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I predict that Herman cain will lose the nomination but barely, his obvious financial
savvy that he has shown with his running and more or less flipping a couple major organizations, is important and will be hyped on, however his comment on Islam has drawn quite a bit of criticism that will surely be constantly mentioned and thought througout the rest of his campaign. I don't know alot about his stance on social issues, but if it is similiar to Bachman it will be GG sir. For him to be a viable candidate in the general election he would have to portray himself as a fiscal conservative, and social liberal. Or else he will not be able to garner up a majority.
In other words Fiscal Conservative thought and Social Liberal thoughts FTW.
side note, this whole delio about this thread becoming about Islam vs Christianity vs democracy is straight up idiotic, shut up and talk about the real topic for this thread which is herman cain
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1. I thought poll results didnt mean shit when it comes to getting nominated or elected.
2. Isn't this the guy that thinks being gay is a choice ?
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On October 15 2011 01:00 Obstikal wrote:
1. I thought poll results didnt mean shit when it comes to getting nominated or elected.
2. Isn't this the guy that thinks being gay is a choice ?
"I believe homosexuality is a sin because I'm a Bible-believing Christian. But I know that some people make that choice. That's their choice...I believe this is a choice." -- so he's a religious whacko. Great guy to have as most powerful person in the world.
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On October 15 2011 02:02 Grumbels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 01:00 Obstikal wrote:
1. I thought poll results didnt mean shit when it comes to getting nominated or elected.
2. Isn't this the guy that thinks being gay is a choice ? "I believe homosexuality is a sin because I'm a Bible-believing Christian. But I know that some people make that choice. That's their choice...I believe this is a choice." -- so he's a religious whacko. Great guy to have as most powerful person in the world.
George Bush had the same ideas, it didn't stop him getting elected two times, don't underestimate the power of religious fanatics.
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ok so the main problem with Obama everyone said was his lack of experience to run the country. Far as I know Herman Cain has no political experience what so ever and his claim to fame was being the CEO of GodFather's Pizza here in America. You really think the pizza man will get the vote from the RNC to be their candidate over Perry and Romney, two men who push their conservative agenda way further than Cain and actually have political experience? that's shitting in the wind.
and to say Ron Paul is unelectable is ignorant, that man want's to do more for the country than any of the other people trying to run, and he actually HAS plans. He doesn't just spout what other want to hear and flip flop his view points 24/7.
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On October 15 2011 07:37 jax1492 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 02:02 Grumbels wrote:On October 15 2011 01:00 Obstikal wrote:
1. I thought poll results didnt mean shit when it comes to getting nominated or elected.
2. Isn't this the guy that thinks being gay is a choice ? "I believe homosexuality is a sin because I'm a Bible-believing Christian. But I know that some people make that choice. That's their choice...I believe this is a choice." -- so he's a religious whacko. Great guy to have as most powerful person in the world. George Bush had the same ideas, it didn't stop him getting elected two times, don't underestimate the power of religious fanatics.
I thought or hoped rather that we as a nation moved on from being that narrow minded. It was 8years ago since he was last elected and I thought we moved on from that mindset or at least a majority of people.
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I don't care who gets the nomination, I'm writing in Ron Paul.
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On October 15 2011 07:41 eits wrote:
and to say Ron Paul is unelectable is ignorant, that man want's to do more for the country than any of the other people trying to run, and he actually HAS plans. He doesn't just spout what other want to hear and flip flop his view points 24/7.
To say Ron Paul is not electable is to say you were awake in 2008. Granted, he has a massive amount of internet support, but that has historically translated very poorly to actual voters coming out for him in the primaries.
As far as Cain, he's the flavor of the month that won't even last as long as Bachmann and Perry's boons have.
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hes definitively the most charismatic of the noms but do we really want another smooth talker and barely any political experience to be president? its sad to hear you guys complain about peoples personal religious beliefs, when that reaaaaally shouldnt matter when it comes to actually running the government.
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On October 15 2011 02:02 Grumbels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 01:00 Obstikal wrote:
1. I thought poll results didnt mean shit when it comes to getting nominated or elected.
2. Isn't this the guy that thinks being gay is a choice ? "I believe homosexuality is a sin because I'm a Bible-believing Christian. But I know that some people make that choice. That's their choice...I believe this is a choice." -- so he's a religious whacko. Great guy to have as most powerful person in the world.
Does this even matter? This is pure identity politics. The argent religious will favor it and the cosmopolitan will dislike it, but it's hardly the criteria to eliminate candidates by. In the grand scheme of things, it doesn't matter.
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On October 15 2011 02:02 Grumbels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 01:00 Obstikal wrote:
1. I thought poll results didnt mean shit when it comes to getting nominated or elected.
2. Isn't this the guy that thinks being gay is a choice ? "I believe homosexuality is a sin because I'm a Bible-believing Christian. But I know that some people make that choice. That's their choice...I believe this is a choice." -- so he's a religious whacko. Great guy to have as most powerful person in the world.
