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On September 11 2011 04:07 VoirDire wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2011 03:50 SkelA wrote:On September 11 2011 03:39 kwizach wrote:On September 11 2011 02:26 Geo.Rion wrote:On September 11 2011 00:55 kwizach wrote:
I don't get why so many people are mentioning Dr. Manhattan as the strongest superhero. He would get smoked by a ton of superheroes from both Marvel and DC. how exactly? he's like indistructable and can do anything. Ofc, Flash and Hulk are totally OP and broken but without the possibility to go in outter space, i ll remain with Dr. Manhatten. Dr. Manhattan is nowhere near omnipotent. The Silver Surfer alone would wreck him. How do you wreck Dr. Manhattan when he is immortal and most powerful being in the universe. The worst that he can do is a draw. I still cant beleive Goku is winning the poll  They aren't a part of the same universe. Manhattan is part of the DC/Vertigo universe and the Silver surfer is part of the marvel universe. I'd say that the silver surfer is more powerful as Dr. Manhattans is bound to the physical universe and the laws of relativity (The silver surfer can accelerate to faster than light speed). Dr. Manhattan could possibly disintegrate the silver surfer with a touch, but the silver surfer could absorb Dr. Manhattan indefinitely. It's all about who gets the first shot  There are of course vastly more powerful beings than those two.
VoirDire, your list is very incomplete - there are many more characters and levels than those you listed. I would advise you to take a look at the rankings ComicVine compiled for both Marvel and DC, they are quite well done (although one can always argue about the specifics).
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On September 11 2011 04:20 kwizach wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2011 04:07 VoirDire wrote:On September 11 2011 03:50 SkelA wrote:On September 11 2011 03:39 kwizach wrote:On September 11 2011 02:26 Geo.Rion wrote:On September 11 2011 00:55 kwizach wrote:
I don't get why so many people are mentioning Dr. Manhattan as the strongest superhero. He would get smoked by a ton of superheroes from both Marvel and DC. how exactly? he's like indistructable and can do anything. Ofc, Flash and Hulk are totally OP and broken but without the possibility to go in outter space, i ll remain with Dr. Manhatten. Dr. Manhattan is nowhere near omnipotent. The Silver Surfer alone would wreck him. How do you wreck Dr. Manhattan when he is immortal and most powerful being in the universe. The worst that he can do is a draw. I still cant beleive Goku is winning the poll They aren't a part of the same universe. Manhattan is part of the DC/Vertigo universe and the Silver surfer is part of the marvel universe. I'd say that the silver surfer is more powerful as Dr. Manhattans is bound to the physical universe and the laws of relativity (The silver surfer can accelerate to faster than light speed). Dr. Manhattan could possibly disintegrate the silver surfer with a touch, but the silver surfer could absorb Dr. Manhattan indefinitely. It's all about who gets the first shot There are of course vastly more powerful beings than those two. VoirDire, your list is very incomplete - there are many more characters and levels than those you listed. I would advise you to take a look at the rankings ComicVine compiled for both Marvel and DC, they are quite well done (although one can always argue about the specifics).
Could you provide a link to the rankings?
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On September 11 2011 04:33 VoirDire wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2011 04:20 kwizach wrote:On September 11 2011 04:07 VoirDire wrote:On September 11 2011 03:50 SkelA wrote:On September 11 2011 03:39 kwizach wrote:On September 11 2011 02:26 Geo.Rion wrote:On September 11 2011 00:55 kwizach wrote:
I don't get why so many people are mentioning Dr. Manhattan as the strongest superhero. He would get smoked by a ton of superheroes from both Marvel and DC. how exactly? he's like indistructable and can do anything. Ofc, Flash and Hulk are totally OP and broken but without the possibility to go in outter space, i ll remain with Dr. Manhatten. Dr. Manhattan is nowhere near omnipotent. The Silver Surfer alone would wreck him. How do you wreck Dr. Manhattan when he is immortal and most powerful being in the universe. The worst that he can do is a draw. I still cant beleive Goku is winning the poll They aren't a part of the same universe. Manhattan is part of the DC/Vertigo universe and the Silver surfer is part of the marvel universe. I'd say that the silver surfer is more powerful as Dr. Manhattans is bound to the physical universe and the laws of relativity (The silver surfer can accelerate to faster than light speed). Dr. Manhattan could possibly disintegrate the silver surfer with a touch, but the silver surfer could absorb Dr. Manhattan indefinitely. It's all about who gets the first shot There are of course vastly more powerful beings than those two. VoirDire, your list is very incomplete - there are many more characters and levels than those you listed. I would advise you to take a look at the rankings ComicVine compiled for both Marvel and DC, they are quite well done (although one can always argue about the specifics). Could you provide a link to the rankings?
