuff.
What liberties have we earned? Last time I checked we're all here because our fathers screwed our mothers, we didn't do anything to earn the right to be here or to be granted complete liberty. You're really against the Patriot Act? You really think the government cares if some dude is emailing tranny hookers on craigslist to meet behind a 7/11 for a quickie? No, they instilled it to stop blatant acts of terrorism.
Giving up a little of your "liberty" isn't worth preventing another 9/11? It amazes me how millions of people are able to live their lives dictated by a religion, yet when someone has to walk through airport security they think they are being violated.
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On December 17 2011 03:42 Zalithian wrote:
I still can't wrap my head around this quote from wired.com. "Smith’s measure, as amended, also clarifies that sites ending in .com, .org and .net are not covered by the bill. Only foreign sites fall under the revised SOPA’s wrath."
Do not understand.
Well how it is "supposed" to work is that since .com/.org/.net are all american hosted domains they can already sue/get stuff taken down under DMCA, the problem is that foreign hosted sites (everything but .com/.net/.org) do not fall under this jurisdiction and cant really be ordered to take down anything (reliably) because other countries have different copyright laws, so the SOPA is supposed to get around this by allowing "infringing" foreign hosted sites to be blocked f users based in the USA. The are 2 MAIN concerns to be raised however
1. The wording of the bill is extremely vague and allows basically any site to be taken town on the whim of a content provider (Big entertainment), with no legal oversight, and then put the burden of proving weather or not the site was actually infringing/can be unblocked on the owners/operators of the website in question. The way it is written currently; google, youtube, or any website with a forum(basically every website ever), could be taken down if 1 individual link/post/whatever to "infringing" material is found (or even if it isnt, because there is no legal oversight). Also it uses DNS blocking which is pointless and can be ignored entirely if you know even a little bit about what you are doing.
2. The issue of weather internet censorship should even be allowed at all.
Well stopping piracy is a good idea, this bill will not even come close to doing that (or even slowing it) and will just result in a massive shitstorm that could fuck up the internet.
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is it going to effect SC2 streams?
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On December 17 2011 05:17 xrapture wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 05:07 MCMXVI wrote:On December 17 2011 04:53 xrapture wrote:
Everyone wants everything for free and doesn't care about the people who produced the content they are infringing upon. Grow up guys, you all knew this was coming. You really think it's fair for an artists' content to be posted all over the place without his consent? Playing or posting copyrighted music is the equivalent of posting a thread that consists of A Dance with Dragon's entire text. You strike me as a guy who swallows the 'if you have nothing hide...' argument whole. Patriot Act is in place to catch terrorists, and will never, ever be abused....... Government says they need to take all your liberties away to keep you safe, but you'll agree to it because of course, you have nothing to hide! SOPA is a tool made to abuse, masked behind a novel idea of stopping piracy. This is nothing new, and if history has thought us anything, it is that governments (or rather, the power elite) will do whatever it takes to stay in power. Recently, a Swiss court decision denied the RIAA and MPAA(?) to change the copyright law in Sweden, err.. Switzerland and added (after a study conducted) that online pirates buy as much music and/or movies than people who do not pirate stuff. What liberties have we earned? Last time I checked we're all here because our fathers screwed our mothers, we didn't do anything to earn the right to be here or to be granted complete liberty. You're really against the Patriot Act? You really think the government cares if some dude is emailing tranny hookers on craigslist to meet behind a 7/11 for a quickie? No, they instilled it to stop blatant acts of terrorism. Giving up a little of your "liberty" isn't worth preventing another 9/11? It amazes me how millions of people are able to live their lives dictated by a religion, yet when someone has to walk through airport security they think they are being violated.
But were does it stop? What is tomorrow somebody preformed an act of terrorism in a school with an explosive device hidden in their rectum. And as a response congress mandates that everyone entering a school has to be cavity searched. Is that alright? I mean by your logic if someone did it then everyone else could so it is necessarily to "protect" us. Or what if a study found that 90% of terrorist acts are planed in the bedroom, is it cool if we just throw a camera and microphone into everyone's bedroom, Sure it will be a bit creepy when you are having sex but hey its for protection right?