Obviously, "they have the choice" is a "whacko" statement.
There are many actual religious "whackos" who say god kills US soldiers because of gays in America. Why don't you focus more on hating them, and less on hating someone who doesn't support homosexuality, but isn't exactly trying to cull them from the country.
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On October 15 2011 08:17 TanGeng wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 02:02 Grumbels wrote:On October 15 2011 01:00 Obstikal wrote:
1. I thought poll results didnt mean shit when it comes to getting nominated or elected.
2. Isn't this the guy that thinks being gay is a choice ? "I believe homosexuality is a sin because I'm a Bible-believing Christian. But I know that some people make that choice. That's their choice...I believe this is a choice." -- so he's a religious whacko. Great guy to have as most powerful person in the world. Does this even matter? This is pure identity politics. The argent religious will favor it and the cosmopolitan will dislike it, but it's hardly the criteria to eliminate candidates by. In the grand scheme of things, it doesn't matter.
Although I do agree with you, I can't see myself voting for someone who has these types of beliefs. I mean if this person had some solid idea's and I truly felt he could make the change we need his personal beliefs wouldn't matter much. Unless they started to impact his decisions which would then make it a reason not to vote for that person.
With all that said I honestly don't think Cain will do that well. I don't see what he has going for him, but maybe i'm being ignorant.
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On October 15 2011 08:17 TanGeng wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 02:02 Grumbels wrote:On October 15 2011 01:00 Obstikal wrote:
1. I thought poll results didnt mean shit when it comes to getting nominated or elected.
2. Isn't this the guy that thinks being gay is a choice ? "I believe homosexuality is a sin because I'm a Bible-believing Christian. But I know that some people make that choice. That's their choice...I believe this is a choice." -- so he's a religious whacko. Great guy to have as most powerful person in the world. Does this even matter? This is pure identity politics. The argent religious will favor it and the cosmopolitan will dislike it, but it's hardly the criteria to eliminate candidates by. In the grand scheme of things, it doesn't matter.
Of course it matters. Would someone who believes homosexuality is a choice and a sin, and explicitly says so, repeal DADT? It's the gradual overturning of retarded rules like that that will bring tolerance.
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Oh god, i just read up on this guy and watched some interwievs with him...
Disgusting. Thats probably the best word, DISGUSTING. How can anyone capable of rational thinking even consider this person fit to run a country. Ever since 2006 when the conservative political parties came to power in Sweden its gone downhill but comparing our current government to what could happen in USA almost makes me appreciate them.
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On October 15 2011 09:23 Snusdosa wrote:
Oh god, i just read up on this guy and watched some interwievs with him...
Disgusting. Thats probably the best word, DISGUSTING. How can anyone capable of rational thinking even consider this person fit to run a country. Ever since 2006 when the conservative political parties came to power in Sweden its gone downhill but comparing our current government to what could happen in USA almost makes me appreciate them.
If our conservatives were to run in the US they would be called socialists and would have a hard time even being accepted into the democratic party.
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Luckily this buffoon killed his chances of becoming a contender for the vice presidency or a high position in government the second he said "nation wide sales tax".
Bet the staffers had a good time coming up with "the devil's in the details" and "$9.99" for their candidates.
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Does anyone really think a white guy with Herman Cain's credentials would even be in the running right now?
He's the new Sarah Palin, except he has a horrible tax plan. He wants to "broaden the base" by making people who scrape by as it is every week without paying income tax pay a 9% national sales tax for commodities and impose a 9% income tax on them as well?
The money that would raise is a drop in the bucket, and the impact on the working poor in this country would be devastating.
Here's an idea, instead of talking about how he's going to tax us, why doesn't he live up to his political platform and tell us where he's going to cut spending instead. Maybe he can get some advice from his senior economic adviser (some guy with a bachelors in economics) who drew up his ridiculous pizza price tax plan.
Herman Cain is just a big joke put forth by the republicans to answer the whole "we accept having a black president" thing.
His constant playing of the race card is such obvious pandering to republican base (of which the vast majority is white), because when he says "race is not an issue holding anyone back anymore" or that black people don't like him because he's successful, he can get away with it, and racist republicans agree. A white politician saying the things he does would be political suicide. And for him it's acceptable? As per usual, nice double-standard republicans, too bad we see right through it.
sickening. what a joke. get this guy off the stage.
sorry for all the editing, I got a little angry writing this and forwent using proper grammar. 
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On October 15 2011 09:52 hipsterHobbit wrote:
Does anyone really think a white guy with Herman Cain's credentials would even be in the running right now?
He's the new Sarah Palin, except he has a horrible tax plan. He wants to "broaden the base" by making people who scrape by as it is every week without paying taxes pay 9% national sales tax for commodities on top of state sales tax? And give them a 9% income tax too?
Yeah. The largest problem in the US today is apparently that the rich aren't rich enough and that the poor aren't poor enough.
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Seems like almost everyone disagrees with the OP
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