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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
June 08 2005 13:32 GMT
#161
On June 08 2005 22:05 ihatett wrote:
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On June 08 2005 21:36 ihatett wrote:
ihatett is another poster that I find particularly annoying to have around

+1


I should probably expand on that.

I assume that you don't like me is because of politics. Is this correct?


i don't like you for how dumb you looked in the tratoss thread
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baal
Profile Joined March 2003
10708 Posts
June 08 2005 13:36 GMT
#162
On June 08 2005 22:04 Liquid`Drone wrote:
1 : bloodbath was very close to being banned in the past. I didn't bother though and thought "next time". also, when he first started posting his posts DID have value, because there were threads dedicated to bloodbath, and apparently that's something he knows.

2 : it's not what you post. it's how you post. moltke is among my favourite posters. I adore him. however, I also disagree with him very often. but when it comes to general posting quality, I can't think of anyone I like more than him.

3 : if I were going to be an elitist and ban more often, amusingly enough, some of the people who have complained about how lax we are would be gone.

4 : there's one problem ; I try to avoid banning people in disagreement with me. this because I absolutely do not want a reputation as someone who bans FOR disagreeing with me. and this is a problem in one way, because I generally only notice stupidity when the stupidity is in disagreement with myself. for this reason, the people I recognize as idiots avoid getting banned because well, they're disagreeing with me and people should not be afraid of showing their disagreement towards me just because I'm a moderator. they shouldn't be afraid to flame me either, if I deserve it.


You know you want my nick to be red
Im back, in pog form!
DV8
Profile Joined December 2002
United States1623 Posts
June 08 2005 13:40 GMT
#163
On June 08 2005 14:55 SickofLife wrote:
Normally I wouldn't make this thread, and it's probably going to get closed, but what do you people think about the quality of the new posters that have been coming here?

One that comes to mind is BloodBath, who's a fucking twatt, and a spammer. I can't figure out why the dumbass is still here.

I'm fucking sick of seeing all these idiots running around the forum, and not being banned. The reason this forum was so good is because dumb people who did nothing but post inane comments were banned within a week, unless they were really funny. Now, all that comes here are fucking pre-pubescent 12 year olds, who want to spam the forums with stupid comments. MvP[eV], and all those [eV] guys, along with BloodBath and a few others. They all SUCK. Why are the mods allowing them to stay here?

So, any comments before this is closed?

My thoughts EXACTLY, welcome to broodwar.com 2.0
Chibi[OWNS]
Profile Joined May 2003
United Kingdom10597 Posts
June 08 2005 14:03 GMT
#164
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OhNoKickedAgain
Profile Joined April 2005
Czech Republic232 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-06-08 14:06:03
June 08 2005 14:05 GMT
#165
there are some bad posters like *cough* mana *cough* blue *cough* (yeah got some reasons)

but back to problem : It is really bad that low-poster can't have his opinion on same level like high-poster. I mean when some lowposter (like me(but know im here from start 2004)) say something a bit wrong he is banished and flamed forever because his opinions arent in "flow". If this words would type highposter all the ppl will read it and tell : "hmmm isnt he right?"

About BANs: what is that stupid idea to ban without warning and ban forever not temporally. I was banned 2x without any reason.Just tried to write comment and woah where i can type? . I PMed admins to just ask why i was banned but guess what... no new PMs, nor any warning before
#1 bio.dante fan [bio.dante was kicked without any purpose so WTF?]
Orlandu
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
China2450 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-06-08 14:15:22
June 08 2005 14:13 GMT
#166
A lot of the controversy about a new poster's opinion vs an old poster's opinion occurs because the old posters know how to express themselves and convey their opinions in a much more civil and clear way. While this isn't true in all cases, many "new posters" will often just write horribly. This can be in some cases due to a lack of understanding of the English language, but in many cases it's just laziness or something similar. It gets very frustrating and annoying to carry on a conversation, let alone a debate, with a person that cannot convey their opinions and ideas well. Throw in the sometimes added ingredient of arrogance, and things can get old quite fast.
We cant give up just because things arent the way we want them to be.
FrEaK[S.sIR]
Profile Joined October 2002
2373 Posts
June 08 2005 14:42 GMT
#167
On June 08 2005 20:06 SickofLife wrote:
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On June 08 2005 19:37 FrEaK[S.sIR] wrote:
SickOfLife is indeed right.