I really hate people like you, why don't you go live in a padded room, that way you will never get hurt.
I think B. Franklin said it best
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
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On December 17 2011 05:43 ToguRo wrote:
is it going to effect SC2 streams?
Yes because the streaming sites will all be shut down the second someone posts an infringing video on them.
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On December 17 2011 05:17 xrapture wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 05:07 MCMXVI wrote:On December 17 2011 04:53 xrapture wrote:
Everyone wants everything for free and doesn't care about the people who produced the content they are infringing upon. Grow up guys, you all knew this was coming. You really think it's fair for an artists' content to be posted all over the place without his consent? Playing or posting copyrighted music is the equivalent of posting a thread that consists of A Dance with Dragon's entire text. You strike me as a guy who swallows the 'if you have nothing hide...' argument whole. Patriot Act is in place to catch terrorists, and will never, ever be abused....... Government says they need to take all your liberties away to keep you safe, but you'll agree to it because of course, you have nothing to hide! SOPA is a tool made to abuse, masked behind a novel idea of stopping piracy. This is nothing new, and if history has thought us anything, it is that governments (or rather, the power elite) will do whatever it takes to stay in power. Recently, a Swiss court decision denied the RIAA and MPAA(?) to change the copyright law in Sweden, err.. Switzerland and added (after a study conducted) that online pirates buy as much music and/or movies than people who do not pirate stuff. What liberties have we earned? Last time I checked we're all here because our fathers screwed our mothers, we didn't do anything to earn the right to be here or to be granted complete liberty. You're really against the Patriot Act? You really think the government cares if some dude is emailing tranny hookers on craigslist to meet behind a 7/11 for a quickie? No, they instilled it to stop blatant acts of terrorism. Giving up a little of your "liberty" isn't worth preventing another 9/11? It amazes me how millions of people are able to live their lives dictated by a religion, yet when someone has to walk through airport security they think they are being violated.
You don't "earn" rights, they are inalienable (or should be). The second we ascribe to the thinking that rights must be earned is the second taking them away becomes easier.
And no giving up my liberty to stop another 9/11 isn't what's at stake here. Remember, we had the info needed to stop 9/11 without the Patriot Act, it just wasn't acted upon. All the act does is open up the door to innumerable abuses in the name of security.
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On December 17 2011 05:44 gosuMalicE wrote:Yes because the streaming sites will all be shut down the second someone posts an infringing video on them.
I remember reading that this wasn't the case, not sure why though. Regardless it's okay just memorize the IP address and then the DNS removal won't matter!
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On December 17 2011 05:17 xrapture wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 05:07 MCMXVI wrote:On December 17 2011 04:53 xrapture wrote:
Everyone wants everything for free and doesn't care about the people who produced the content they are infringing upon. Grow up guys, you all knew this was coming. You really think it's fair for an artists' content to be posted all over the place without his consent? Playing or posting copyrighted music is the equivalent of posting a thread that consists of A Dance with Dragon's entire text. You strike me as a guy who swallows the 'if you have nothing hide...' argument whole. Patriot Act is in place to catch terrorists, and will never, ever be abused....... Government says they need to take all your liberties away to keep you safe, but you'll agree to it because of course, you have nothing to hide! SOPA is a tool made to abuse, masked behind a novel idea of stopping piracy. This is nothing new, and if history has thought us anything, it is that governments (or rather, the power elite) will do whatever it takes to stay in power. Recently, a Swiss court decision denied the RIAA and MPAA(?) to change the copyright law in Sweden, err.. Switzerland and added (after a study conducted) that online pirates buy as much music and/or movies than people who do not pirate stuff. What liberties have we earned? Last time I checked we're all here because our fathers screwed our mothers, we didn't do anything to earn the right to be here or to be granted complete liberty. You're really against the Patriot Act? You really think the government cares if some dude is emailing tranny hookers on craigslist to meet behind a 7/11 for a quickie? No, they instilled it to stop blatant acts of terrorism. Giving up a little of your "liberty" isn't worth preventing another 9/11? It amazes me how millions of people are able to live their lives dictated by a religion, yet when someone has to walk through airport security they think they are being violated.
