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On September 28 2011 20:05 KwarK wrote:
As long as you can do it for every religion (atheism included) then sure, whatever works for them. If you can only do it for Christianity then it's giving Christians preferential penal treatment which is obviously unfair.
This is alabama dude they have no other types of religious facilities there. Pretty much every small southern town is like this. More churches than people. May as well use that extra space.
I fucking despise the church too but damn son.
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Hell I'd rather go to jail than church. As you may have guessed I'm an atheist and think this is just plain dumb.
Religion shouldn't play a role in things like these in a modern society. Community service is so much better option.
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On September 28 2011 20:59 Vaelone wrote:
Hell I'd rather go to jail than church. As you may have guessed I'm an atheist and think this is just plain dumb.
Religion shouldn't play a role in things like these in a modern society. Community service is so much better option.
I do agree with everyone who is saying there are better options. I think a combination of community service / counseling is good.
BUT, I do ardently believe that jail time / large fines for minor crimes encourage more activity, because the lives of people on the margin are already hard and fucking them in this way will just make them resent society and want revenge.
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On September 28 2011 20:05 KwarK wrote:
As long as you can do it for every religion (atheism included) then sure, whatever works for them. If you can only do it for Christianity then it's giving Christians preferential penal treatment which is obviously unfair.
Would an atheist be required to spend time in a library, for a church service on science?
Honestly a grey area if he gets to pick his church. Your alternative is standard probation, you additionally get the option of attending church. Hmm. Leaning towards the State endorsement of a religion side, however.
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I would definitely choose jail.
They should show an alternative. Put the convicts into university, and if they can't keep a grade average of higher than 95% they would be jailed, GL with that LawLz. Then of course I would smash in a few windows and give it a shot. Free university, woot!
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Since there's no evidence at all that religious people are less likely to be criminals than non religious people I really don't understand what the intention is. It seems to me to be an ill thought out policy on the surface, less people in prison that don't need to be is fine though.
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What's wrong with community service? It's basically a get out of jail for free pass as all you have to do is attend church and pretend you are listening.
Not to mention seperation of state and religion...
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On September 28 2011 20:10 nam nam wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 20:05 KwarK wrote:
As long as you can do it for every religion (atheism included) then sure, whatever works for them. If you can only do it for Christianity then it's giving Christians preferential penal treatment which is obviously unfair. How would it work for atheists? Go to... uhm a class in science? Forced reading of Richard Dawkins. 
Though I agree with Kwark, if for a christian church then it should be available for all major beliefs. Since it's such a small town though they could have other options as other posters pointed out, like community service for non christians.
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I'd rather do community service.
Doing community service you get out there and clean stuff up or fix things or whatever.
Church you just sit around hoping all the above problems will go away...
Seriously though: Community service, serve the community you have wronged.
Then again this is the south... "why should we translate the bible? English was good enough for jesus!" etc...
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Religion seems to again obstuct reason, why do people give the bible credit for moral code?
This is literally a get out of jail free card for Christian minor offenders and it disgusts me.
On September 28 2011 21:34 Iyerbeth wrote:
Since there's no evidence at all that religious people are less likely to be criminals than non religious people I really don't understand what the intention is. It seems to me to be an ill thought out policy on the surface, less people in prison that don't need to be is fine though.
I wouldn't be suprised if religious people are more likely to commit criminal offenses when compared to Atheists or other non-believers.
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I have no problem with this. Hell, as an atheist myself I'd choose going to church instead of jail.
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On September 28 2011 21:47 Crankenstein wrote:
I'd rather do community service.
Doing community service you get out there and clean stuff up or fix things or whatever.
Church you just sit around hoping all the above problems will go away...
Seriously though: Community service, serve the community you have wronged.
Then again this is the south... "why should we translate the bible? English was good enough for jesus!" etc... Certain crimes already require community service, but what do you think the community is based around in small towns like that? No matter what, the church will be involved. Being unwilling to make a compromise and pretending that the church doesn't exist or benefit the community is just as intolerant and problematic as things like celibacy policies from the Catholic Church in Africa.
Given how bad the jail system is and how little it does to prevent repeat offenders, I think this is a genuinely good idea. Intermediary institutions like this are exactly the type of assistance that many communities and cities need, because the public infrastructure is too distant, too rigid or too weak to handle things properly.
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This seems to imply that going to church is a punishment 
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On September 28 2011 22:00 Bill Murray wrote:This seems to imply that going to church is a punishment
I couldn't quite figure why i thought this was so funny but u found it :D
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So a person that already do attend church have what incentive to not commit a crime?
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On September 28 2011 20:05 KwarK wrote:
As long as you can do it for every religion (atheism included) then sure, whatever works for them. If you can only do it for Christianity then it's giving Christians preferential penal treatment which is obviously unfair.
Atheism isn't a religion....
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On September 28 2011 20:10 nam nam wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 20:05 KwarK wrote:
As long as you can do it for every religion (atheism included) then sure, whatever works for them. If you can only do it for Christianity then it's giving Christians preferential penal treatment which is obviously unfair. How would it work for atheists? Go to... uhm a class in science?
Don't think you get a choice about it. I think this is a good idea for all the teenage delinquents because they aren't put in a bad environment prematurely.
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I would love to go to church than any American prison.
America's prisons are hell on earth.
Also, its nice that someone who smoked a little bit of weed or something and got busted by some asshole cop isn't stuck in the same place as violent rapists or murderers.
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On September 28 2011 22:12 cydial wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 20:05 KwarK wrote:
As long as you can do it for every religion (atheism included) then sure, whatever works for them. If you can only do it for Christianity then it's giving Christians preferential penal treatment which is obviously unfair. Atheism isn't a religion....
Yeah it is. I believe its core theology is acting like a dick to everyone who self identifies as a religious person. Here take this pamphlet.
Seriously though I'm not a religious person but I can see the merit in this if the person was seriously practicing the tenets of their faith. I mean believing you'll have to do penance in hell/purgatory for your life of crime is probably pretty good motivation to stop. My problem with this system is it seems pretty easy to abuse. But w/e there's no past history of people abusing religious power amirite? Oh wait...
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I think this is an amazing idea. And that's despite me being an atheist. For people talking about community service, this is for crimes "above" that. Thinks that serve a bigger punishment. And in all honesty i don't think a whole lot of people would like going to the church every weekend for a year, plus checking in on the police station.
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