EPTUnauthorized CD-key detail sellers to Steam? - Page 2
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tso
United States132 Posts
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Marcus420
Canada1923 Posts
That site looks completely bullshit. You/he earned your suspension. The site prob gets keys through phishing or something. I doubt the site actually sells legitimate keys. On October 15 2011 04:21 Soleron wrote: Take it to court. The ToS would probably be ruled unreasonable and hence not a legally binding contract. This happens all the time with this kind of thing. No they can't deprive you of things you actually bought. Good luck with that... rofl | ||
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Roeder
Denmark735 Posts
Then again, if you rent games in the Steam store - isn't it a wrong message to say "Buy game" on their site - plus calling it a store and not a service? | ||
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clusen
Germany8702 Posts
On October 15 2011 04:21 Snackysnacks wrote: If i own a account on some MMO and bought gold or ingame-currency off a 3rd party source, Why should my entire account get locked instead of the currency removed? Well, you won't complain about Blizzard banning a hacker instead of just removing the wins he got with hacking, will you? | ||
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TheBomb
237 Posts
On October 15 2011 03:57 Roeder wrote: A friend of mine has had Steam account suspended/banned for buying CD-keys from an unauthorized source (Steam wrote), and has the last couple of days been unable to log onto Steam whatsoever. The source for CD-keys was this site http://www.gamekeysbuy.com/ First, is it common knowledge to know that 3rd party sellers was illegal? It surely surprised me in a bad way, that he got his account suspended. What I fear is, that my account is worth ~$1000 and I've bought a few games from similar sites. Second, if this is illegal - is Steam allowed to completely lock down an account, which still contains 100% 'legally' bought games bought from the Steam store? Basically, as it seems right now, they're allowed to legally take away any game you've legally bought through Steam just because of one game being bought from a doubtful source? Opinions, experiences and solutions - please share. Its not illegal site, because it sells used CD keys. Its like buying a used game in a way. Second of all its their policy to close down accounts for supposed illegal activity, but if your friend has purchased games valuing towards $1000 through steam he can file a lawsuit against Steam and demand damages. | ||
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Roeder
Denmark735 Posts
On October 15 2011 04:25 Marcus420 wrote: I doubt the site actually sells legitimate keys. Yet you would be able to force them to take action, or sue them for selling stolen goods? Basically, ToS' broken, actions taken, shit sucks - but is it right or wrong? I'm thinking your opinions here, not only what the ToS says. Or Steam. I completely agree actions should be taken, and it probably did sound too good to be true, but let alone removing the game (without any refunds obviously) would be punishment enough - at least as a warning. Taking all games without any warnings except ToS which only 10% reads. | ||
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RoosterSamurai
Japan2108 Posts
On October 15 2011 04:21 Soleron wrote: Take it to court. The ToS would probably be ruled unreasonable and hence not a legally binding contract. This happens all the time with this kind of thing. No they can't deprive you of things you actually bought. If it's unreasonable then why did he agree to it? I hope you never try to become a lawyer. You scare me. | ||
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Marcus420
Canada1923 Posts
On October 15 2011 04:30 Roeder wrote: Yet you would be able to force them to take action, or sue them for selling stolen goods? Basically, ToS' broken, actions taken, shit sucks - but is it right or wrong? I'm thinking your opinions here, not only what the ToS says. Or Steam. I completely agree actions should be taken, and it probably did sound too good to be true, but let alone removing the game (without any refunds obviously) would be punishment enough - at least as a warning. Taking all games without any warnings except ToS which only 10% reads. I would suggest talking to steam support before anything. tbh ( you dont seem to have contacted them about it) | ||
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