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." --Benjamin Franklin
I agree with his statement completely and feel that this is an act of fear-mongering for the sake of increasing the government's power. Corporations and the highest echelons of government are trying to censor the way we communicate. Piracy is not "stealing". It's not theft of goods, services or intellectual property. I've yet to see a true study that even hints that a copied piece of intellectual property is money out of the pocket of its owner/creator. A pirated copy of a movie, for example, is simply not a lost sale.
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On December 17 2011 05:48 Shaetan wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 05:44 gosuMalicE wrote:On December 17 2011 05:43 ToguRo wrote:
is it going to effect SC2 streams? Yes because the streaming sites will all be shut down the second someone posts an infringing video on them. I remember reading that this wasn't the case, not sure why though. Regardless it's okay just memorize the IP address and then the DNS removal won't matter!
It is the case. And memorizing IP addresses won't help. If Twitch.TV loses 99% of their viewing audience because only 1% memorized the IP address, then that 1% is about to lose Twitch.TV, too, because it can no longer stay profitable.
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On December 17 2011 05:17 xrapture wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 05:07 MCMXVI wrote:On December 17 2011 04:53 xrapture wrote:
Everyone wants everything for free and doesn't care about the people who produced the content they are infringing upon. Grow up guys, you all knew this was coming. You really think it's fair for an artists' content to be posted all over the place without his consent? Playing or posting copyrighted music is the equivalent of posting a thread that consists of A Dance with Dragon's entire text. You strike me as a guy who swallows the 'if you have nothing hide...' argument whole. Patriot Act is in place to catch terrorists, and will never, ever be abused....... Government says they need to take all your liberties away to keep you safe, but you'll agree to it because of course, you have nothing to hide! SOPA is a tool made to abuse, masked behind a novel idea of stopping piracy. This is nothing new, and if history has thought us anything, it is that governments (or rather, the power elite) will do whatever it takes to stay in power. Recently, a Swiss court decision denied the RIAA and MPAA(?) to change the copyright law in Sweden, err.. Switzerland and added (after a study conducted) that online pirates buy as much music and/or movies than people who do not pirate stuff. What liberties have we earned? Last time I checked we're all here because our fathers screwed our mothers, we didn't do anything to earn the right to be here or to be granted complete liberty. You're really against the Patriot Act? You really think the government cares if some dude is emailing tranny hookers on craigslist to meet behind a 7/11 for a quickie? No, they instilled it to stop blatant acts of terrorism. Giving up a little of your "liberty" isn't worth preventing another 9/11? It amazes me how millions of people are able to live their lives dictated by a religion, yet when someone has to walk through airport security they think they are being violated.
Someone obviously has never heard of people like Kant or Locke, which only shows how ignorant you are about the subject of natural law and such.