Marvel
DC
Neither ranking is the definitive version since changes have been made to both to make them more accurate, but I haven't been able to find the best versions yet. Still, these two are useful to get a good picture of the various power levels.
edit: for example, the beginning of the ranking for Marvel should probably look more like this:
+ Show Spoiler +Tier 1 : 1st Class Beyond
The One-Above-All
Pre-Retcon Beyonder
Thanos with the Heart of the Universe
Protege
Pre-Retcon Molecule Man
Living Tribunal
Tier 2 : 2nd Class Beyond
Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet
Nebula with the Infinity Gauntlet
Magus with the Infinity Gauntlet
Tier 3 : 1st Class Multiversal Abstract or Scale
Eternity
Infinity
Death
Oblivion
The Phoenix Force
The Alien Entity
Infiniti IG Nemesis
Genesis ( Sise-Neg)
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DC's "The Presence" and Marvel's "One-Above-All" are the Judeo-Christian Gods of their respective universe. They are never seen, and they certainly aren't heroes, so they don't count.
That also goes for beings like The Spectre, Death, Infinity, The Living Tribunal, Galactus, ect as these beings are all neutral. Thanos with the Heart of the Universe was the most powerful being outside of the Gods in any comic ever, IMO. However he is a villain so he doesn't count either.
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On September 11 2011 04:35 kwizach wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2011 04:33 VoirDire wrote:On September 11 2011 04:20 kwizach wrote:On September 11 2011 04:07 VoirDire wrote:On September 11 2011 03:50 SkelA wrote:On September 11 2011 03:39 kwizach wrote:On September 11 2011 02:26 Geo.Rion wrote:On September 11 2011 00:55 kwizach wrote:
I don't get why so many people are mentioning Dr. Manhattan as the strongest superhero. He would get smoked by a ton of superheroes from both Marvel and DC. how exactly? he's like indistructable and can do anything. Ofc, Flash and Hulk are totally OP and broken but without the possibility to go in outter space, i ll remain with Dr. Manhatten. Dr. Manhattan is nowhere near omnipotent. The Silver Surfer alone would wreck him. How do you wreck Dr. Manhattan when he is immortal and most powerful being in the universe. The worst that he can do is a draw. I still cant beleive Goku is winning the poll They aren't a part of the same universe. Manhattan is part of the DC/Vertigo universe and the Silver surfer is part of the marvel universe. I'd say that the silver surfer is more powerful as Dr. Manhattans is bound to the physical universe and the laws of relativity (The silver surfer can accelerate to faster than light speed). Dr. Manhattan could possibly disintegrate the silver surfer with a touch, but the silver surfer could absorb Dr. Manhattan indefinitely. It's all about who gets the first shot There are of course vastly more powerful beings than those two. VoirDire, your list is very incomplete - there are many more characters and levels than those you listed. I would advise you to take a look at the rankings ComicVine compiled for both Marvel and DC, they are quite well done (although one can always argue about the specifics). Could you provide a link to the rankings? MarvelDCNeither ranking is the definitive version since changes have been made to both to make them more accurate, but I haven't been able to find the best versions yet. Still, these two are useful to get a good picture of the various power levels. edit: for example, the beginning of the ranking for Marvel should probably look more like this: + Show Spoiler +Tier 1 : 1st Class Beyond
The One-Above-All
Pre-Retcon Beyonder
Thanos with the Heart of the Universe
Protege
Pre-Retcon Molecule Man
Living Tribunal
Tier 2 : 2nd Class Beyond
Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet
Nebula with the Infinity Gauntlet
Magus with the Infinity Gauntlet
Tier 3 : 1st Class Multiversal Abstract or Scale
Eternity
Infinity
Death
Oblivion
The Phoenix Force
The Alien Entity
Infiniti IG Nemesis
Genesis ( Sise-Neg)
Wow, that's some ambitious lists. But I'm not sure it's useful to make so many tiers as their powers aren't defined.
I agree with your list though. It's similar to mine.
