EPTDo you adblock TeamLiquid? - Page 26
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Toadily
United States837 Posts
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Doso
Germany769 Posts
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common_cider
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Fyodor
Canada971 Posts
On November 04 2011 04:27 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: I've never understood why anyone would adblock a site they like enough to visit regularly. Seeing so many people come here as a regular visitors all the while blocking ads, justifying by whatever reasoning makes them feel better about it, is upsetting to read. We removed the "Don't hurt Esports" thing. It was a complete joke that we thought would be funny. We didn't realize that people would take it serious. I apologize if you took offense. Nazgul, you're acting like you're the lord of the moral domain while we're wicked people incapable of any judgment but ones which satisfy our egoist sensitivties. I'm not taking offense here though, just saying that your statement can be interpreted in this way. I would like to think that there are a lot of very intelligent, cultured and educated people reading and contributing here. But I have to say that I have ad-block on to save bandwidth, memory, etc. Makes the internet less bloated, it's in my interest to leave it on. To add an exception in ad-block for your website, in my case, far exceeds the potential utility for you. Might take me 15 minutes to learn how and properly apply the filter. The money I would be generating for you is (hyperbolic) 7,000,000 times less than the market value of my time. I'm figuring 0.0001% chance of me generating 2 cents by clicking an ad by accident. I would also add that you're using an advertising model because you're forced to, not as a courtesy. Competing message boards would eat TL alive if it decided to charge for participation/membership. I've built a few mildly successful websites in my time and total traffic maybe approaching one million. I don't expect anyone coming in my hobby websites to care about the infinitesimal moral economics because the reality of message boards is that they can be replaced by someone who will let them run for free. In the end no one should care about the moral economy here. It's infinitesimal fractions of cents and they don't even matter if they're brought together. What I'm ok with is spending the hundred dollars on the GomTV vods this year. Now you're talking about a scale that actually matters, paying market value for a product with significant costs. | ||
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Rimstalker
Germany734 Posts
On November 04 2011 09:16 Linwelin wrote: They don't share that kind of data as far as I know well, some of their ads are being sold on online advertising exchanges (real time bidding for single ad impressions), and the price there is a little low compared to other 'quality' sites. The numbers I'm looking at right now, are stats for all of October, 29k impressions were 19 dollars to buy, not sure however, how much TL gets from that. edit: on topic: No adblock, no noscript, I have only one entry in my hosts file, and that is my german email provider that had nasty pop up windows every time you clicked on the text field in their login screen to enter your email address. | ||
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chobopeon
United States7342 Posts
in any case, no i dont adblock anywhere. it's 0 annoyance on sites and a 30 second obstacle on streams. not too tough and it goes a long way. | ||
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superjoppe
Sweden3686 Posts
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chocolatebunny
301 Posts
yeah i live under a rock and am completely ignorant about how the internet works >.< but i wouldn't even if i know how. | ||
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
On November 04 2011 02:38 Sarang wrote: I've got adblock disabled for this site, but I still see the crying elephant. =( Makes me feel awful. Same here... I disabled adblock but the elephant is still crying  | ||
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Herculix
United States946 Posts
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deepfield1
United States373 Posts
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Node
United States2159 Posts
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arChieSC2
Spain162 Posts
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mmp
United States2130 Posts
But no web site, even one as wonderful as TL, owns your computer or your browser, and you can render the page any way you like. Some people browse the web in a text-only terminal, are they hurting e-sports? It is silly for TL to plead in this manner rather than adjusting their revenue model to keep up with tech-savvy users. Why not just put up a paypal donation link and see who really supports the site? | ||
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NTTemplar
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EDIT: except now that this thread made me aware of them... | ||
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peekn
United States1152 Posts
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Pacman234
United States88 Posts
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imr.e
112 Posts
On November 04 2011 09:38 mmp wrote: If TL is asking for collusion with its users to tolerate ads for revenue, that's one thing. It amounts to asking for a handout. But no web site, even one as wonderful as TL, owns your computer or your browser, and you can render the page any way you like. Some people browse the web in a text-only terminal, are they hurting e-sports? It is silly for TL to plead in this manner rather than adjusting their revenue model to keep up with tech-savvy users. Why not just put up a paypal donation link and see who really supports the site? This is the real problem. I think that advertising is awful for some reasons, and I'm used to site where there are no ads and people just support it with donations. I know it's not possible for something mainstream but TL doesn't even give us the opportunity. And I don't want a bullshit VIP pass or privilege, just a way to support TL (with the banner, not going to happen cause I had to ban that too) without promoting a business model I reject. | ||
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BigLighthouse
United Kingdom424 Posts
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mmp
United States2130 Posts
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