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On December 17 2011 05:43 gosuMalicE wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 05:17 xrapture wrote:On December 17 2011 05:07 MCMXVI wrote:On December 17 2011 04:53 xrapture wrote:
Everyone wants everything for free and doesn't care about the people who produced the content they are infringing upon. Grow up guys, you all knew this was coming. You really think it's fair for an artists' content to be posted all over the place without his consent? Playing or posting copyrighted music is the equivalent of posting a thread that consists of A Dance with Dragon's entire text. You strike me as a guy who swallows the 'if you have nothing hide...' argument whole. Patriot Act is in place to catch terrorists, and will never, ever be abused....... Government says they need to take all your liberties away to keep you safe, but you'll agree to it because of course, you have nothing to hide! SOPA is a tool made to abuse, masked behind a novel idea of stopping piracy. This is nothing new, and if history has thought us anything, it is that governments (or rather, the power elite) will do whatever it takes to stay in power. Recently, a Swiss court decision denied the RIAA and MPAA(?) to change the copyright law in Sweden, err.. Switzerland and added (after a study conducted) that online pirates buy as much music and/or movies than people who do not pirate stuff. What liberties have we earned? Last time I checked we're all here because our fathers screwed our mothers, we didn't do anything to earn the right to be here or to be granted complete liberty. You're really against the Patriot Act? You really think the government cares if some dude is emailing tranny hookers on craigslist to meet behind a 7/11 for a quickie? No, they instilled it to stop blatant acts of terrorism. Giving up a little of your "liberty" isn't worth preventing another 9/11? It amazes me how millions of people are able to live their lives dictated by a religion, yet when someone has to walk through airport security they think they are being violated. But were does it stop? What is tomorrow somebody preformed an act of terrorism in a school with an explosive device hidden in their rectum. And as a response congress mandates that everyone entering a school has to be cavity searched. Is that alright? I mean by your logic if someone did it then everyone else could so it is necessarily to "protect" us. Or what if a study found that 90% of terrorist acts are planed in the bedroom, is it cool if we just throw a camera and microphone into everyone's bedroom, Sure it will be a bit creepy when you are having sex but hey its for protection right? I really hate people like you, why don't you go live in a padded room, that way you will never get hurt. I think B. Franklin said it best "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
I hardly think stealing copy written material and hosting it on a torrent/youtube is an essential liberty. Stop trying to over dramatize everything
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Just so everyone knows voting on this bill has been suspended until 2012, we have a bit more time to get the word out now.
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On December 17 2011 06:05 vatix wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 05:43 gosuMalicE wrote:On December 17 2011 05:17 xrapture wrote:On December 17 2011 05:07 MCMXVI wrote:On December 17 2011 04:53 xrapture wrote:
Everyone wants everything for free and doesn't care about the people who produced the content they are infringing upon. Grow up guys, you all knew this was coming. You really think it's fair for an artists' content to be posted all over the place without his consent? Playing or posting copyrighted music is the equivalent of posting a thread that consists of A Dance with Dragon's entire text. You strike me as a guy who swallows the 'if you have nothing hide...' argument whole. Patriot Act is in place to catch terrorists, and will never, ever be abused....... Government says they need to take all your liberties away to keep you safe, but you'll agree to it because of course, you have nothing to hide! SOPA is a tool made to abuse, masked behind a novel idea of stopping piracy. This is nothing new, and if history has thought us anything, it is that governments (or rather, the power elite) will do whatever it takes to stay in power. Recently, a Swiss court decision denied the RIAA and MPAA(?) to change the copyright law in Sweden, err.. Switzerland and added (after a study conducted) that online pirates buy as much music and/or movies than people who do not pirate stuff. What liberties have we earned? Last time I checked we're all here because our fathers screwed our mothers, we didn't do anything to earn the right to be here or to be granted complete liberty. You're really against the Patriot Act? You really think the government cares if some dude is emailing tranny hookers on craigslist to meet behind a 7/11 for a quickie? No, they instilled it to stop blatant acts of terrorism. Giving up a little of your "liberty" isn't worth preventing another 9/11? It amazes me how millions of people are able to live their lives dictated by a religion, yet when someone has to walk through airport security they think they are being violated. But were does it stop? What is tomorrow somebody preformed an act of terrorism in a school with an explosive device hidden in their rectum. And as a response congress mandates that everyone entering a school has to be cavity searched. Is that alright? I mean by your logic if someone did it then everyone else could so it is necessarily to "protect" us. Or what if a study found that 90% of terrorist acts are planed in the bedroom, is it cool if we just throw a camera and microphone into everyone's bedroom, Sure it will be a bit creepy when you are having sex but hey its for protection right? I really hate people like you, why don't you go live in a padded room, that way you will never get hurt. I think B. Franklin said it best "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." I hardly think stealing copy written material and hosting it on a torrent/youtube is an essential liberty. Stop trying to over dramatize everything
That was in response to a guy arguing Patriot Act wasn't so bad.