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gosh you all know goku is not the strongest warrior at the end of dragonball z right? gohan is. uub is potentially stronger than goku but hasn't yet realized his powers so Goku would probably place second.
goku is the strongest at the end of GT though but GT isn't like "canon" or whatever.
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On September 11 2011 04:35 kwizach wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2011 04:33 VoirDire wrote:On September 11 2011 04:20 kwizach wrote:On September 11 2011 04:07 VoirDire wrote:On September 11 2011 03:50 SkelA wrote:On September 11 2011 03:39 kwizach wrote:On September 11 2011 02:26 Geo.Rion wrote:On September 11 2011 00:55 kwizach wrote:
I don't get why so many people are mentioning Dr. Manhattan as the strongest superhero. He would get smoked by a ton of superheroes from both Marvel and DC. how exactly? he's like indistructable and can do anything. Ofc, Flash and Hulk are totally OP and broken but without the possibility to go in outter space, i ll remain with Dr. Manhatten. Dr. Manhattan is nowhere near omnipotent. The Silver Surfer alone would wreck him. How do you wreck Dr. Manhattan when he is immortal and most powerful being in the universe. The worst that he can do is a draw. I still cant beleive Goku is winning the poll They aren't a part of the same universe. Manhattan is part of the DC/Vertigo universe and the Silver surfer is part of the marvel universe. I'd say that the silver surfer is more powerful as Dr. Manhattans is bound to the physical universe and the laws of relativity (The silver surfer can accelerate to faster than light speed). Dr. Manhattan could possibly disintegrate the silver surfer with a touch, but the silver surfer could absorb Dr. Manhattan indefinitely. It's all about who gets the first shot There are of course vastly more powerful beings than those two. VoirDire, your list is very incomplete - there are many more characters and levels than those you listed. I would advise you to take a look at the rankings ComicVine compiled for both Marvel and DC, they are quite well done (although one can always argue about the specifics). Could you provide a link to the rankings? MarvelDCNeither ranking is the definitive version since changes have been made to both to make them more accurate, but I haven't been able to find the best versions yet. Still, these two are useful to get a good picture of the various power levels. edit: for example, the beginning of the ranking for Marvel should probably look more like this: + Show Spoiler +Tier 1 : 1st Class Beyond
The One-Above-All
Pre-Retcon Beyonder
Thanos with the Heart of the Universe
Protege
Pre-Retcon Molecule Man
Living Tribunal
Tier 2 : 2nd Class Beyond
Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet
Nebula with the Infinity Gauntlet
Magus with the Infinity Gauntlet
Tier 3 : 1st Class Multiversal Abstract or Scale
Eternity
Infinity
Death
Oblivion
The Phoenix Force
The Alien Entity
Infiniti IG Nemesis
Genesis ( Sise-Neg)
What the fuck, i ve never hard of any of them, are there really in the comics/cartoons or are just shit made up for hardcore geeks to drool over?
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At first glance Dr. Manhattan looks like a solid choice, until you remember the movie where he actually states he might not be able to get all the nukes before they hit the US. AKA he has limitations.
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On September 11 2011 05:36 Desirous wrote:
At first glance Dr. Manhattan looks like a solid choice, until you remember the movie where he actually states he might not be able to get all the nukes before they hit the US. AKA he has limitations.
yes, and in the same movie later on he goes godmode.
