EPTyea, theyre working to create something that will go to the house floor for a general vote
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driftme
United States360 Posts
yea, theyre working to create something that will go to the house floor for a general vote | ||
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Ben...
Canada3485 Posts
I just talked to my dad about this. He's a super conservative who works for one of the big auto industries from the US and even he thinks it is insanely abusive and dumb and has no idea how it will go through. I asked him what he thought about their ideas of going after foreign sites and he doesn't even see how it will work. They can't really sue outside of their jurisdiction, can they? | ||
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Black Gun
Germany4482 Posts
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Ben...
Canada3485 Posts
On December 17 2011 01:25 Black Gun wrote: I haven't watched it but not really, there has been a couple bad ones but all the logical amendments get shot down by the people who never speak, and just blind vote what the chairman does.have there been any good amendments gone through today or yesterday? sry, didnt follow this thread in its entirety... | ||
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austinholan
United States22 Posts
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MCMXVI
Norway1193 Posts
On December 17 2011 01:30 austinholan wrote: Wasn't the vote yesterday? Does anyone know the result, I cant seem to find anything on it. Its ongoing as we speak. They are having a break. Live stream here: http://keepthewebopen.com/sopa (top left, you might have to press play in the flash player window) | ||
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Ben...
Canada3485 Posts
On December 17 2011 01:30 austinholan wrote: Nope, it's just in a committee right now that is making changes to it before it goes to vote. It's gonna be a while with how slow things are going. There won't be a vote for at least a little while, depending how long it takes for them to finish with it.Wasn't the vote yesterday? Does anyone know the result, I cant seem to find anything on it. | ||
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austinholan
United States22 Posts
Nope, it's just in a committee right now that is making changes to it before it goes to vote. It's gonna be a while with how slow things are going. There won't be a vote for at least a little while, depending how long it takes for them to finish with it. But isn't there a vote to get it out of committee and to the house floor? | ||
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eluv
United States1251 Posts
On December 17 2011 01:30 Ben... wrote: I haven't watched it but not really, there has been a couple bad ones but all the logical amendments get shot down by the people who never speak, and just blind vote what the chairman does. The only amendment that the sane people got through was one specifying that a report will be issued by the state department within 2 years of passing the bill, on the use of DNS blocking technology worldwide. You can see all the amendments and whether they passed or not at: http://judiciary.house.gov/hearings/mark_12152011.html The idea behind the amendment is that the State Department tells us "Well gee foreign governments are using DNS blocking to censor free speech and prevent knowledge from reaching their citizens" and so we reconsider our stance on the whole thing. The guys in favor of the bill understood that, but they're so confident that the report would be positive that they let it through. | ||
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
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Zanzabar Haberdasher
United States510 Posts
However, if passed, it will set the bar of censorship among "free" or "democratic" nations. | ||
Myles
United States5162 Posts
On December 17 2011 02:43 turdburgler wrote: ive only been loosely following the conversation about this but does the US intend to try and be "in charge of the world" on this one or is it something that (for now) only affects americans? It will only affect people in the US. From what I understand, the ISP's and other internet facilitating companies will block direct access to the websites that are reported to be violating copyright. There are numerous work-arounds though that anyone with half a brain could use to get access anyways. | ||
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neptunesak
Canada113 Posts
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Lonyo
United Kingdom3884 Posts
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Honeybadger
United States821 Posts
On December 17 2011 02:43 turdburgler wrote: ive only been loosely following the conversation about this but does the US intend to try and be "in charge of the world" on this one or is it something that (for now) only affects americans? Both. It prevents Americans from accessing the website through DOMAIN NAME alone (IP access still works, herpty derp derparoo) while breaking the DNS security of the entire internet to do so. It also goes after any website that posts a link to infringing material in its entirety (a new amendment that makes facebook and youtube, twitter and everything else that has users who can post links) and attempts to shut it down by forcing US-based companies to stop all american based revenue from getting to that website, via advertisements and (perhaps) via purchase orders. So basically, it will break the entire goddamn internet in the name of the RIAA and MPAA. | ||
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Zalithian
520 Posts
Do not understand. | ||
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Honeybadger
United States821 Posts
It also means that the pirate bay can easily circumvent the bill. | ||
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xrapture
United States1644 Posts
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MCMXVI
Norway1193 Posts
On December 17 2011 04:53 xrapture wrote: Everyone wants everything for free and doesn't care about the people who produced the content they are infringing upon. Grow up guys, you all knew this was coming. You really think it's fair for an artists' content to be posted all over the place without his consent? Playing or posting copyrighted music is the equivalent of posting a thread that consists of A Dance with Dragon's entire text. You strike me as a guy who swallows the 'if you have nothing hide...' argument whole. Patriot Act is in place to catch terrorists, and will never, ever be abused....... Government says they need to take all your liberties away to keep you safe, but you'll agree to it because of course, you have nothing to hide! SOPA is a tool made to abuse, masked behind a novel idea of stopping piracy. This is nothing new, and if history has thought us anything, it is that governments (or rather, the power elite) will do whatever it takes to stay in power. Recently, a Swiss court decision denied the RIAA and MPAA(?) to change the copyright law in Sweden, err.. Switzerland and added (after a study conducted) that online pirates buy as much music and/or movies than people who do not pirate stuff. | ||
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