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On December 17 2011 05:17 xrapture wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 05:07 MCMXVI wrote:On December 17 2011 04:53 xrapture wrote:
Everyone wants everything for free and doesn't care about the people who produced the content they are infringing upon. Grow up guys, you all knew this was coming. You really think it's fair for an artists' content to be posted all over the place without his consent? Playing or posting copyrighted music is the equivalent of posting a thread that consists of A Dance with Dragon's entire text. You strike me as a guy who swallows the 'if you have nothing hide...' argument whole. Patriot Act is in place to catch terrorists, and will never, ever be abused....... Government says they need to take all your liberties away to keep you safe, but you'll agree to it because of course, you have nothing to hide! SOPA is a tool made to abuse, masked behind a novel idea of stopping piracy. This is nothing new, and if history has thought us anything, it is that governments (or rather, the power elite) will do whatever it takes to stay in power. Recently, a Swiss court decision denied the RIAA and MPAA(?) to change the copyright law in Sweden, err.. Switzerland and added (after a study conducted) that online pirates buy as much music and/or movies than people who do not pirate stuff. What liberties have we earned? Last time I checked we're all here because our fathers screwed our mothers, we didn't do anything to earn the right to be here or to be granted complete liberty. You're really against the Patriot Act? You really think the government cares if some dude is emailing tranny hookers on craigslist to meet behind a 7/11 for a quickie? No, they instilled it to stop blatant acts of terrorism. Giving up a little of your "liberty" isn't worth preventing another 9/11? It amazes me how millions of people are able to live their lives dictated by a religion, yet when someone has to walk through airport security they think they are being violated.
Someone slept through history class.
On July 4 1776 Congress wrote:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.
Also, you do realize that the government has used the Patriot Act to do things completely unrelated to terrorism right? And I'm not spouting conspiracy theories. It is completely legal and acceptable under the Patriot Act for any government agency to conduct any seizure of any information and violation of privacy for pretty much almost any reason because the Act itself says "on suspicion of terrorism" which is incredibly broad and vague and requires no hard evidence.
Also, while I do agree that piracy and violation of intellectual property is kinda wrong, keep in mind that legislation, especially recent legislation, is almost never so narrow as to actually do what it intends to do. It almost always has spillover and does shit it's not intended to do. The way SOPA is worded now, any internet service provider can terminate internet service if you even have the same IP as a website that violated SOPA and a SOPA violation can include any use of intellectual property, such as posting a picture/video/music on a forum.
I understand that this is the internet, but at least attempt to educate yourself before trying to engage in a debate.
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Have you read the bill? This gives the government power which reaches far beyond stopping traffic from torrent sharing sites or P2P networking. It gives them right to force ISPs to "shut off" entire swaths of the internet for their clients.. among other things.