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On September 11 2011 05:04 Geo.Rion wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2011 04:35 kwizach wrote:On September 11 2011 04:33 VoirDire wrote:On September 11 2011 04:20 kwizach wrote:On September 11 2011 04:07 VoirDire wrote:On September 11 2011 03:50 SkelA wrote:On September 11 2011 03:39 kwizach wrote:On September 11 2011 02:26 Geo.Rion wrote:On September 11 2011 00:55 kwizach wrote:
I don't get why so many people are mentioning Dr. Manhattan as the strongest superhero. He would get smoked by a ton of superheroes from both Marvel and DC. how exactly? he's like indistructable and can do anything. Ofc, Flash and Hulk are totally OP and broken but without the possibility to go in outter space, i ll remain with Dr. Manhatten. Dr. Manhattan is nowhere near omnipotent. The Silver Surfer alone would wreck him. How do you wreck Dr. Manhattan when he is immortal and most powerful being in the universe. The worst that he can do is a draw. I still cant beleive Goku is winning the poll They aren't a part of the same universe. Manhattan is part of the DC/Vertigo universe and the Silver surfer is part of the marvel universe. I'd say that the silver surfer is more powerful as Dr. Manhattans is bound to the physical universe and the laws of relativity (The silver surfer can accelerate to faster than light speed). Dr. Manhattan could possibly disintegrate the silver surfer with a touch, but the silver surfer could absorb Dr. Manhattan indefinitely. It's all about who gets the first shot There are of course vastly more powerful beings than those two. VoirDire, your list is very incomplete - there are many more characters and levels than those you listed. I would advise you to take a look at the rankings ComicVine compiled for both Marvel and DC, they are quite well done (although one can always argue about the specifics). Could you provide a link to the rankings? MarvelDCNeither ranking is the definitive version since changes have been made to both to make them more accurate, but I haven't been able to find the best versions yet. Still, these two are useful to get a good picture of the various power levels. edit: for example, the beginning of the ranking for Marvel should probably look more like this: + Show Spoiler +Tier 1 : 1st Class Beyond
The One-Above-All
Pre-Retcon Beyonder
Thanos with the Heart of the Universe
Protege
Pre-Retcon Molecule Man
Living Tribunal
Tier 2 : 2nd Class Beyond
Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet
Nebula with the Infinity Gauntlet
Magus with the Infinity Gauntlet
Tier 3 : 1st Class Multiversal Abstract or Scale
Eternity
Infinity
Death
Oblivion
The Phoenix Force
The Alien Entity
Infiniti IG Nemesis
Genesis ( Sise-Neg) What the fuck, i ve never hard of any of them, are there really in the comics/cartoons or are just shit made up for hardcore geeks to drool over?
haha #2 me too
I was just scanning through the Marvel list to see some familiar names and the first one I probably know was Odin and that guy is Tier 11(!!) as elder god, I mean wtf
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1) Kharne the betrayer
2) The Emprah!
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On September 11 2011 05:04 Geo.Rion wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2011 04:35 kwizach wrote:On September 11 2011 04:33 VoirDire wrote:On September 11 2011 04:20 kwizach wrote:On September 11 2011 04:07 VoirDire wrote:On September 11 2011 03:50 SkelA wrote:On September 11 2011 03:39 kwizach wrote:On September 11 2011 02:26 Geo.Rion wrote:On September 11 2011 00:55 kwizach wrote:
I don't get why so many people are mentioning Dr. Manhattan as the strongest superhero. He would get smoked by a ton of superheroes from both Marvel and DC. how exactly? he's like indistructable and can do anything. Ofc, Flash and Hulk are totally OP and broken but without the possibility to go in outter space, i ll remain with Dr. Manhatten. Dr. Manhattan is nowhere near omnipotent. The Silver Surfer alone would wreck him. How do you wreck Dr. Manhattan when he is immortal and most powerful being in the universe. The worst that he can do is a draw. I still cant beleive Goku is winning the poll They aren't a part of the same universe. Manhattan is part of the DC/Vertigo universe and the Silver surfer is part of the marvel universe. I'd say that the silver surfer is more powerful as Dr. Manhattans is bound to the physical universe and the laws of relativity (The silver surfer can accelerate to faster than light speed). Dr. Manhattan could possibly disintegrate the silver surfer with a touch, but the silver surfer could absorb Dr. Manhattan indefinitely. It's all about who gets the first shot There are of course vastly more powerful beings than those two. VoirDire, your list is very incomplete - there are many more characters and levels than those you listed. I would advise you to take a look at the rankings ComicVine compiled for both Marvel and DC, they are quite well done (although one can always argue about the specifics). Could you provide a link to the rankings? MarvelDCNeither ranking is the definitive version since changes have been made to both to make them more accurate, but I haven't been able to find the best versions yet. Still, these two are useful to get a good picture of the various power levels. edit: for example, the beginning of the ranking for Marvel should probably look more like this: + Show Spoiler +Tier 1 : 1st Class Beyond
The One-Above-All
Pre-Retcon Beyonder
Thanos with the Heart of the Universe
Protege
Pre-Retcon Molecule Man
Living Tribunal
Tier 2 : 2nd Class Beyond
Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet
Nebula with the Infinity Gauntlet
Magus with the Infinity Gauntlet
Tier 3 : 1st Class Multiversal Abstract or Scale
Eternity
Infinity
Death
Oblivion
The Phoenix Force
The Alien Entity
Infiniti IG Nemesis
Genesis ( Sise-Neg) What the fuck, i ve never hard of any of them, are there really in the comics/cartoons or are just shit made up for hardcore geeks to drool over?