He may think I'm an immature, arrogant, condescending fuck flap, but I don't think he'd get rid of me. Alot of people on this forum see me this way. A lot see me another way.

Fact is that its not being an immature, arrogant, condescending fuck flap that will get you banned. Its make retarded pointless posts in every fucking topic and derailing the entire forum with your stupidity.

Or something like that.


You're right. You come off as a real dick online, but I don't care, because you make quality posts. I would never ban you, unless you REALLY pissed me off, and that'd only be a temp thing, because you're a good poster.



<3
Smurg
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Canada3819 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-06-08 15:50:13
June 08 2005 14:43 GMT
#168
On June 08 2005 23:42 FrEaK[S.sIR] wrote:
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On June 08 2005 20:06 SickofLife wrote:
On June 08 2005 19:37 FrEaK[S.sIR] wrote:
SickOfLife is indeed right.

He may think I'm an immature, arrogant, condescending fuck flap, but I don't think he'd get rid of me. Alot of people on this forum see me this way. A lot see me another way.

Fact is that its not being an immature, arrogant, condescending fuck flap that will get you banned. Its make retarded pointless posts in every fucking topic and derailing the entire forum with your stupidity.

Or something like that.


You're right. You come off as a real dick online, but I don't care, because you make quality posts. I would never ban you, unless you REALLY pissed me off, and that'd only be a temp thing, because you're a good poster.



<3


He also knows a lot about hair, that has to count for something right?

www.teamhairliquid.net

I'm not sure of the quality of my posts...usually it's just humour...slander and a combination of both. On occasion I am more serious with my posts...I mean I analysed Lindsay Lohan using proper English...incredible.

I also taught Koreans' the language they now use in their homeland. I need something else to do, I mean the topics around here a little bland recently.

Right now we have TL.net. Shall I compare thee to a summer's day? Yeah, you started off well, but you ended up dull and shit. Maybe a bit more regulation...maybe we need more stimulus or something...a new section of TL.net that pretty much owns everyone.

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mnm
Profile Blog Joined August 2003
United States4493 Posts
June 08 2005 14:56 GMT
#169
this is a great way to keep all the flamage to one thread.. i mean not closing this thread. heh
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iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
June 08 2005 15:24 GMT
#170
I think in terms of all the bw forums i frequent (wgt/gg.gamers[the worst]tl.net/legacy) this is by far the best. Their is a small influx of horrible posters, but true to tl.net's history their posting lives are short. Besides, you guys still got me, thats more than any forum can ask for.

Klogon
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
MURICA15980 Posts
June 08 2005 15:29 GMT
#171
On June 08 2005 23:13 Orlandu wrote:
A lot of the controversy about a new poster's opinion vs an old poster's opinion occurs because the old posters know how to express themselves and convey their opinions in a much more civil and clear way. While this isn't true in all cases, many "new posters" will often just write horribly. This can be in some cases due to a lack of understanding of the English language, but in many cases it's just laziness or something similar. It gets very frustrating and annoying to carry on a conversation, let alone a debate, with a person that cannot convey their opinions and ideas well. Throw in the sometimes added ingredient of arrogance, and things can get old quite fast.