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On December 17 2011 06:05 vatix wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 05:43 gosuMalicE wrote:On December 17 2011 05:17 xrapture wrote:On December 17 2011 05:07 MCMXVI wrote:On December 17 2011 04:53 xrapture wrote:
Everyone wants everything for free and doesn't care about the people who produced the content they are infringing upon. Grow up guys, you all knew this was coming. You really think it's fair for an artists' content to be posted all over the place without his consent? Playing or posting copyrighted music is the equivalent of posting a thread that consists of A Dance with Dragon's entire text. You strike me as a guy who swallows the 'if you have nothing hide...' argument whole. Patriot Act is in place to catch terrorists, and will never, ever be abused....... Government says they need to take all your liberties away to keep you safe, but you'll agree to it because of course, you have nothing to hide! SOPA is a tool made to abuse, masked behind a novel idea of stopping piracy. This is nothing new, and if history has thought us anything, it is that governments (or rather, the power elite) will do whatever it takes to stay in power. Recently, a Swiss court decision denied the RIAA and MPAA(?) to change the copyright law in Sweden, err.. Switzerland and added (after a study conducted) that online pirates buy as much music and/or movies than people who do not pirate stuff. What liberties have we earned? Last time I checked we're all here because our fathers screwed our mothers, we didn't do anything to earn the right to be here or to be granted complete liberty. You're really against the Patriot Act? You really think the government cares if some dude is emailing tranny hookers on craigslist to meet behind a 7/11 for a quickie? No, they instilled it to stop blatant acts of terrorism. Giving up a little of your "liberty" isn't worth preventing another 9/11? It amazes me how millions of people are able to live their lives dictated by a religion, yet when someone has to walk through airport security they think they are being violated. But were does it stop? What is tomorrow somebody preformed an act of terrorism in a school with an explosive device hidden in their rectum. And as a response congress mandates that everyone entering a school has to be cavity searched. Is that alright? I mean by your logic if someone did it then everyone else could so it is necessarily to "protect" us. Or what if a study found that 90% of terrorist acts are planed in the bedroom, is it cool if we just throw a camera and microphone into everyone's bedroom, Sure it will be a bit creepy when you are having sex but hey its for protection right? I really hate people like you, why don't you go live in a padded room, that way you will never get hurt. I think B. Franklin said it best "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." I hardly think stealing copy written material and hosting it on a torrent/youtube is an essential liberty. Stop trying to over dramatize everything
When did I say that? I was arguing against this Idiots blind support of the PATRIOT ACT. Reading comprehension fail. And even if you took a second to read my other posts I'm saying that we definitely need to go after piracy (which is not even close to stealing btw), but that SOPA is not the right way to do it as it allows corporations way to much freedom over what to censor without legal oversight, and the fact that it doesn't truly get rid anything (only blocks DNS). Understand a topic before you make a stupid trolling comment about it.
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On December 17 2011 05:17 xrapture wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 05:07 MCMXVI wrote:On December 17 2011 04:53 xrapture wrote:
Everyone wants everything for free and doesn't care about the people who produced the content they are infringing upon. Grow up guys, you all knew this was coming. You really think it's fair for an artists' content to be posted all over the place without his consent? Playing or posting copyrighted music is the equivalent of posting a thread that consists of A Dance with Dragon's entire text. You strike me as a guy who swallows the 'if you have nothing hide...' argument whole. Patriot Act is in place to catch terrorists, and will never, ever be abused....... Government says they need to take all your liberties away to keep you safe, but you'll agree to it because of course, you have nothing to hide! SOPA is a tool made to abuse, masked behind a novel idea of stopping piracy. This is nothing new, and if history has thought us anything, it is that governments (or rather, the power elite) will do whatever it takes to stay in power. Recently, a Swiss court decision denied the RIAA and MPAA(?) to change the copyright law in Sweden, err.. Switzerland and added (after a study conducted) that online pirates buy as much music and/or movies than people who do not pirate stuff. What liberties have we earned? Last time I checked we're all here because our fathers screwed our mothers, we didn't do anything to earn the right to be here or to be granted complete liberty. You're really against the Patriot Act? You really think the government cares if some dude is emailing tranny hookers on craigslist to meet behind a 7/11 for a quickie? No, they instilled it to stop blatant acts of terrorism. Giving up a little of your "liberty" isn't worth preventing another 9/11? It amazes me how millions of people are able to live their lives dictated by a religion, yet when someone has to walk through airport security they think they are being violated.
"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Usually attributed to Benjamin Franklin, but I remember when I did research on it someone else was the author of this quote.
I feel sorry for you if you believe you must earn liberty, even as a relativist I must agree that it is the only universal truth. Man must be free to do whatever it is he wants, so long as he doesn't infringe on the freedom of others.
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so glad they didnt pass this out of committee today.
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