They are in the comics, most of the people that you are familiar with are lower tier because the higher tiers dont have anything interesting happen to them, I mean, when you're one-above-all or living tribunal, you really dont have any villains going against you, so no storyline, most of the stuff are abstract, every time someone dies, death is there, but you dont really see them personified.
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1) deadpool
2) Aquaman obvs
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On September 10 2011 04:36 hrmM wrote:
I think Batman has been proven to be capable of beating Superman. Superman is the best in raw strength and super powers, but Batman has the intelligence to beat it.
You know your shit sir, Batman is the best
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On September 11 2011 05:04 Geo.Rion wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2011 04:35 kwizach wrote:On September 11 2011 04:33 VoirDire wrote:On September 11 2011 04:20 kwizach wrote:On September 11 2011 04:07 VoirDire wrote:On September 11 2011 03:50 SkelA wrote:On September 11 2011 03:39 kwizach wrote:On September 11 2011 02:26 Geo.Rion wrote:On September 11 2011 00:55 kwizach wrote:
I don't get why so many people are mentioning Dr. Manhattan as the strongest superhero. He would get smoked by a ton of superheroes from both Marvel and DC. how exactly? he's like indistructable and can do anything. Ofc, Flash and Hulk are totally OP and broken but without the possibility to go in outter space, i ll remain with Dr. Manhatten. Dr. Manhattan is nowhere near omnipotent. The Silver Surfer alone would wreck him. How do you wreck Dr. Manhattan when he is immortal and most powerful being in the universe. The worst that he can do is a draw. I still cant beleive Goku is winning the poll They aren't a part of the same universe. Manhattan is part of the DC/Vertigo universe and the Silver surfer is part of the marvel universe. I'd say that the silver surfer is more powerful as Dr. Manhattans is bound to the physical universe and the laws of relativity (The silver surfer can accelerate to faster than light speed). Dr. Manhattan could possibly disintegrate the silver surfer with a touch, but the silver surfer could absorb Dr. Manhattan indefinitely. It's all about who gets the first shot There are of course vastly more powerful beings than those two. VoirDire, your list is very incomplete - there are many more characters and levels than those you listed. I would advise you to take a look at the rankings ComicVine compiled for both Marvel and DC, they are quite well done (although one can always argue about the specifics). Could you provide a link to the rankings? MarvelDCNeither ranking is the definitive version since changes have been made to both to make them more accurate, but I haven't been able to find the best versions yet. Still, these two are useful to get a good picture of the various power levels. edit: for example, the beginning of the ranking for Marvel should probably look more like this: + Show Spoiler +Tier 1 : 1st Class Beyond
The One-Above-All
Pre-Retcon Beyonder
Thanos with the Heart of the Universe
Protege
Pre-Retcon Molecule Man
Living Tribunal
Tier 2 : 2nd Class Beyond
Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet
Nebula with the Infinity Gauntlet
Magus with the Infinity Gauntlet
Tier 3 : 1st Class Multiversal Abstract or Scale
Eternity
Infinity
Death
Oblivion
The Phoenix Force
The Alien Entity
Infiniti IG Nemesis
Genesis ( Sise-Neg) What the fuck, i ve never hard of any of them, are there really in the comics/cartoons or are just shit made up for hardcore geeks to drool over?
LOL my thoughts exactly... wtf is this?
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On September 11 2011 08:24 MuATaran wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2011 04:36 hrmM wrote:
I think Batman has been proven to be capable of beating Superman. Superman is the best in raw strength and super powers, but Batman has the intelligence to beat it. You know your shit sir, Batman is the best
Only one problem with the intelligence argument: Superman possessed super genius-level intelligence and an eidetic memory (average people from Krypton already had genius level intelligence—they learned calculus at ten or eleven years). These enhanced mental capabilities were a direct result of his exposure to a yellow sun. Superman also possessed the mental ability to screen out the enormous amount of information received by his enhanced senses and to focus on a single detail such as a particular voice or location.
Not to mention Superman travels at the speed of light, even if Batman has kryptonite how is he going to win when Superman can keep his distance and shoot heat beams at super high speeds? He has tons of options to beat Batman kryptonite or not.
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