Exactly... and although I admit I probably don't ban enough (too nice maybe? also don't read as much as I used to), I just can't see myself banning somebody just because they can't write effectively. But it does indeed fustrate me sometimes and seems to bring down the quality of the board... but so many people would be banned if we banned for not being able to write -_-
BroOd
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Austin10833 Posts
June 08 2005 15:30 GMT
#172
I just stared at that kittyloaf for almost 2 minutes.
ModeratorSIRL and JLIG.
Resonate
Profile Joined October 2002
United Kingdom8402 Posts
June 08 2005 15:33 GMT
#173
I think ppl should be banned commenting in the strategy forum unless they have 1000+ posts or have been given special permission.
Memory lane in nice
x2fst
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
1272 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-06-08 16:05:01
June 08 2005 15:53 GMT
#174
meh its not the super-new posters that suck its the quantity>quality posters that piss me off,
for example ihatett (and ahk-gosu wehn he was "in his prime")

there is too much ego floating around in this forum

I actually think that the 'general discussion' forum has gotten better with the addition of some of the new guys (camoot, moltkewarding, labcoated etc(kinda undecided on him..intelligent person..or pretencious faggot?) anyway the point is theres more serious discussion as well as that person who posts interesting news (forgot who it was, but i know they arent new)
Whats REALLY taken a beating is the strategy forum...woah so much fucking shit advice as well as the useless threads, grot youre not being harsh enough you need to close a thread once it gets filled with more than 50% wrong advice. This section sucks now because the idiots who know nothing outnumber people willing to post correct advice 10:1, also too many pople giving advice for every matchup they see, unless youre a random gosu you dont know the details of EVERY matchup...whatever thats my opinion on the issue


ps: i dont consider myself a veteran OR a new poster

On June 09 2005 00:33 Resonate wrote:
I think ppl should be banned commenting in the strategy forum unless they have 1000+ posts or have been given special permission.


i honesty wouldn't be opposed to this, but there would definately have to be exceptions (i.e breakdown and midian obviously).

This would be a good idea cos 90% of the dumbass, shit-advice-posters have less than 1000 posts so it would weed out alot of the crap, even if it denied guys like me (im sure the strategy forum would be fine without my contribution;))

this wouldnt be unfair to newbs cos you can do a search and almost always find soemthing relevent to any serious question (i.e. not "How can i MACRO!?!?!!?-_-;
or make it so newbs need permission from a mod to make a thread (but this would probably waste too much of mods time) but whatever, none of this stuff will get doen anyway
muda, is a crime for me to wear a shirt, cos I is so good lookin
labcoated
Profile Joined May 2005
Canada392 Posts
June 08 2005 15:59 GMT
#175
On June 08 2005 22:04 Liquid`Drone wrote:
4 : there's one problem ; I try to avoid banning people in disagreement with me. this because I absolutely do not want a reputation as someone who bans FOR disagreeing with me. and this is a problem in one way, because I generally only notice stupidity when the stupidity is in disagreement with myself. for this reason, the people I recognize as idiots avoid getting banned because well, they're disagreeing with me and people should not be afraid of showing their disagreement towards me just because I'm a moderator. they shouldn't be afraid to flame me either, if I deserve it.


that is very beautiful. why do other admin so different from you? i was going to say more but i don't know how to say it without risking a ban. us tlnetters are very scared to even talk about certain things, to have an opinion.
camooT
Profile Joined October 2004
United States1354 Posts
June 08 2005 16:03 GMT
#176
ok, you guys are all ganging up on ihatett, and while he doesn't contribute much to gen discussion, he is more active on the BW forum, where he often posts new maps he's made, or responds to the work of others. good example of how most members find a way to contribute, one way or another. if people like rebanned were allowed to go on for thousands of posts with nothing but piece of shit one liners, why is there so much animosity towards a fairly decent poster?

drone/klogon: you don't have to make it a permaban. i said this earlier, but i think a week-long temp ban would help keep people in line and to make valuable posters out of what would otherwise be another name on the banned list. i've seen this done on other forums, and it's always worked out great, and if you look at chibi's posts (he was tempbanned), it worked for him too .
Chibi[OWNS]
Profile Joined May 2003
United Kingdom10597 Posts
June 08 2005 16:15 GMT
#177
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iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
June 08 2005 16:19 GMT
#178
On June 09 2005 00:33 Resonate wrote:
I think ppl should be banned commenting in the strategy forum unless they have 1000+ posts or have been given special permission.


