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On October 15 2011 04:31 RoosterSamurai wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 04:21 Soleron wrote:
Take it to court. The ToS would probably be ruled unreasonable and hence not a legally binding contract. This happens all the time with this kind of thing.
No they can't deprive you of things you actually bought.
If it's unreasonable then why did he agree to it? I hope you never try to become a lawyer. You scare me.
You don't know much about the law do you?
(not saying I do, but I know enough to say that your comment there is wrong)
There are a whole bunch of laws relating to unreasonable terms in standard form contracts, and YES you can get compensation for terms within them if they are proved to be unreasonable.
Whether or not they are 'unreasonable' in this context is still unknown though.
Edit: dunno if this applies in US, seems lots of people seem to be stating US laws are kinda dodgy lol
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...don't call that illegal or legal.
illegal is when you can prosecuted, not sued for something. it is legal to buy from whatever 3rd party you want, but it can be against contracts.
you go to prison or pay a fine if it's illegal...
buying a proper item properly is usually not illegal...
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Most likely it is perma lock.
Sadly, purchasing things off Steam is as everyone else said, illiegal.
The thing about it is, that Steam has paid X amount for the rights to the game to be hosted on their servers, it isn't just something they are given free of charge. If I looked I can find D2D And Key Sites (Like Steam. Remember Direct 2 Drive?) Which is a virtually owned copy. All you have is a game key, and the permission to virtually download it. Same works for steam. Your pretty much, paying for an alphanumeric combination lock.
Why not just buy the game itself if it is available off steam. You, still get the same game lobbies.
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Ive been in a similar situation.
I bought Civ 3 for 5 euro and paypal did a charge back becous something went wrong with my bank and paypal.
So Steam decided to ban my account.
I oped up a contact form and begged for my account back.
Same thing the account i have contains allot of games together worth about 1500 $ or more.
Well got things sorted out my if i bought the game again.
SINCE THAT DAY I HOLD A TEXT FILE WITH ALL MY GAME KEYS FROM STEAM ON MY COMPUTER. suggest you do the same.
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On October 16 2011 14:37 Kybuar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 05:03 Nyovne wrote:
I just wrote my master thesis on this EULA/ToU crap. Long story short, in the EU this wouldn't fly, in the US it will.
The ignorance on software user licensing even in a gaming community is painful. Time to wite a series of blogs about it when I have time.
edit: I'm absolutely amazed what kind of stuff passes as 'ok' with US judges and the Supreme Court in the department of boiler plate agreement terms and consumer protection especially. Big business owns your country. I would really love to get a copy of that. I like long dry reads. (atleast that is what a thesis on EULA and ToU would seem like to me.)
I'd love to read it too! In my country, we adhere slavishly to American law and jurisprudence. It would be nice to have a change. There was also that thesis by that Lawbringer fellow at the worldofwarcraft site. Pretty cool. Link meh!!!
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On October 15 2011 03:57 Roeder wrote:A friend of mine has had Steam account suspended/banned for buying CD-keys from an unauthorized source (Steam wrote), and has the last couple of days been unable to log onto Steam whatsoever. The source for CD-keys was this site http://www.gamekeysbuy.com/First, is it common knowledge to know that 3rd party sellers was illegal? It surely surprised me in a bad way, that he got his account suspended. What I fear is, that my account is worth ~$1000 and I've bought a few games from similar sites. Second, if this is illegal - is Steam allowed to completely lock down an account, which still contains 100% 'legally' bought games bought from the Steam store? Basically, as it seems right now, they're allowed to legally take away any game you've legally bought through Steam just because of one game being bought from a doubtful source? Opinions, experiences and solutions - please share.
If you were int he UK id say contact support in writing, if they dont reactivate your account then take them to small claims court.
The end of the day you were conned so to lose all your other purchases that are not related to the one you were conned on is totally unreasonable.
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It isn't unreasonable.
It's in the EULA.
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I remember trying to play a game that relied on steam several years ago. I'm pretty sure it was counter-strike.
I got so irritated and pissed off at the whole stupid system that I gave up and never touched a game associated with steam again. They will never get a penny from me no matter how good a game might be.
I'm honestly shocked there are people who have bought 80+ or over $1000 worth of games from them.
On October 17 2011 03:27 NekoFlandre wrote:
It isn't unreasonable.
It's in the EULA.
http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/382785/im-gonna-clickdecline
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I feel like the bigger problem is that people aren't educated enough to realize websites called "cheapkeys.com", "gamekeystore.com", "buygameshere.com", etc. with ridiculous discounts and overall shady structure are probably not legitimate. Surely, the 80% discounts HAVE to be legitimate when there are no connections whatsoever to the actual producers of the game?
It's perfectly legal for Steam to ban your account because you agreed to forfeit control of the games you own the moment you signed up with them. It sucks, but be more careful next time. It's the same with all games with micro-transactions; you don't have any entitlement to the "goods" you purchase.
It's the same reason why Paypal can get away with pretty much whatever they want. You don't actually own anything, you're just using a service and hoping it doesn't shoot you in the foot.
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On October 17 2011 03:42 jdseemoreglass wrote:I remember trying to play a game that relied on steam several years ago. I'm pretty sure it was counter-strike. I got so irritated and pissed off at the whole stupid system that I gave up and never touched a game associated with steam again. They will never get a penny from me no matter how good a game might be. I'm honestly shocked there are people who have bought 80+ or over $1000 worth of games from them. Show nested quote +On October 17 2011 03:27 NekoFlandre wrote:
It isn't unreasonable.
It's in the EULA. http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/382785/im-gonna-clickdecline
Well you have to question a 3rd party selling keys outside of steam for steam while under cutting steam. If that kind of transaction doesn't seem fishy to you, you probably need to think before you do things. EULA or not.
On October 16 2011 01:35 Craton wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 04:11 nalgene wrote:
You should only have one game per steam account ( this would save you things, but it'd be slightly more annoying to use )
no one to shylock or _ _ _ you anyways lol I think 80 accounts would be a bit much to manage.
all the same password account1, account2, account3, account4, and make a print out of what game is on what number XD it's not a bit much it's just an inconvenience to have to do something when you know you shouldn't have to
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On October 17 2011 12:58 semantics wrote:
all the same password account1, account2, account3, account4, and make a print out of what game is on what number XD it's not a bit much it's just an inconvenience to have to do something when you know you shouldn't have to
And Valve will suddenly see a 8000% increase in accounts.
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On October 17 2011 16:05 Flyingdutchman wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2011 12:58 semantics wrote:
all the same password account1, account2, account3, account4, and make a print out of what game is on what number XD it's not a bit much it's just an inconvenience to have to do something when you know you shouldn't have to And Valve will suddenly see a 8000% increase in accounts.
If you are going to do this you may want to use Excel and alphabetize by game name.
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