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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
On September 13 2011 09:23 Pillage wrote: Maybe it hasn't occurred to you, but paying MORE money into a system that wastes billions of dollars it is not a good idea at all. Waste of the magnitude which government produces is simply unacceptable, if a business tried to cut corners like this they would be clobbered by their competitors. You should also look at the list of organizations that have donated the most money to political campaigns, you will find that unions like the AFL-CIO have donated far more since 1990 than almost all major corporations. SOURCE You'll find that number 2 on this list is a union composed of PUBLIC workers so guess what? That means our tax dollars are being rerouted into campaign funds, which is just downright wrong considering that money should be paid solely to workers for the individual services that they perform, and nothing else. We've reached a point where taxing more will only encourage more waste, because welfare is handed out far too liberally. If someone doesn't need government aid they've been given, it's waste by definition. There is more than enough money being brought in right now to pay for programs that are much more airtight and selective than the ones we currently have. Until the government gets its shit together regarding wasteful spending I will not support any tax increases whatsoever. So sorry If I hold my standards for government accountability higher than most people on here, who won't see half their paycheck vanish every year when the tax man comes knocking. Because once I have everything set up the way I want it, that's what is going to be happening. If you got a problem with that, consider how you would feel if you had half the money you made taken from you . Maybe then you'll see what I'm getting at here. EDIT: Revised a little of the post and fixed some formatting. First of all, all you say is that government wastes billions. Yes, government wastes billions, but so do private institutions. I still don't understand why you're saying that a government that wastes is the fault of one party or the other. >.> I'm also not understanding why you keep saying that Republicans aren't so bad, because while Democrats don't take seriously entitlement reform, Republicans don't take seriously the idea of tax reform. Both parties (and at the moment Republicans) are both guilty of not being able to recognize how to fix the actual problems in the country. Let's remember also that the Supreme Court allowed corporations to donate campaign financing, which is hugely supported by most people on the right. Yes, people on the left have supporters, but the overwhelming support that corporations hand their money to, are those on the right. The argument goes both ways. So once again, all I'm saying is that both parties are at fault for taking in massive donations. Your source can say one thing, but others sources (like this year for 2012) can say [link=http://www.opensecrets.org/overview/topcontribs.php]another[/link]. Edit: this debate still makes me sad. It's better, but I don't like it. Edit 2: On the topic of welfare reform, there isn't a single Republican plan that is appealing IN THE SLIGHTEST about welfare reform. Yes, welfare requires reform, but not in the way that many conservatives are proposing. Let's remember that while government does waste money, it's also important to remember that government in the last fifty or so years, has done many things right. | ||
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RandomAccount#49059
United States2140 Posts
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Senorcuidado
United States700 Posts
and lol @ Herman Cain's answer about driving down the costs of health care. "repeal obamacare" lolwut? it's obamacare's fault that health care costs are high? | ||
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Elegy
United States1629 Posts
Accusing Perry of taking bribes from drug companies on stage? Really? | ||
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jon arbuckle
Canada443 Posts
Rick Perry: cannot be bought for $5000. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On September 13 2011 10:15 Elegy wrote: Oh dear Bachmann...what have you done lol.... Accusing Perry of taking bribes from drug companies on stage? Really? She went down on flames for that one. Perry's retort was flawless. | ||
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jon arbuckle
Canada443 Posts
On September 13 2011 10:17 xDaunt wrote: She went down on flames for that one. Perry's retort was flawless. "I think we did a lot of things in Texas. I am against cancer and Texas is the most pro-life state." A+ | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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Supamang
United States2298 Posts
Crowd: "YEAH!!!!" | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On September 13 2011 10:19 jon arbuckle wrote: "I think we did a lot of things in Texas. I am against cancer and Texas is the most pro-life state." A+ I was referring to the "If you think that I can be bought for $5,000, then I am truly offended." (or something like that). | ||
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Elegy
United States1629 Posts
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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
First, Medicare and Medicaid. Yes, these things are wasteful and on the road to disaster. But let's remember that because of these organizations, poverty decreased, seniors gained coverage more than ever before, and the average lifespan of Americans increased. You can debate all you want about reform, but the fact is that Medicare and Medicaid were crucial developments in the expansion of American healthcare. Second, Social Security. Unlike those programs, Social Security will continue to pay full benefits for another few decades. The problems of Social Security are not because it's a wasteful program, but instead, because of high unemployment rates, the longer lifespan of people living in this country, and not enough taxes being paid. You can argue that the stimulus worked as intended (I think in many ways, the stimulus did work). And of course there are so many things in this country that we take for granted: A federal postal service. The Federal Aviation Administration. Pell Grants! Oh god, Pell Grants. Where would so many students be without those student grants? Seriously, government has done a lot for people. I don't think we should be giving it so much slack. >.> | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On September 13 2011 10:20 Elegy wrote: Ron Paul doesn't want to flat out say the guy should die. It's not popular to say it, but he's absolutely right. People should bear their own risks. | ||
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RandomAccount#49059
United States2140 Posts
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Sadist
United States7328 Posts
Sad. | ||
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Supamang
United States2298 Posts
On September 13 2011 10:21 xDaunt wrote: It's not popular to say it, but he's absolutely right. People should bear their own risks. Im pretty liberal, but I agree. I like the idea of the government looking after people who need help, but only if people do their best to look after themselves first though it is pretty cold hearted of the crowd to be cheering at the idea of letting someone die | ||
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jon arbuckle
Canada443 Posts
Bachmann is literally campaigning for Tea Party martyrdom. Edit: Cancer is not predictable, especially if you repeal the EPA and FDA and saturate the environment and edible products with whoknowswhat. And that's just one example. Are you "you should take care of yourself" guys literally fourteen years old? | ||
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cyberspace
Canada955 Posts
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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
On September 13 2011 10:21 xDaunt wrote: It's not popular to say it, but he's absolutely right. People should bear their own risks. I agree that people should bear their own risks, but I don't think that bearing risks also entails the ultimate cost for something as logical as not getting health insurance because you don't need it at a young age like 30. I hold some reservations about that. | ||
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