Posts have nothing to do with knowledge that can contribute to the strategy forum. I dont have 1000 posts yet ive been playing for 7 years and the majority of which with the best foreigners o-O i have shit to share regarding strategy!
Jim
Profile Joined November 2003
Sweden1965 Posts
June 08 2005 16:25 GMT
#179
On June 08 2005 20:52 MPXMX wrote:
My take: lack of care for starcraft, which once was something that bound us all, is leading to the degeneration of this forum.

The forum still is good and will continue to be, for an indefinite amount of time. Maybe some new, good, known broodwar players should step up (or be allowed to step up) to work here, to bring more content, to give the site more authority in subject matter, to take initiative for improvement. Or maybe this site should shift focus or divide focus between starcraft and... probably poker. Without interesting features, that give the moderators/admins incentive to keep shit afloat, without some kind of glue that unifies the forumers ... shit's bound to fall apart.

I feel the same way. The reason tl.net was a quality site(it still is imo but maybe not as much) was because of hovz, rekrul, smuft(tltour) etc.. We need more great starcraft players or maybe people like Kasper. People with something interesting to say with a proven background. Not worthless people like me who pretty much only can contribute with opinion.
To sup with the mighty ones, one must climb the path of daggers.
BloodBath
Profile Joined May 2005
United States409 Posts
June 08 2005 17:22 GMT
#180
T_T
I somehow just noticed this thread 9 pages deep and a day later. Just finished reading through all of it (which I can't believe I did). Allow me to defend myself. I'll start of by replying in blue.


But posting 30-40 straight posts with the obvious intent of pissing everyone off is reason to be banned.


I wasn't trying to piss anyone off, I just happen to have 1000s of screenshots and even though the original topic starter said only 3 SS per person I have so many i couldn't just choose 3. The reason why I made a shit load of posts instead of 1 long ass post was because when the page loads with 1 long ass post (especially images) its annoying to me to see the page expanding so fast and i cant click on things or see the pics in order because they load differently. A lot of times some of the pics dont even load and you have to go back and refresh and it takes even longer to load up.

On June 08 2005 17:35 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
I ban more people than anyone else actually, but I can't do it on my own now that Rekrul is slacking

BloodBath got a warning few days ago, I haven't seen him post since but he has to be very careful when he does I guarantee you


I saw your PM and I will not post anything useless anymore .

On June 08 2005 16:28 LegendaryDreams wrote:
BloodBath is mean. He stretched the screen to a thread and it hurt my virgin eyes.


I spammed a shitty thread. The topic was terrible so I thought i would let the starter know in a somewhat humurous way.

sickoflife-
If you have actually read all of my posts, then I applaud you. I'd wager that about 75% of my posts are not total garbage, and are completely relevant to the topic. Just as this post here is relevant to the topic I started.


On June 08 2005 19:37 rpf289 wrote:
Making a thread about how much new posters suck is like saying "I'm on here so much I notice how much people suck and so naturally I feel the need to make a thread about it because I'm so insecure about my posting quality and I'm gonna put them down so that I'm the coolest again."

wtf dude

I wouldn't even make a thread like this, and my posts suck. Seriously... you're just as bad.


Exactly. My opinion about this topic is just you whining, If you don't like seeing it then don't look.

intothewow
[/QUOTE]


So everyone can post? including Bloodbath? no thanks.[/QUOTE]

What kind of post is this? I see no quality in this. All he is doing is saying I suck and not ellaborating on it. oh but he has 1000+ posts hes better than me

On June 08 2005 14:59 camooT wrote:
bloodbath really gets on my nerves, but please don't bash the eV guys. i used to be in it ;O.


What did I do to get on your nerves? Why not explain what I do that is annoying? Why not PM about it when you see it?