On October 15 2011 04:30 Roeder wrote: Yet you would be able to force them to take action, or sue them for selling stolen goods? Basically, ToS' broken, actions taken, shit sucks - but is it right or wrong? I'm thinking your opinions here, not only what the ToS says. Or Steam. I completely agree actions should be taken, and it probably did sound too good to be true, but let alone removing the game (without any refunds obviously) would be punishment enough - at least as a warning. Taking all games without any warnings except ToS which only 10% reads. Contact Steam support and try to work stuff out. Suing will probably be not worth it. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
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clusen
Germany8702 Posts
On October 15 2011 04:29 TheBomb wrote: Its not illegal site, because it sells used CD keys. Its like buying a used game in a way. Second of all its their policy to close down accounts for supposed illegal activity, but if your friend has purchased games valuing towards $1000 through steam he can file a lawsuit against Steam and demand damages. How can you sell used keys for Steam? Usually those sites buy games and other software(like windows) in countries where it's cheap and just sell those keys, as already mentioned. | ||
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Roeder
Denmark735 Posts
On October 15 2011 04:32 Marcus420 wrote: I would suggest talking to steam support before anything. tbh ( you dont seem to have contacted them about it) No, I haven't, I'm not the one in the situation - my friend is, but I'm trying to create some perspective in this. Both for him and myself. But I got 2 CD keys bought somewhere else than from Steam. The rest ~75ish games are legally bought. As I said before, luckily for my friend - he has 4 games on his account. It's not THAT big of a damage. | ||
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Zocat
Germany2229 Posts
On October 15 2011 04:31 RoosterSamurai wrote: If it's unreasonable then why did he agree to it? I hope you never try to become a lawyer. You scare me. Again - ToS mean shit in a lot of countries if they break the law. That's why they have the passus "If any provision of this Agreement shall be unlawful, void, or for any reason unenforceable, then that provision shall be deemed severable from this Agreement and shall not affect the validity and enforceability of any remaining provisions." (WoW ToS) Another thing is (Germany only afaik^^) that the EULA/TOS are invalid, because people only learn about it (and see it) _after_ their purchase, which is illegal here. | ||
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Flamingo777
United States1190 Posts
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Roeder
Denmark735 Posts
On October 15 2011 04:43 Flamingo777 wrote: This is a time where it would probably be beneficial to read the terms of the contract for once. =] Correct, but whether you read it or not, I still don't find it fair to take it to such actions. At least not as a first warning. Which wasn't even a warning. | ||
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Terranigma
Germany11 Posts
Another thing is (Germany only afaik^^) that the EULA/TOS are invalid, because people only learn about it (and see it) _after_ their purchase, which is illegal here. Do you have a source for that? Also, I'm not sure that'd count with Steam since you don't "buy" Steam. You install it free of charge, accept the TOS and are then free to decide whether you wanna buy the actual games. | ||
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Aelip
Denmark321 Posts
On October 15 2011 04:34 Djzapz wrote: That is very disgusting of Steam. I wouldn't have known either. Hardly steams fault that you don't read the ToS. But yes, it is very shady, but so is the site from which the keys have been bought. Imo i think steam should implement a 3 strike rule. You know, issue warnings before the bans cause apparently people don't always read the ToS, and no matter what they'll earn more money on having customers. | ||
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Treemonkeys
United States2082 Posts
On October 15 2011 04:48 Terranigma wrote: Do you have a source for that? Also, I'm not sure that'd count with Steam since you don't "buy" Steam. You install it free of charge, accept the TOS and are then free to decide whether you wanna buy the actual games. Actually there are several retail games that force you to use steam, so you can be stuck with a paid for product before reading or agreeing to anything. Which brings the bigger issue that it is actually okay to buy 3rd party with steam, such as Walmart, Target, etc. are 3rd parties. Seems like steam is expecting their users to know which ones are legal. | ||
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RoosterSamurai
Japan2108 Posts
On October 15 2011 04:50 Treemonkeys wrote: Actually there are several retail games that force you to use steam, so you can be stuck with a paid for product before reading or agreeing to anything. You can always return it. | ||
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Carnagath
230 Posts
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