On June 08 2005 15:40 SickofLife wrote:
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On June 08 2005 15:21 StarN wrote:
This is kind of biased toward the new posters such as myself. I've been around for only about a year but haven't started posting as much since about a couple months ago. But specifically pointing out new posters as 'idiots' doesn't change the fact that there are also older people who post a lot of crap as well.
Because old and new there are good and bad posters.


Agreed.

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You're taking the post the wrong way. MOST of the new posters that come here, not all. If you've been around for a year, you know how the forum works. If you've read the forum for that long, you know we don't like morons here, so you keep the stupid shit down. Everyone makes dumb posts sometimes, but these people are ridiculous.


I've actually been reading this forum for a long time and didn't start posting untill I saw shit loads of bad advice (strategy forum) and easy to answer question threads came up where I try and help out.

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On June 08 2005 15:19 8882 wrote:

Im not a forum veteran, but I think, that the time is more important - for example Bloodbath wrote 360posts in around 1month, mostly thanks to multiple posting (http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=28220 etc)

however, when compared to that [ev] guy, he is a genius


Thanks? Yea, I guess I did spam alot, sorry. At least I try and use correct grammar ,spelling, and sentence structure.

somuchbetter-
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I don't see that much of a problem with BloodBath. I did see his 20 post spree in the screenshot thread, but honestly, who cares? It's not as if his 20 screenshots would have been any shorter if in one post. Sure, some of his posts are annoying, but nothing compared to the four posters i listed previously. Those guys do however, contribute to the discussion, however retardedly they do it. I guess that's the difference between them and BloodBath


So what are you saying? There is no problem with me but some of my posts are annoying? I usually only make lame posts in lame threads and I try and make quality posts in quality threads or when I see someone being midirected (strategy forum).

eternalbliss-
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Why don't you stop crying about the quality of new posters, because this thread is a waste of time. Just because they annoy you doesn't mean ban them. I agree some need to be, but seriously cry a fuckig river, go make some contributive posts elsewhere.


Agreed.

liquid drone-
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1 : bloodbath was very close to being banned in the past. I didn't bother though and thought "next time". also, when he first started posting his posts DID have value, because there were threads dedicated to bloodbath, and apparently that's something he knows.


Thank you.

chibi-
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Basically, people are annoyed by short dumb posts. They might be jests, they might be opinions, or just giving credit to something 'lol cool!'. The reason these posts exist in the first place is because people are comfortable with the forum and confident to express themselves casually without fear of retribution. And this is a good thing.


Yes, I thought thats how it should be but here at TL.net its not true.

QUOTE]On June 09 2005 01:19 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
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On June 09 2005 00:33 Resonate wrote:
I think ppl should be banned commenting in the strategy forum unless they have 1000+ posts or have been given special permission.


Posts have nothing to do with knowledge that can contribute to the strategy forum. I dont have 1000 posts yet ive been playing for 7 years and the majority of which with the best foreigners o-O i have shit to share regarding strategy!


Agreed.

x2fst-

Whats REALLY taken a beating is the strategy forum...woah so much fucking shit advice as well as the useless threads, grot youre not being harsh enough you need to close a thread once it gets filled with more than 50% wrong advice. This section sucks now because the idiots who know nothing outnumber people willing to post correct advice 10:1, also too many pople giving advice for every matchup they see, unless youre a random gosu you dont know the details of EVERY matchup...whatever thats my opinion on the issue


A lot of my posts come from the strategy forum. I see a lot of garbage advice and the thread isn't closed or redirected to an old topic with the same questions I can't stand to let them listen to it.

I come to teamliquid to read funny or interesting stuff, catch some news, hear about progaming, and other cultures, and help people with their problems about starcraft and computers. What do you come to teamliquid for?
This is just an internet forum and it doesn't need to be perfect the way SICKOFLIFE deems it to be. By the way, your name suits you well why don't you go kill yourself instead of making inane topics flaming people with less posts than you? I don't mean to attack you but you hit me first. I can't believe I wasted this much time writing and reading all this. Peace out.
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